Israelli oppression of an occupied people

[ambersjay]

The tread was about the plight of Palestininas.........
And what is wrong with posting proof? No one was advocating a killing or revenge spree.

I see looking at the last sentence of your post. you sure have a way with implications. Anyway, ( its all good) alcohol is haraam ( forbidden) and practicing muslims would surely be offended if someone threw it on them.

These people are getting humiliated( millions of them) for past 6 decades. You have to remember that as well.
There are plenty of inflaming topic/threads on this forum.; Unless you just joined, everyone should know that.

In any case I am free to post what i want & none has to agree with it. I can live with that!

i am quite aware the sufferings of palestinians...i am not fond of jewish arrogance myself.they are an intelligent lot,but still living in the shadows of holocaust (living in a hostile neighbourhood doesnt help)..and extremely arrogant .but having said that,one cant ignore the ill reputation muslims (irrespective of good or bad) have earned worldover thanks to terrorism.now it is upto muslims only to fix it and establish islam as a religion of peace as it was supposed to be.as they say ..two wrongs dont make one right.extremism in reply to humiliation and torture isnt right either.

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

i am quite aware the sufferings of palestinians...i am not fond of jewish arrogance myself.they are an intelligent lot,but still living in the shadows of holocaust (living in a hostile neighbourhood doesnt help)..and extremely arrogant .but having said that,one cant ignore the ill reputation muslims (irrespective of good or bad) have earned worldover thanks to terrorism.now it is upto muslims only to fix it and establish islam as a religion of peace as it was supposed to be.as they say ..two wrongs dont make one right.extremism in reply to humiliation and torture isnt right either.

AB, I can live with this kind of reply, regardless if I agreed with it or not. I am sure you get the idea!

 

[Developereo]

Muse,

We agree on many things and you know my views on Saudi influence in Pakistan, but on this one I have to agree with atmi_chuza. He clearly said "A Jewish man", not "Jews", so he wasn't generalizing.

I am sure you also care for Palestinian suffering, so I am not sure why you equate caring for Palestinians with being an Islamist. Heck, there are even Orthodox Jews who oppose Israel: Jews Not Zionists

Also, as others have said, pointing out one act of bigotry does not mean you somehow condone other bigots. I have spoken out against Muslim extremism and the treatment of minorities in Pakistan, but I am still 100% behind people who highlight abuse of Palestinians.

Btw it is easy to post such images to get an emotional reaction:
[Islam: religion of peace]

This particular picture would indeed qualify as spreading hate.
Against Islam.
Through generalization.
Because, unlike the atmi_chuza who said "A Jewish man", this picture claims to define all of Islam.

In any case, please see the following video (starting around 8'20) for an interesting observation about this picture:

i am quite aware the sufferings of palestinians...i am not fond of jewish arrogance myself.they are an intelligent lot,but still living in the shadows of holocaust (living in a hostile neighbourhood doesnt help)..and extremely arrogant .but having said that,one cant ignore the ill reputation muslims (irrespective of good or bad) have earned worldover thanks to terrorism.now it is upto muslims only to fix it and establish islam as a religion of peace as it was supposed to be.as they say ..two wrongs dont make one right.extremism in reply to humiliation and torture isnt right either.

You seem to have swallowed the Zionist propaganda hook, line and sinker.

Yes, the Jews have been oppressed for centuries, yes they had to endure the Holocaust, and yes they lived in Israel 2000 years ago, but none of these things -- in fact all these things combined -- do not justify the humiliation, eviction or murder of even a single Palestinian from their home to make room for Jews.

Israel is an illegal land grab, and Zionism is racism dressed up as self-determination through a global media PR campaign.

 

[ambersjay]

Muse,

We agree on many things and you know my views on Saudi influence in Pakistan, but on this one I have to agree with atmi_chuza. He clearly said "A Jewish man", not "Jews", so he wasn't generalizing.

I am sure you also care for Palestinian suffering, so I am not sure why you equate caring for Palestinians with being an Islamist. Heck, there are even Orthodox Jews who oppose Israel: Jews Not Zionists

Also, as others have said, pointing out one act of bigotry does not mean you somehow condone other bigots. I have spoken out against Muslim extremism and the treatment of minorities in Pakistan, but I am still 100% behind people who highlight abuse of Palestinians.



This particular picture would indeed qualify as spreading hate.
Against Islam.
Through generalization.
Because, unlike the atmi_chuza who said "A Jewish man", this picture claims to define all of Islam.

In any case, please see the following video (starting around 8'20) for an interesting observation about this picture:
SYCv-OxIKcU[/media] - The Arrivals Part 16 THE ARRIVALS



You seem to have swallowed the Zionist propaganda hook, line and sinker.

Yes, the Jews have been oppressed for centuries, yes they had to endure the Holocaust, and yes they lived in Israel 2000 years ago, but none of these things -- in fact all these things combined -- do not justify the humiliation, eviction or murder of even a single Palestinian from their home to make room for Jews.

Israel is an illegal land grab, and Zionism is racism dressed up as self-determination through a global media PR campaign.

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i never said its justified for jews to go on a killing spree in palestine.the oppression palestine is facing is horrible to say the least.however, you have to understand their psyche to know why they behave the way they do.the holocaust is still more or less fresh in their mind...and the insecurity of living in a hostile environment,the fear of losing the little piece of land they have has made them merciless in their approach to deal with the arab nations.again,this is not a justification for whatever they are doing ,but thats just the way things are!

as far as illegal land grab is concerned, like most other problems on the face of the earth, USA and europe is to blame for.after the holocaust,the jews should have been given a land in europe to create a nation for themselv rather than dumping them into some faraway desert.

 

[SecularHumanist]

This particular picture would indeed qualify as spreading hate.
Against Islam.
Through generalization.
Because, unlike the atmi_chuza who said "A Jewish man", this picture claims to define all of Islam.

He didn't say "A Jewish man" in the first post. He just posted an image. I could argue that atmi_chuza was generalizing the jews by using one such image. It is but obvious what the intentions of this thread were-- to continue the animosity and hate against jews and propagate something along the lines of "jews are enemies of Islam and hate muslims." And guess what........one member actually reacted in the way that was desired.

 

[Awesome]

If you zoom into that guy's hands there's no glass or flask where is that wine splash coming from?

Seems like photoshopped.

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

He didn't say "A Jewish man" in the first post. He just posted an image. I could argue that atmi_chuza was generalizing the jews by using one such image. It is but obvious what the intentions of this thread were-- to continue the animosity and hate against jews and propagate something along the lines of "jews are enemies of Islam and hate muslims." And guess what........one member actually reacted in the way that was desired.

Pls get a new eye doctor. The post had the caption.
As for the rest, hey you are free to fell however you wish!
I will continue to expose their atrocities as I deem fit.
I am sure our members are not violent so the idea is
that we remember our brothers & sisters first & foremost
and pray for the alleviation of their pain & suffering
that they have so long endured.

I am a muslim foremost then anything else so feel free to
label people like us as you wish & accuse us of agenda
that is supposedly counter to yours.

It is sad to see though, that you did not condemn your pal, muse's insulting name calling , racist attitude among other things.

Pls try to live by your own rules. Condemn what is wrong and across the board. If you pick N choose then you are indeed a lota.

Plenty of people in this thread have chosen not to misconstrue my post & that is good enough for me!

If you feel that I have an agenda then so be it. I am not accountable to your your buddies!

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

If you zoom into that guy's hands there's no glass or flask where is that wine splash coming from?

Seems like photoshopped.

Your are right. Both pics in the post are fake!

 

[Awesome]

On a second look, there really is a glass, its a plastic cup hence hard to see.

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

Let us all bash NYT for being racist, inciting violence ( no idea how many jews got killed in the US over this) & being jew hater.
Fervent Believers - The New York Times > World > Slide Show > Slide 6 of 10
The picture was emailed to me by a Palestinian friend today so I put it up but as you can see NYT showed it to a lot more people than I did.

Too bad , Asim I had to link a gora link to quash your doubt.
SH, M, & A dude, pls email your protest to NYT forthwith.
you do have to sign up but what is a bit of an effort to register
your concerns.

One last question: How many non muslims died,detained, abused, profiled
since last week?
and how many muslims have perished, detained, abused, profiled
since last week?

 

[muse]

Develepero


I'm sorry I missed your earlier post and I realize that you see yourself as asympathizer with palestinians, but this thread has nothing to do with that issue - my take on the issue is per my response to Righteous who asked for an explanation of my earlier post, Iam highlighting or bolding the relevent points :


righteous

Why thank you for asking and I'd be delighted to help you understand.

This forum has many members who are bigots, in particular they are religious bigots and in particular, their method is to highlight grievances and to present these as civilizational grievances. Take the instance of the photo presented in the lead of the thread - note that it is not a vandal and a woman, these two characters in the scene are presented primarily as two religions with one uncivil to the other.

This was therefore an attempt to generate a emotional response from people who know nothing other than what the person who posted the photo said it meant.

You will note my comment about the poster being sad, about me being sad and about all of us being sad - why? because as you note the responses you will note the emotional responses to scene, about which you know nothing other than what the poster whats you know. You may enjoy that kind of manipulation, I think it's, well.., sad.

After all, you will have realized if you do the search and I hope you will show the courage of conviction to do so, of how many masajid were attacked, how many terror attacks, how many sectarian attacks, and just in Pakistan, and just during Ramazan -- and I would then invite you to consider whether allowing someone to play with your emotions to generate even more hatred is what you want to allow to be done to you.

And just between you and me, these Pakrabs rub me the wrong way

 

[DaRk WaVe]

This is really sad.................Esp. during the month of Ramadan.

What can she except been humiliated, what u ppl want them to do, no homes, no education, no food, no medicine, all we have is CHAOS,
ADDICTED TO CHAOS to be precise

HOME destroyed, what else she must do except praying & crying, or u want her to become like this

or become like this

 

[muse]

Emo

No pictures of Israeli suffering? No thought about what pakistani soldiers wouldbe going through seeing someone in a Burkha approaching them? any thought of pakistani soldiers asking kids to remove their chaddar because they might be confronted with a suicide bomber?

That your heart bleeds only shows your emotions, that it bleeds for all sides may show your humanity.

 

[duhastmish]

was that camera man waiting n ready for this guy to throw the wine on that woman ?????

seems fishy to me - looks more liek a propaganda and spreading hate.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Emo

No pictures of Israeli suffering? No thought about what pakistani soldiers wouldbe going through seeing someone in a Burkha approaching them? any thought of pakistani soldiers asking kids to remove their chaddar because they might be confronted with a suicide bomber?

That your heart bleeds only shows your emotions, that it bleeds for all sides may show your humanity.

Yes there are pictures of Israeli suffering as well, the killings by Hamas as well, reamins of Israelis after suicide bombs, if u want them do tell me
Yes I rember Lal Majid coz it happened in front of me & i know about 12 year old suicide bomber caught in NWFP...
My heart dont bleeds just coz of Muslim suffering or Pakistani suffering, my heart bleeds when i see blood, be headed bodies, be heading Videos released by Iraqis, Israelis sniping children in Gaza, WP trashed bodies..
Blood is there is every human isn't it, is blood so cheap that its flowing & been wasted like Sh@t?? Muslim Blood , Christan Blood, Jew Blood, Indian Blood, Pakistani blood, Chinese Blood. Blood & blood that's what we Humans are left to see in this world
Is bleeding any one JUSTIFIED? No it isn't
If bleeding others is the way out then by now Humanity wud have solved all its problems...
If u want to say that ppl just see one side of picture then ur wrong, every one knows the other side of picture its just that 'they don't want to think & talk about it' simple as that, coz if we want to see evil what WE need to do is take a look in the mirror...