Israel's ongoing occupation of the West Bank: Updates and Discussions

[Falcon29]

1 KILLED, POLICE CARS SET ON FIRE IN RIOTS IN ARAB-ISRAELI CITY

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/1-...-on-fire-in-riots-in-Arab-Israeli-town-494969

Arab 'citizens' of Israel sure enjoying life in Israel. They are treated very well it appears, just like the case with the bediouns....

 

[Gothic]

Arab 'citizens' of Israel sure enjoying life in Israel. They are treated very well it appears, just like the case with the bediouns....

don't mistake my views brother , i'm not anti-arab ! you'd find the religious iranians like the ones on this forum are much much more anti-arab , only with an islamic disguise ! it's the arabs who hate me not the other way , i went to russia last year and i found myself gang stalked by arabs there , same thing happened to me in turkey

 

[Falcon29]

don't mistake my views brother , i'm not anti-arab ! you'd find the religious iranians like the ones on this forum are much much more anti-arab , only with an islamic disguise ! it's the arabs who hate me not the other way , i went to russia last year and i found myself gang stalked by arabs there , same thing happened to me in turkey

Lol, not referring to you bro, I'm referring to Bedouins in Israel who had a major clash with the Israeli police back a couple years ago. It just shows the public how good these Palestinians under Israeli rule have it ....

 

[Gothic]

Lol, not referring to you bro, I'm referring to Bedouins in Israel who had a major clash with the Israeli police back a couple years ago. It just shows the public how good these Palestinians under Israeli rule have it ....

Trust me , you'd find no iranian citizen more anti-israeli and more pro-arab than me , at least not on this forum , i've been mistreated by jews in canada so i have a reason for my anti-semtic beliefs .

 

[Saif al-Arab]

don't mistake my views brother , i'm not anti-arab ! you'd find the religious iranians like the ones on this forum are much much more anti-arab , only with an islamic disguise ! it's the arabs who hate me not the other way , i went to russia last year and i found myself gang stalked by arabs there , same thing happened to me in turkey

I don't want to hijack this excellent and much needed thread @Falcon29 but allow me to reply to this post.

The average Arab (regardless of nationality) and the average Iranian (regardless of ethnicity) do not really have any problems when they are based in the West (where they interact and do business) or in the Middle East. I don't know why you are writing such things. Are you even aware of the fact that the GCC next door hosts the second largest Iranian diaspora (Iranian Arabs, Persians, Lur and Baloch) in the world after the one in the US? A sizable percentage of Southern Iranians and Western Iranians and people in the GCC (Eastern Arabian mainly) have had ancient kinship ties, millennia old trade, population movements etc. The problem is between regimes not ordinary people.

 

[Gothic]

I don't want to hijack this excellent and much needed thread @Falcon29 but allow me to reply to this post.

The average Arab (regardless of nationality) and the average Iranian (regardless of ethnicity) do not really have any problems when they are based in the West (where they interact and do business) or in the Middle East. I don't know why you are writing such things. Are you even aware of the fact that the GCC next door hosts the second largest Iranian diaspora (Iranian Arabs, Persians, Lur and Baloch) in the world after the one in the US? A sizable percentage of Southern Iranians and Western Iranians and people in the GCC (Eastern Arabian mainly) have had ancient kinship ties, millennia old trade, population movements etc. The problem is between regimes not ordinary people.

well maybe you get my point later in life .. i don't know , but i repeat what i said : the so called 'islamic' iranians who try to dazzle you with their shia' zeal and whatnot , are the ones who hate arabs the most .. specially people like you who probably have money .. you see they don't hate the egyptians , they hate you ! i myself was called an arab by some torks from northern iran just because i'm a southerner and i happen to be better off financially , so obviously i know what it's all about ! the same sorts of people who go online and campaign for a "persian gulf" cause they think they are supposedly trolling , have you ever seen someone like me crying for persian gulf ? the shah era nationalists with their retarded anti-arab ego simply don't exist anymore ! and their place have been taken by non other the IR fanboys !!

It's sad what happens in palestine , i myself was abused by jews in cananda and i know well how it's like to deal with jews , not just one jew but tons of jews ..

 

[Solomon2]

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My Jewish and Palestinian Students Visited Yad Vashem Together
JULY 17, 2017, 7:11 PM

I took my Jewish students on a joint trip with Palestinian students to Yad Vashem and we learned more about our future together than our past. Recently, Jamal, a new friend of mine, invited me to take my Jewish students along with his Palestinian students as they visited Yad Vashem for the first time. After we toured the museum, we all sat around together on the grass outside of the museum and shared our thoughts and pizza with each other.

Many assumptions my students and I had going in were reversed.

While I never thought Palestinians looked up to Israeli soldiers, I couldn’t imagine the vitriol that colored their view of them. After viewing images of the Holocaust and learning about the atrocities the Nazis perpetrated on the Jews, one Palestinian teen couldn’t understand how just a short time ago the Jews suffered so much and were now afflicting this same suffering on others. Before being offended, remember, this wasn’t a talking point, this was an honest shared feeling by a Palestinian teen. It was his view of how he was being treated by Israel and its soldiers. Thankfully, instead of acting indignant, my students asked why he felt that way, and he explained how scary Israelis were to him. The Israelis he encountered had guns, were well trained, and were constantly raiding his village. It made no difference whether they were justified or not, Israelis are scary. While he was talking we realized we looked at Palestinians with the same suspicion. Terrorist or not-yet-terrorist? The “Other” was a real and scary fantasy. Yet the fear is more reflective of misconception than reality.

Palestinians aspire for dignity more than liberty. Palestinians feel a deep need for dignity, much more so than the Western ideal of liberty. The students feel a loss of dignity when they pass through Israeli security for everything in their lives. Even a peace trip to Yad Vashem required a permit from Israeli authorities. I was amazed to see how much personal dignity meant to the Palestinians, and how much we’ve taken it from them. Whether our security steps are justified or not, when hearing Palestinians express their hurt, it opened our eyes to their feelings.

I was told that if I was going to post pictures of the get-together to social media, I’d have to cover the Palestinian participants’ faces so they aren’t put in danger at home. That spoke volumes to me. As Jews, we are proud to extend an olive branch to Palestinians. I can publish this essay and expect my community to thank and congratulate me on leading my students on a path of peace. The Palestinians were being put in mortal danger just by attending. What did that say about their community’s desire for peace and the chances of us achieving it? While the day was uplifting, this was a disheartening realization.

My biggest takeaway from the trip was concluding that Israelis and Palestinians can get along on a grassroots level. While leaders sign agreements, people create peace. I have lost faith in the political and lifelong negotiations with maps, borders, water plans and refugee solutions. That is the old and failed 30 plus year path. It’s time to bring in the new. I am an optimist and I believe that if Israelis and Palestinians got to know each other as people and not “the other,” peace could happen organically. Yes, we’d still need borders, security and water sharing plans, but those are the logistical necessities, not the building blocks of peace. Most importantly, my generation is too old and set in or ways to achieve peace. We need to put our children in a place where they are so familiar with Israelis and Palestinians, that there is no scary “Other.”

Peace can happen, but only if we don’t wait for others to make it happen.

Uri Pilichowski Rabbi Uri Pilichowski is a Rebbe at Yeshivat Migdal Hatorah in Modi'in. As a teacher, author and speaker, he teaches Torah and Politics, where he specifically emphasizes rational thought and conceptual analysis.

My biggest takeaway from the trip was concluding that Israelis and Palestinians can get along on a grassroots level. While leaders sign agreements, people create peace.

Ben-Gurion reached the same stumbling block nearly a hundred years ago, when after a political defeat in the early days of the Mandate an Arab acquaintance of his remarked, "As your friend I mourn, but as a member of my people I rejoice." (Will double-check w/source later.)

 

[Gothic]

An Israeli Christian killed his daughter because of her love for a Muslim, police say

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...r-a-muslim-police-say/?utm_term=.55bb413217b1



On the day after her high school graduation party, Henriette Karra, 17, confided in a relative her plans to become a Muslim for her boyfriend.

Karra, an Arab Israeli, knew that her Christian family in Ramle, a city in central Israel, would be furious. Her parents had made it clear during Henriette’s year of dating her Muslim boyfriend, also an Arab Israeli, that they considered the relationship a shame to the family.

They allegedly beat and threatened her in an attempt to break up the relationship, prompting her to report the violence to police, the Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported.

Her boyfriend was in prison at the time, but was scheduled to get out at the end of the week. On June 13, she told her relative of her plans to be with him. The relative then called her father, telling him Henriette’s intentions.

Then, on that same day, police found Henriette dead in her parent’s kitchen, with multiple stab wounds in her neck.

 

[jewishm]

well maybe you get my point later in life .. i don't know , but i repeat what i said : the so called 'islamic' iranians who try to dazzle you with their shia' zeal and whatnot , are the ones who hate arabs the most .. specially people like you who probably have money .. you see they don't hate the egyptians , they hate you ! i myself was called an arab by some torks from northern iran just because i'm a southerner and i happen to be better off financially , so obviously i know what it's all about ! the same sorts of people who go online and campaign for a "persian gulf" cause they think they are supposedly trolling , have you ever seen someone like me crying for persian gulf ? the shah era nationalists with their retarded anti-arab ego simply don't exist anymore ! and their place have been taken by non other the IR fanboys !!



It's sad what happens in palestine , i myself was abused by jews in cananda and i know well how it's like to deal with jews , not just one jew but tons of jews ..

lol what these jews did to you

 

[Solomon2]

Israeli courts to let Palestinians sue Palestinian Authority for torture

Fifty-one Palestinians tortured by the Palestinian Authority for cooperating with Israel can sue the PA in Israeli courts for damages, the Jerusalem District Court ruled Wednesday in a blockbuster judgement.

The 1,860-page ruling based on dozens of witness accounts over several years is one of the most bizarre in years as it involves Palestinian citizens coming before the courts of the Israeli "occupation" seeking justice for their mistreatment by their own PA law enforcement.

Eight Palestinians were disqualified from receiving damages when the court ruled that they had been involved in common crimes and their treatment was a local Palestinian issue.

But the majority of the group, represented by West Bank resident and Israeli lawyer Menachem Kornvich, will appear in court hearings on the amount of damages they seek. Meanwhile, a team of Israeli lawyers, including Yosef and Yehonatan Arnon, try to knock out the damages on behalf of the PA.

 

[Solomon2]

Oppression of Palestinians by the Israelis must be really bad that even a Palestinian cancer patient is willing to fight the Israelis physically. How depressing.

If Israeli "oppression" was the primary cause then the P.A. and Hamas wouldn't be so concerned with providing pay and benefits to those who attempt to or succeed at killing Jewish civilians; it's a pay-to-slay operation.

PMW exclusive: Huge increase in PA terror funding in 2017
by Itamar Marcus
July 19, 2017

Huge increase in PA terror funding in 2017

• PA increases spending by 13% for salaries to terrorist prisoners and by 4% for payments to families of terrorist "Martyrs"
• Direct terror funding expenditures by the PA now reach 1.237 billion shekels or $355 million in 2017

Below, for your convenience, are two PMW charts depicting PA terror funding in 2017


Itamar Marcus

The PA has publicized its budget for 2017, which includes how much it will be spending on salaries to terrorist prisoners and to families of terrorist "Martyrs." Ignoring demands to stop rewarding terror by the United States, EU countries, Israel and many others, the PA in 2017 is actually increasing significantly these outlays. The PA expenditure for salaries to terrorist prisoners has risen by a huge 13%, from 488 million shekels ($135 million) in 2016 to 550 million shekels ($158 million), and the expenditure for payments to families of "Martyrs" has gone up by 4% from 660 million shekels ($183 million) to 687 million shekels ($197 million). In 2017, the PA's total expenditure for directly funding terror is 1.237 billion shekels or $355 million.
The following are two charts graphically depicting these two aspects of the Palestinian Authority’s terror funding in 2017:

 

[Falcon29]

Israeli bill aimed at preventing Jerusalem's division passes reading in Knesset

BETHLEHEM (Ma’an) -- A bill aimed at preventing any future divisions of Jerusalem, by requiring a two-third majority in Israel’s parliament in order to do so, passed its preliminary reading in the Knesset on Wednesday.

The bill, titled "Basic Law: Jerusalem, the Capital of Israel," passed with 58 Members of Knesset (MKs) voting in favor, 48 voting against it, and one MK abstaining from the vote, according to a statement released by the Knesset.

The bill aims to mend Israel’s Basic Law on Jerusalem to necessitate the approval of 80 of the 120 Knesset members to make any changes to the law, instead of the regular majority vote.

According to the statement, the proposal explains that the bill has a “security purpose.”

“Since the IDF’s withdrawal from Lebanon [in 2000] and the disengagement from the Gaza Strip [in 2005] proved that wherever Israel withdraws from, terrorist factors enter, threatening the security of citizens of Israel,” the bill reportedly states, insinuating that if Israel withdrew from occupied East Jerusalem, it would be taken over by “terrorist” factions.

MK Shuli Moalem-Refaeli from the ultra right Jewish Home party, who had submitted the bill along with a group of other MKs, said that the bill was meant “to protect Jerusalem, the eternal capital of the Israeli People.”

“The State of Israel will not allow the establishment of a Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital. Get it into your heads that Jerusalem will remain the capital of the Jewish People for eternity; 3,000 years after King David established Jerusalem as the capital of the [Jewish] People, we returned to it,” she added.

The fate of Jerusalem has been a focal point of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict for decades, with numerous tensions arising over Israeli threats regarding the status of non-Jewish religious sites in the city, and the "Judaization" of East Jerusalem through settlement construction and mass demolitions of Palestinian homes.

Right-wing Israeli leaders routinely claim that Jerusalem is the "eternal capital" of Israel. However, this claim is not supported by the international community, which still largely considers occupied East Jerusalem to be an integral part of a future Palestinian state.
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https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=778211

 

[Gothic]

Palestinian teen nabbed in clashes in east Joruselam

https://www.google.com/search?q=pal...me&ie=UTF-8#q=palestinian+teen+killed&tbm=nws

Israel bars Muslim men under 50 amid protests

the israeli army like old palestinian men