thank you for starting the thread, i was thinking of doing the same
Now to give it a religious color seems to me to be fishing for an emotional response and in particular to evoke religious hatred.
to me there was no religious colour imputed, it was explicitly there was it not?
i assume you live in the uk, now imagine if that happened in the uk, how would the police treat it? it would be a religiously motivated crime would it not?
Secondly the "snap shot" offer us no context -- in fact the only context some have been ready to buy into is just as you have offered
this is true, there is no larger context, but there are certain details that hint to something, you can accuse me of being simplistic but this is israel, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then.....
, a "Jew", not a delinquent, but a Jew - it's like saying that at a police station you see a criminal being processed and you say, a "black" criminal.
true again, but then read something in the british press, almost every crime whether it be rape, theft, murder or fraud is attributed the muslim epithet if it can be squeezed in, in that regard a atmosphere of hostility has been created to engage in a tit for tat, not the most productive thing but i can see where it stems from and i would attack both cases of jew and muslim, but it only ever seems to be muslim.
was bernie madhoff described as the fraudulent jew billionaire?
ask the same question if it happened to be a muslim billionaire.
how does one control or respond such a bias? many respond with a tit for tat.
i also note that you do not hesitate in quantifying peoples actions here as those of religious extremism and nothing else, but take issue with this jew scenario, so there exists a contradiction.
also note another point, you are on a defence forum, this is a very specific kind of forum that will attract a person with a specific interest, its par for the course to have somewhat biased propagandised news, this is the case for alot of similar forums.
a Pakrab is a Pakistani who imagines himself an Arab. Now, it's all fine to imagine one's self as anything one may want, just as it is fine to describe it. So that's what a Pakrab is.
i am still confused as to what criteria qualify one as imagining oneself as an arab?
is it just about taking a stance regarding israel?
I'm delighted you can see this and wonder why you have chosen to ignore this when describing the "snap shot"?? It would be interesting to read your explanation
because from my estimation there is an enormous amount of hatred between jews/arabs in israel and there have been many many isolated cases of jews attacking arabs in israel that its hard not to think along those lines, plus i find it dubious to accept that the person did not know that throwing wine at a muslim women would cause a specific type of offence, so in a sense i am privvy to more than a snapshot, i refer you back to the scenario of a muslim attacking a hindu.
4. Indeed it ought to be "discussed" whenever the opportunity arises, however; the "snap shot came with the posters comments that it was sad that this was happening during Ramadan - to which I added why was it not sad or at least not sad enough for the Chose to comment on the suicide bombings and terror attacks on masajid by Muslims?? Would you say evoking religious hatred is the same as discussion?? It would be interesting to read your comments about that as well.
well firstly you are assuming that the poster who made the reference about ramzan actually has any sympathies with the said suicide bombers, i dont know, do you?
secondly, i dont see the issue in relating to a women being abused during ramzan, i am not saying it automatically carries extra weight or outrage but i dont see the big deal, i feel for her aswell, because i have a mother, aunties, sisters fasting and i know how that would hurt them.
Quite possibly, I did not judge it as positive or negative but as good and bad - What was going on was the spreading of hatred, in particular of religious hatred - now that is OK for some, I take exception to it and I particularly take exception to it when Ramadan is used to further a political and hateful point of view.
true enough, there is an element of religious hatred, but then you should take the issue up with specific posters rather than blaze comments about large chunks of people on here which provoke a hostile response in return.
i dont agree its immediately hateful with bringing the ramzan twist into it, that might be how some people relate to it.
Muse i feel you are also falling in trap of fake egoistic notions which the hardliners, as well as neo-liberals harbour in their head.
