Israeli sources: Iran missile strike a ‘flop,’ with most missing target

[raptor22]

Instead you take whatever the Jerusalem Post as gospel. Much better, right?

Does Zolfaghar missiles enjoy capability of being fired from under ground silos? 'cause as far as I know on one hand we've seen Qiam missiles were fired in recent missile strike against ISIS in Syria which due its finless shape it could be mobilized and fired from silos and almost all available launchers easily but it ain't as precise as Zolfaghar with much bigger CEP .... I mean how could we have both features in one missile ?

 

[Blue In Green]

I am not advocating believing one source over another. I also would like to know how well IRI's missiles performed. As of right now we have 2 sources: IRIGC/PressTV and Israeli MOD/press, with diametrically opposing conclusions. I have no access to objective post-operation analysis and won't believe anyone on this thread, specially Iranians who behave as though questioning IRI's claims is a direct insult to them. My position is that if the missiles performed poorly, then IRI's claims of missile prowess is just another smoke and mirrors, and a sad day for Iranians who have spent so much blood and treasure to get nothing in return, and have been lied to by their military leaders. If on the other hand the missiles performed greatly then that's the testament to IRI's engineering achievement. But until then, I remain skeptical, regardless of what some bunch or IRI's stooges say on this thread.

A quick question then I'll ask another just to get your opinion, off topic. I (as you might know) am an American 110% (born and raised in the states) born of two Iranian parents. I don't (never did) like the clerics and the stringent religious rules required for those who want to become a part of the ruling class in Iran. Overall religion is ok but forcing it on EVERY person whether they like it or not becomes an issue.

So since we touched basis on that. What has the IRGC done to you that makes you dislike them as much as you do to where you completely disregard nearly everything they say and or do? Iran has been since their revolution (caused by US/Israeli/UK interests) seeking out an sovereign existence for themselves. All they do and have done to the US is justified per the rules of reciprocity. We sanctioned, kill their civilians (both the Air plane attack and helped Saddam gas their citizens) made Iran to be some sort of reincarnation or the third-reich, and the Israelis have tarnished or tried to tarnish the proud Persian heritage. So all of the things they've done in return are justified. Bombing the marines in Iraq and Lebanon are very small to what we did to them. Hezbollah in Lebanon is not a terrorist organization (The Russian don't think so as do many other states and governments), they only wan't to protect Lebanon from Israeli expansion (in which they've succeeded thus far). And Iran building ballistic missiles is completely within their rights to do so within the frame work of national defense.

To me as an American, Iran is more than a worthy adversary (They're probably one of the best enemies you could have). One that is cunning and just as smart as us even more so in some areas.

Your comment of "smoke and mirrors" is none applicable given this recent strike. The footage (drone footage) shows other wise. I agree with you in the fact that Iran does boast a bit too much when it comes to its indigenous military products (I'm right there with you on the reality/believability on their claims). But missiles is their strong suite. I'll be the first to admit when I'm wrong if the Israelis do in fact show us HIGH quality satellite pictures of the before and after of the strikes, proving their statements but until then the counter argument is from a shoddy government (Israel) known for lying un multiple occasions (Iraq WMDS, Iran nukes, so on and so forth).

I will close by saying don't view this as me shilling out for the IRGC or the clerics ruling system in Iran. I know the crimes they did and continue to do.

 

[Arminkh]

I am not advocating believing one source over another. I also would like to know how well IRI's missiles performed. As of right now we have 2 sources: IRIGC/PressTV and Israeli MOD/press, with diametrically opposing conclusions. I have no access to objective post-operation analysis and won't believe anyone on this thread, specially Iranians who behave as though questioning IRI's claims is a direct insult to them. My position is that if the missiles performed poorly, then IRI's claims of missile prowess is just another smoke and mirrors, and a sad day for Iranians who have spent so much blood and treasure to get nothing in return, and have been lied to by their military leaders. If on the other hand the missiles performed greatly then that's the testament to IRI's engineering achievement. But until then, I remain skeptical, regardless of what some bunch or IRI's stooges say on this thread.

I see you gained back control of your account. Welcome back.

Ok, so you say the operation could be a failure or it may be not as accurate as it should have been? Then:

- Could you please explain why would IRGC share the footage of a failed operation? Let's remember it is all the evidence that is currently available.

- How the hell does Israel, or you or anyone else for that matter know where the target was to then determine whether the missiles indeed missed it? IRGC and only IRGC is the one who knew which target they wanted to hit.

- Did you have the same skepticism when US fired those 50-60 missiles at Syrian base regarding their accuracy? Or you just took their word that they hit everything they were supposed to as only they knew what they wanted to hit? I for one expected to see a much bigger destruction after an air base is attacked with such massive number of missiles. And I definitely didn't expect jets to be able to fly off the same base the day after the attack. But they did. However, nobody dares to question the claims of almighty US, right? When they say they hit what they wanted, then they sure have, correct?

Putting all of the above together, I think the issues is clear. You and Israel and rest of the gang are just being you, trying to reinforce your belief and presumption that Iran doesn't have the capacity of surgical long distance strike or any other valuable military capacity for that matter, and we are being who we are believing in what we are and what we can become.

 

[VEVAK]

Does Zolfaghar missiles enjoy capability of being fired from under ground silos? 'cause as far as I know on one hand we've seen Qiam missiles were fired in recent missile strike against ISIS in Syria which due its finless shape it could be mobilized and fired from silos and almost all available launchers easily but it ain't as precise as Zolfaghar with much bigger CEP .... I mean how could we have both features in one missile ?

Fatteh-110 & Zolfaghar are Tactical battlefield missiles with a fairly limited range so you need them to be as mobile as possible!
I'm sure Iran has fixed location but they are likely hidden and are likely fixed for specific targets ready to go in the shortest possible time so they are most defiantly NOT location where Iran would use unless in real war situation.

 

[AmirPatriot]

Does Zolfaghar missiles enjoy capability of being fired from under ground silos? 'cause as far as I know on one hand we've seen Qiam missiles were fired in recent missile strike against ISIS in Syria which due its finless shape it could be mobilized and fired from silos and almost all available launchers easily but it ain't as precise as Zolfaghar with much bigger CEP .... I mean how could we have both features in one missile ?

As VEVAK already said, Zolfaqar is a TBM and mobility is favoured compared to strategic missiles.

In any case, Zolfaqar is not launched vertically so a silo would not be suitable for it.

 

[Kastor]

All very true and sound commentaries about Israeli lies and deception. It's fair game when your at war with someone. Maybe not openly but believe me we are at war with Israel and Saudi Arabia, make no mistake about it. With that said I'd like to remind people (if I may speak for most Iranians here), we don't use hateful language against Jews, we have Jews in Iran and they are welcomed and repersented. What we oppose is Zionism, the same Zionism that has covertly declared war on us. Now carry on....

 

[WordsMatter]

A quick question then I'll ask another just to get your opinion, off topic. I (as you might know) am an American 110% (born and raised in the states) born of two Iranian parents. I don't (never did) like the clerics and the stringent religious rules required for those who want to become a part of the ruling class in Iran. Overall religion is ok but forcing it on EVERY person whether they like it or not becomes an issue.

So since we touched basis on that. What has the IRGC done to you that makes you dislike them as much as you do to where you completely disregard nearly everything they say and or do? Iran has been since their revolution (caused by US/Israeli/UK interests) seeking out an sovereign existence for themselves. All they do and have done to the US is justified per the rules of reciprocity. We sanctioned, kill their civilians (both the Air plane attack and helped Saddam gas their citizens) made Iran to be some sort of reincarnation or the third-reich, and the Israelis have tarnished or tried to tarnish the proud Persian heritage. So all of the things they've done in return are justified. Bombing the marines in Iraq and Lebanon are very small to what we did to them. Hezbollah in Lebanon is not a terrorist organization (The Russian don't think so as do many other states and governments), they only wan't to protect Lebanon from Israeli expansion (in which they've succeeded thus far). And Iran building ballistic missiles is completely within their rights to do so within the frame work of national defense.

To me as an American, Iran is more than a worthy adversary (They're probably one of the best enemies you could have). One that is cunning and just as smart as us even more so in some areas.

Your comment of "smoke and mirrors" is none applicable given this recent strike. The footage (drone footage) shows other wise. I agree with you in the fact that Iran does boast a bit too much when it comes to its indigenous military products (I'm right there with you on the reality/believability on their claims). But missiles is their strong suite. I'll be the first to admit when I'm wrong if the Israelis do in fact show us HIGH quality satellite pictures of the before and after of the strikes, proving their statements but until then the counter argument is from a shoddy government (Israel) known for lying un multiple occasions (Iraq WMDS, Iran nukes, so on and so forth).

I will close by saying don't view this as me shilling out for the IRGC or the clerics ruling system in Iran. I know the crimes they did and continue to do.

I am not sure whether this response will be deleted because it will be deemed off-topic but here's my response:

I also am of Iranian descent. I have plenty of problems with IRI and IRIGC. I don't believe their claims until and unless they can be verified independently; and yes by western observers, I might add.

IRIGC is more than a military force: along with the Basij, it's an enterprise, and a private one. It's primary objective is to safeguard IRI, as headed by a clergy (Velayat-e Faghih). IRI is not the same as Iran after all. Thus my first problem: when IRIGC takes a position, say suppressing the "Green movement" (you can argue it was the Basij but, closing down IMK airport, or arresting dissidents, is it protecting Iran or their own interests? I have no doubt that during the Iran-Iraq war IRIGC served Iran honorably. But that was a long time ago and IRIGC has become a different beast altogether since then. I am not advocating regime change, that's an issue that Iranians will have to decide for themselves; I don't live in Iran.

IRIGC receives a huge share of Iran's wealth and always boasts about its latest achievements, such as indigenous this or that, or the latest 5th generation fighter jet, etc. All of these undertakings take precious resources and that would be fine if these "projects" did result in some measurable and verifiable success. But when push comes to shove all we have seen is this: IRIGC, at the end of the day, remains a private internal suppression force, extremely well equipped to use disproportionate force against Iranian civilians.

Does US Air force run any businesses? I don't think so, unless someone on this thread knows otherwise. America's armed forces pledge loyalty to US constitution, not an individual. And that's my other problem with IRIGC: pledge of loyalty to Velayat, not Iran or Iranian constitution. The current head of IRIGC is famous for kissing the feet of current Velayat every time they meet. If that's not problematic to people, then...

Again, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, IRIGC is an enterprise with vast business dealings in Iran and elsewhere. And I don't trust a private money making army. At some point IRIGC's interest will, and has, diverged from that of Iranian people.

I see you gained back control of your account. Welcome back.

Ok, so you say the operation could be a failure or it may be not as accurate as it should have been? Then:

- Could you please explain why would IRGC share the footage of a failed operation? Let's remember it is all the evidence that is currently available.

- How the hell does Israel, or you or anyone else for that matter know where the target was to then determine whether the missiles indeed missed it? IRGC and only IRGC is the one who knew which target they wanted to hit.

- Did you have the same skepticism when US fired those 50-60 missiles at Syrian base regarding their accuracy? Or you just took their word that they hit everything they were supposed to as only they knew what they wanted to hit? I for one expected to see a much bigger destruction after an air base is attacked with such massive number of missiles. And I definitely didn't expect jets to be able to fly off the same base the day after the attack. But they did. However, nobody dares to question the claims of almighty US, right? When they say they hit what they wanted, then they sure have, correct?

Putting all of the above together, I think the issues is clear. You and Israel and rest of the gang are just being you, trying to reinforce your belief and presumption that Iran doesn't have the capacity of surgical long distance strike or any other valuable military capacity for that matter, and we are being who we are believing in what we are and what we can become.

Listen, don't be a SA. My account was never hacked.

I don't know the answer to your first question.
Second question: Just like IRI, Israel has intelligence gathering operations; Israel could have used data censors to put together 1 and 1 and conclude it does not add up to 2. I don't know whether it does add up or not, thus my earlier statement that I would like to see independent verification of post-operation data.
3rd question: No I did not. This is the first attempt by IRI with this kind of operation. As soon as IRI establishes a successful pattern I am sure there will be less skeptics and skepticism.
Last comment: Yes I am being me: skeptical. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Blue In Green]

I am not sure whether this response will be deleted because it will be deemed off-topic but here's my response:

I also am of Iranian descent. I have plenty of problems with IRI and IRIGC. I don't believe their claims until and unless they can be verified independently; and yes by western observers, I might add.

IRIGC is more than a military force: along with the Basij, it's an enterprise, and a private one. It's primary objective is to safeguard IRI, as headed by a clergy (Velayat-e Faghih). IRI is not the same as Iran after all. Thus my first problem: when IRIGC takes a position, say suppressing the "Green movement" (you can argue it was the Basij but, closing down IMK airport, or arresting dissidents, is it protecting Iran or their own interests? I have no doubt that during the Iran-Iraq war IRIGC served Iran honorably. But that was a long time ago and IRIGC has become a different beast altogether since then. I am not advocating regime change, that's an issue that Iranians will have to decide for themselves; I don't live in Iran.

IRIGC receives a huge share of Iran's wealth and always boasts about its latest achievements, such as indigenous this or that, or the latest 5th generation fighter jet, etc. All of these undertakings take precious resources and that would be fine if these "projects" did result in some measurable and verifiable success. But when push comes to shove all we have seen is this: IRIGC, at the end of the day, remains a private internal suppression force, extremely well equipped to use disproportionate force against Iranian civilians.

Does US Air force run any businesses? I don't think so, unless someone on this thread knows otherwise. America's armed forces pledge loyalty to US constitution, not an individual. And that's my other problem with IRIGC: pledge of loyalty to Velayat, not Iran or Iranian constitution. The current head of IRIGC is famous for kissing the feet of current Velayat every time they meet. If that's not problematic to people, then...

Again, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, IRIGC is an enterprise with vast business dealings in Iran and elsewhere. And I don't trust a private money making army. At some point IRIGC's interest will, and has, diverged from that of Iranian people.


Listen, don't be a SA. My account was never hacked.

I don't know the answer to your first question.
Second question: Just like IRI, Israel has intelligence gathering operations; Israel could have used data censors to put together 1 and 1 and conclude it does not add up to 2. I don't know whether it does add up or not, thus my earlier statement that I would like to see independent verification of post-operation data.
3rd question: No I did not. This is the first attempt by IRI with this kind of operation. As soon as IRI establishes a successful pattern I am sure there will be less skeptics and skepticism.
Last comment: Yes I am being me: skeptical. Nothing wrong with that.

Very well put and sensible. I guess I will re-evaluate my take on the IRGC and Iran as a whole as well. Your points are very solid.

Just a question (you don't have to answer if you don't want to lol). When you say "Iranian Descent" do you mean that both of your parents are Iranian or one of them are, or is there Iranian heritage in your family?

 

[Arminkh]

Listen, don't be a SA. My account was never hacked.

I don't know the answer to your first question.
Second question: Just like IRI, Israel has intelligence gathering operations; Israel could have used data censors to put together 1 and 1 and conclude it does not add up to 2. I don't know whether it does add up or not, thus my earlier statement that I would like to see independent verification of post-operation data.
3rd question: No I did not. This is the first attempt by IRI with this kind of operation. As soon as IRI establishes a successful pattern I am sure there will be less skeptics and skepticism.
Last comment: Yes I am being me: skeptical. Nothing wrong with that.

That was a sarcasm hinting that as an observer, your behavior is not consistent.

Ok, then maybe you should think about my first question.

My second question: there is no way for anyone to know which building Iran wanted to hit. Maybe it didn't want to hit any building at all. Maybe what they wanted to hit was in the open space and thousand other possibilities. This is a very big assumption to think Israel knew exactly what Iran knew and then they were able to simulate how Iran's military leaders would make a decision based on that and then decide which targets they would choose to attack. And even if they knew all that, and didn't share it with US, which allegedly is fighting ISIS, doesn't that put Israel in a rather peculiar position in all this? And if they shared it with US, why didn't US that is always comfortable attacking Iran's allies or drones in places it shouldn't didn't do anything about it? There is too much inconsistencies in your theory. And again you are being you and I am being me.

My third question: That is called being biased, which we already knew.

And last comment, skeptical is to put it mildly, your comments about our football team was the only positive comments you ever posted on this site about Iran. There is nothing wrong with that but you don't need to remind us each and every time there is a new event.

I am not sure whether this response will be deleted because it will be deemed off-topic but here's my response:

I also am of Iranian descent. I have plenty of problems with IRI and IRIGC. I don't believe their claims until and unless they can be verified independently; and yes by western observers, I might add.

IRIGC is more than a military force: along with the Basij, it's an enterprise, and a private one. It's primary objective is to safeguard IRI, as headed by a clergy (Velayat-e Faghih). IRI is not the same as Iran after all. Thus my first problem: when IRIGC takes a position, say suppressing the "Green movement" (you can argue it was the Basij but, closing down IMK airport, or arresting dissidents, is it protecting Iran or their own interests? I have no doubt that during the Iran-Iraq war IRIGC served Iran honorably. But that was a long time ago and IRIGC has become a different beast altogether since then. I am not advocating regime change, that's an issue that Iranians will have to decide for themselves; I don't live in Iran.

IRIGC receives a huge share of Iran's wealth and always boasts about its latest achievements, such as indigenous this or that, or the latest 5th generation fighter jet, etc. All of these undertakings take precious resources and that would be fine if these "projects" did result in some measurable and verifiable success. But when push comes to shove all we have seen is this: IRIGC, at the end of the day, remains a private internal suppression force, extremely well equipped to use disproportionate force against Iranian civilians.

Does US Air force run any businesses? I don't think so, unless someone on this thread knows otherwise. America's armed forces pledge loyalty to US constitution, not an individual. And that's my other problem with IRIGC: pledge of loyalty to Velayat, not Iran or Iranian constitution. The current head of IRIGC is famous for kissing the feet of current Velayat every time they meet. If that's not problematic to people, then...

Again, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, IRIGC is an enterprise with vast business dealings in Iran and elsewhere. And I don't trust a private money making army. At some point IRIGC's interest will, and has, diverged from that of Iranian people.

In case you are here to learn anything about your country of origin, here are a few facts:

1- Velayat and Velayate Faghih are two different things. Velayat is the concept on which whole Islamic republic constitution is built on and that is the rule of God on a country through a person (Velayate Faghih) who is best versed on what the religious rules are. IRGC is the protector of Velayate Faghih as part of Isalmic Republic. Here is a brief introduction to what they are and what they are trying to protect which maybe you can ask your parents to translate it for you.

http://salmanfarsi.ghasam.ir/fa/news-details/443282/

2- Having one person on top of the whole nation is not a strange thing. In fact most of the older civilizations have that in a way or another. Queen of England is a good example. The army of Britain is loyal to her majesty the Queen as she is the symbol of Sovereign which is the nation and its constitution. Canada, somewhat has the same loyalty to the Queen and the Federation. Same assumption is made in Iran that Velayate Faghih and Nation are the same and their interests are also the same.

3- Having economic activities by IRGC is not IRGC's fault. It is a nationwide problem where people are doing things that may cause conflict of interest. And that is not limited to Iran. Your current president and many of your senators are good examples of politicians who have economical interests and are steering your country towards where is more beneficial to them not necessarily thinking about the nation as a whole.

 

[AmirPatriot]

@Arminkh I think part of the dude's "skepticism" comes from pure ignorance, like the average person on the internet. This guy was saying Iran had never launched a satellite.

Thus, his bias due to his hate of the IRGC combined with his lack of knowledge means he will believe anything anti-IR, even if it is from right-wing closing on fascist Israeli newspapers quoting unnamed "intelligence officials". The same sources that said Iran launched 3 Shahab-3s, only to be proved wrong just a few hours later, in fact anyone citing the Shahab-3 excessively is a clear of an ignorant individual because it shows the extent of their knowledge or lack thereof as staying back in the 1990s when the Shahab-3 was first deployed with the associated headlines. An ignorant individual who believes this trash has no idea that the very missiles used in this strike have displayed incredible accuracy on film, and they are in fact more advanced than the ballistic missiles Iran uses to hit ships, an operational capability that only Iran and China hold.

I cannot fathom how anyone would give these claims any credit, they are just about as reliable as a tabloid saying Messi is moving to Chelsea because why the **** not right?

The same person will believe the Karrar tank is plastic, the Shahed-129 is junk and Zolfiqar misses entire countries just because some drunk bozo on a fox news "verifies" it.

 

[WordsMatter]

@Arminkh I think part of the dude's "skepticism" comes from pure ignorance, like the average person on the internet. This guy was saying Iran had never launched a satellite.

Thus, his bias due to his hate of the IRGC combined with his lack of knowledge means he will believe anything anti-IR, even if it is from right-wing closing on fascist Israeli newspapers quoting unnamed "intelligence officials". The same sources that said Iran launched 3 Shahab-3s, only to be proved wrong just a few hours later, in fact anyone citing the Shahab-3 excessively is a clear of an ignorant individual because it shows the extent of their knowledge or lack thereof as staying back in the 1990s when the Shahab-3 was first deployed with the associated headlines. An ignorant individual who believes this trash has no idea that the very missiles used in this strike have displayed incredible accuracy on film, and they are in fact more advanced than the ballistic missiles Iran uses to hit ships, an operational capability that only Iran and China hold.

I cannot fathom how anyone would give these claims any credit, they are just about as reliable as a tabloid saying Messi is moving to Chelsea because why the **** not right?

The same person will believe the Karrar tank is plastic, the Shahed-129 is junk and Zolfiqar misses entire countries just because some drunk bozo on a fox news "verifies" it.

Grow up kid... this is a forum for adults not children.

 

[AmirPatriot]

Grow up kid... this is a forum for adults not children.

I wasn't talking to you. Weren't you ever told not to interrupt someone?

Unfortunately you've managed to derail the thread from a technical one to one about the media. Understandable, as you have no knowledge of the technicalities.

Let me know when you actually know what you are talking about, then you can at least pretend your knowledge reflects your age.

 

[WordsMatter]

Very well put and sensible. I guess I will re-evaluate my take on the IRGC and Iran as a whole as well. Your points are very solid.

Just a question (you don't have to answer if you don't want to lol). When you say "Iranian Descent" do you mean that both of your parents are Iranian or one of them are, or is there Iranian heritage in your family?

Yes parents are from Iran.

 

[WordsMatter]

That was a sarcasm hinting that as an observer, your behavior is not consistent.

Ok, then maybe you should think about my first question.

My second question: there is no way for anyone to know which building Iran wanted to hit. Maybe it didn't want to hit any building at all. Maybe what they wanted to hit was in the open space and thousand other possibilities. This is a very big assumption to think Israel knew exactly what Iran knew and then they were able to simulate how Iran's military leaders would make a decision based on that and then decide which targets they would choose to attack. And even if they knew all that, and didn't share it with US, which allegedly is fighting ISIS, doesn't that put Israel in a rather peculiar position in all this? And if they shared it with US, why didn't US that is always comfortable attacking Iran's allies or drones in places it shouldn't didn't do anything about it? There is too much inconsistencies in your theory. And again you are being you and I am being me.

My third question: That is called being biased, which we already knew.

And last comment, skeptical is to put it mildly, your comments about our football team was the only positive comments you ever posted on this site about Iran. There is nothing wrong with that but you don't need to remind us each and every time there is a new event.


In case you are here to learn anything about your country of origin, here are a few facts:

1- Velayat and Velayate Faghih are two different things. Velayat is the concept on which whole Islamic republic constitution is built on and that is the rule of God on a country through a person (Velayate Faghih) who is best versed on what the religious rules are. IRGC is the protector of Velayate Faghih as part of Isalmic Republic. Here is a brief introduction to what they are and what they are trying to protect which maybe you can ask your parents to translate it for you.

http://salmanfarsi.ghasam.ir/fa/news-details/443282/

2- Having one person on top of the whole nation is not a strange thing. In fact most of the older civilizations have that in a way or another. Queen of England is a good example. The army of Britain is loyal to her majesty the Queen as she is the symbol of Sovereign which is the nation and its constitution. Canada, somewhat has the same loyalty to the Queen and the Federation. Same assumption is made in Iran that Velayate Faghih and Nation are the same and their interests are also the same.

3- Having economic activities by IRGC is not IRGC's fault. It is a nationwide problem where people are doing things that may cause conflict of interest. And that is not limited to Iran. Your current president and many of your senators are good examples of politicians who have economical interests and are steering your country towards where is more beneficial to them not necessarily thinking about the nation as a whole.

I disagree... I have been very consistent: give credit to IRI where it's due, remain skeptical of IRI's claims until and unless verified.

Thanks for the background info. To respond to your statements about Queen of England:
England, UK, is a constitutional monarchy. It's not a monarchy in its pure sense. The Queen is a the head of state but not the head of government (this is very similar to IRI). She can NOT however dismiss, reject, object to, or any way undermine the business of parliament, the people's chamber. She is limited by the constitution and only acts within the constraints of the written laws. This is where IRI differs from England: The Velayate Faghih is "absolute" in the extend of power it has and exercises, just like absolute monarchy. Again, if Iranians are fine with that who am I to say otherwise. But please drop pretensions of democracy.

You also say: "Having economic activities by IRGC is not IRGC's fault. It is a nationwide problem where people are doing things that may cause conflict of interest. And that is not limited to Iran." wait what?! Under Mr. Khomainie this did not happen. So I am not sure why it "could" happen now. Also, does Artesh have business interests? Not heard that yet, but you may know better.

Lastly you say" Your current president and many of your senators are good examples of politicians who have economical interests and are steering your country towards where is more beneficial to them not necessarily thinking about the nation as a whole." Couldn't agree with you more. But 6 years from today, I can go to the polls and vote for "whomever" is running and is closest to my political orientation, without prior "arbitrary" vetting by any single body.

 

[zartosht]

there are a couple of trolls on this thread who seem to appear in almost every single Iranian thread about achievements, missiles etc..

they come in blatantly trolling, Using some msm punchlines, recycling tired talking points, and even when the general MSM is silent, will grab any piece (like this Zionist garbage) from fringe sources, try to pass them off as facts, completely spam and derail the thread with it. And probably laughing behind their keyboards at people feeding them.

that's until someone calls them out on their trolling. they usually cry, play victim and say "Iranians always insultzzzz you when you criticize their achievements!!!111111111" and usually try to bait someone into insulting them, and reporting them

someone has to be really pathetic in their life to get their kicks by doing this. really really pathetic. No names, but a couple of usual suspects. get a life.