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It Hurts Me To See Hinduism Going The Way Of Radical Islam

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Let's not be totally dismissive of hindu religion. This RSS hindu extremism is very modern according to my knowledge. There is element of tolerance in Hinduism which tolerated Muslim presence before all those Muslim conquests. Sufism flourished in India because it was tolerated by Hindus. RSS is like a 100 years old.
I think this modern anti-Muslim hate (all Muslims are terrorists) in India is imported from West. And some inferiority stricken Hindus use it to relate with Westerners. Islamophobia is what Hindu extremists think binds them with westerners. And extremism is general is very common in todays worlds. In every part of the world you will find extremists, in Muslim lands, in Europe, even in Buddhism. Its mainstream ideology in India now, it will take decades for India to become normal again.
 
wtff 12000bc lol

Vedics back in the Paleolithic Age, when primitive stone tools were being developed. Never underestimate the stupidity of these Hindutvas :lol:

It IS a Land of Hindus, we only need to RECLAIM it back from the converts.

Hinduism is a foreign religion of the invading Aryans. Real sons of Bharatvarsha Desh practice Dravidian/Munda folk religion 8-)
 
Hinduism is a foreign religion of the invading Aryans. Real sons of Bharatvarsha Desh practice Dravidian/Munda folk religion 8-)

lol....whatever floats your boat pakistani..... now shoo. Take a hike.
 
Let's not be totally dismissive of hindu religion. This RSS hindu extremism is very modern according to my knowledge. There is element of tolerance in Hinduism which tolerated Muslim presence before all those Muslim conquests. Sufism flourished in India because it was tolerated by Hindus. RSS is like a 100 years old.
I think this modern anti-Muslim hate (all Muslims are terrorists) in India is imported from West. And some inferiority stricken Hindus use it to relate with Westerners. Islamophobia is what Hindu extremists think binds them with westerners. And extremism is general is very common in todays worlds. In every part of the world you will find extremists, in Muslim lands, in Europe, even in Buddhism. Its mainstream ideology in India now, it will take decades for India to become normal again.

At the rate India is going over the past three years, India does not have decades.

India can already by classified as a crypto-fascist state.

The RSS knows the importance of time.

They have to push. But just short of breaking point.

Because if breaking point comes before complete saffronization, then they lose control.

And become combatants. Equally exposed.

The opposition knows that as well.

2019 can be very close or very far away. Depending on who you are and how things are turning.
 
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There is nothing called Hindu radicalization but a strong reaction to fundamentalism bigotism, hatred and violence of muslims in India.
 
Your rhetorical demagoguery may work like a charm with the semi-educated mass that forms your party's loyal support base. It just doesn't happen to cut it with anyone else.

My rhetorical demagoguery works as a charm ? One could say you were perhaps describing yourself .I don't have to live up to or live down your expectations of me.I also am under no obligation to declare / accept what you think may or may not be part of my belief system except to declare resolutely as a citizen of this land my absolute faith and trust in the Indian constitution and the institutions engendered by it entrusted with upholding it and safe guarding it . Only that should matter as far as establishing ones credentials go , for in its absence , this debate doesn't hold any merit.

About the report, without reading it you are in no position to have a debate about constitutional rights vis-a-vis religion. I know you think that clever-sounding arguments made on the spur are good enough to deal with anything, but unless you know what exactly our constitution says about religious rights, you are ignorant about the matter - your knowledge of dubious texts notwithstanding. Do not engage with me by throwing laymen questions about legal issues and expect to be taken seriously.

The texts you refer to as dubious happen to be held sacred by millions .F y.i. I'm agnostic .
While you may hold the view that all wisdom today is original and the result of the struggle largely in the western world of establishing a secular democratic state over the church and later over monarchy with indivudual human rights receiving paramount status enshrined in the constitutions of such states with the independent judiciary being the guarantor of such rights , you're by and large right and that's your prerogative .

It certainly doesn't construe that what we've inherited vide our culture ,tradition and that of the texts (of any religion) is redundant just because they're ancient and which to you may seem anachronistic .It's in the realms of personal belief in a representative , liberal , democratic and might I add a secular state much before the latter was incorporated as an amendment to our constitution to have the preamble read as such .

As I remarked before , you seem to be under the impression that the certification or lack of it by the US Congress on religious freedom in India seems to be a touchstone to you .Not many share in India share your yardsticks except perhaps organizations which have such oxmoronic names as Catholic Secular Forums who depose before the Congress thereby laying more faith in such institutions than your own .
You seem another card holding member of such esteemed organizations .

This is a fora for laymen and specialists alike .So, if you seem to labour under the impression that any special knowledge of a subject renders you superior to the rest and gives you a sense of entitlement in choosing your opponents and the views to contest you're in the wrong fora.Your command over the said subject matter would perhaps serve you in better stead were you to engage in its practise in a court of law to upholding those very principles whose debasement you seem to be lamenting out here .

As for what @Levina wrote and my response to it, it has a context that you are clearly unaware of. In 1995, the Supreme Court in Dr. Ramesh Yeshwant Prabhoo pronounced as obiter dictum that Hindutva is not a religion but a way of life, something that has become an albatross around our collective necks, and the basis for many false claims. So while I am impressed by your elementary knowledge of debating tactics and logical fallacies, it was totally misplaced.

Unaware not uninformed coz you just now bring it up.
We were debating Hinduism not Hindutva .Shifting goal posts again .If the courts pronouncement of Hindutva as a way of life is your mote in the eye to the orbiter dicta , (notwithstanding that it's an observation not legally binding as a legal precedent ) the very same constitution you seem to have little faith in , guaranteed by our judiciary offers you a solution - you can file a review petition in the SC .

As for your conclusion about being a Hindu-baiter, I am non-religious and bait all religions equally. It just so happens that the idiocy in front of me at the moment is Hindu by description.

Do not conflate Hinduism for Hindutva - the former is as much a personal belief system as a way of life , has , is and will always be so - without having any court pronounce on it ,the latter a politico religious ideology , the courts orbiter dicta notwithstanding .

It is really easy to throw arguments at people, bit unless you show the ability to read detailed reports and critique them on merit, you deserve no further response. I hope we are clear on that.

I do not lay stock in reports by foreign legislative bodies on the state of affairs of my nation for I have full faith in the institutions of our land .Those that seek to question the legitimacy of our institutions on the basis of such reports are unnecessarily giving a handle to such nations to wield unnecessary political influence in our internal affairs apart from undermining the trust and sanctity such state institutions as ours ought to receive - something I'm vehemently opposed to.

Whether you choose to respond to my posts or not is your prerogative but impressively crafted posts with half truths , misinformed summations , needless conflations ,general whataboutery and constant Shifting of goal posts will be contested in a public fora.Deal with it .
 
This is my last try to explain to you why Saudi Arabia prohibits Hinduism.

Except it doesn't. End of conversation. You have any problems, then refer to my earlier answers. I care not about your idols. You can worship ram freely in your house without an Idol in Saudi Arabia. You can bring your statue in any other Muslim country. Suck it up. Your points are invalid because no Muslim country bans freedom of religion. At all.
 
At the rate India is going over the past three years, India does not have decades.

India can already by classified as a crypto-fascist state.

The RSS knows the importance of time.

They have to push. But just short of breaking point.

Because if breaking point comes before complete saffronization, then they lose control.

And become combatants. Equally exposed.

The opposition knows that as well.

2019 can be very close or very far away. Depending on who you are and how things are turning.
There seems to be no political opposition to Hindu extremism it seems, I heard even Rajiv Gandhi called for "Hindu raj" in India. There is no counter narrative against "Muslims butchered Hindus during Mughal period/they are foreigners/...".
Anyways I am more interested in what traditionalist Hindus say about this modern virulent form of Hinduism. Don't they find it alien? I think religious and staunch "traditionalist" Hindus can be effective in fighting against Hindu extremism.
 
Except it doesn't. End of conversation. You have any problems, then refer to my earlier answers. I care not about your idols. You can worship ram freely in your house without an Idol in Saudi Arabia. You can bring your statue in any other Muslim country. Suck it up. Your points are invalid because no Muslim country bans freedom of religion. At all.
You don't need to give them any temple. All they do is create noise and make the place dirty. Don't let them make your clean country dirty
 
There seems to be no political opposition to Hindu extremism it seems, I heard even Rajiv Gandhi called for "Hindu raj" in India. There is no counter narrative against "Muslims butchered Hindus during Mughal period/they are foreigners/...".
Anyways I am more interested in what traditionalist Hindus say about this modern virulent form of Hinduism. Don't they find it alien? I think religious and staunch "traditionalist" Hindus can be effective in fighting against Hindu extremism.

I'm not Hindu. So I'll let the Hindus speak.

Though as everywhere, the rabid have hijacked the discourse.
 
You don't need to give them any temple. All they do is create noise and make the place dirty. Don't let them make your clean country dirty

Says an Indian muslim who expects , no , make that demands equal treatment under the Indian Constitution .

Merely re in forces the feeling in most lay Sanatan Dharmis why the Sangh is necessary evil .
 
Says an Indian muslim who expects , no , make that demands equal treatment under the Indian Constitution .

Merely re in forces the feeling in most lay Sanatan Dharmis why the Sangh is necessary evil .
Don't need any equal treatment. You are majority so declare hindu rashtra whatever you want. And no I don't want any naked sadhu or kumb mela type dirty culture pervading Muslim countries. Keep it confined here. Forgive me for that :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:
 
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