Israeli settlers taunt Palestinian hunger-strikers with BBQ

[django]

Because the Arabs are the violently aggressive colonists, not the Jews!

You are truly delusional.

 

[Vassnti]

non violent protest by the Palestinians,
non violent protest by the Israelis
Isnt it a heck of a lot better than most stories out of the middle east at the moment?

 

[jewishm]

Balls the Hebrews are long gone dead, these Russia's, French, German, American white Jews masquerading as middle easterners is a sick joke

Give it a break Princess, you have no issue with the juden mocking the abused and oppressed Palestinians but bust a gut if the opposite happens

non violent protest by the Palestinians,
non violent protest by the Israelis
Isnt it a heck of a lot better than most stories out of the middle east at the moment?

you didnt see these animal jews ? they making bbq of palestinan kids

 

[BHarwana]

Last few day of Israel. "You will be punished by an invading army when ever you will leave the true path and indulge your self in acts against humanity" This is some thing Israel should never forget. This will be the fourth time.

 

[Solomon2]

From Arab News:

"Harry M. • 14 hours ago


"In English, we have an expression that people who live in glass houses should not throw stones. An Israeli prison is a cake-walk compared to the remainder of prisons in the Middle East. Prisoners can and do study, earn degrees, and have more rights and freedoms than in any other Middle Eastern countries' prisons; it is fact. The hunger strike is a political stunt, and a last ditch effort by Barghouti to get out of jail and into politics. Barghouti received a fair trial, and was actually acquitted on multiple counts of murder even though he refused to put up a defense. He was convicted of 5 murders. 4 were Jews. 1 was actually a Christian priest, and his defense was an apology; he apologized and explained he thought the murdered man was Jewish and would not have killed him had he known. So, Barghouti is in jail for murder, and these are murders of the worst kind - he kills and directed killing of people simply because of their religion.

"If the UN probes Israeli prisons and the reasons for imprisonment....maybe the Arab League should open her prisons and legal processes for the world to see also. It would be very enlightening."​

 

[Jacob Martin]

There is a simple concept called a thought experiment. I know it might be too simplistic for the sophisticated members here on PDF, but just bear with me for a second.

So on one hand we have a local hegemon (Israel) that has the capability to eviscerate its opponents (Palestinians) if it only so chose to do. There is nothing to stop them from doing it, should they chose to do so. Have they done so? We know the answer to that.

Now reverse the situation and suppose that it is the Palestinians who had the military means to annihilate Israel if they decided to do so. What would happen then? Well, the Hamas Charter has the answer. The problem would be solved tomorrow, as there would be no Israel left.

That is a moral question that all Palestinian supporters are aware of, yet deliberately choose not to answer to themselves and others.

 

[AmirPatriot]

There is nothing to stop them from doing it, should they chose to do so. Have they done so?

Well Gaza is blockaded and the West Bank is occupied. Neither have economic development, neither have sovereign rights, both are subjected to propaganda, blockage of of journalists, and constant indiscriminate bombing. Both are having their "borders" slowly encroached upon and land annexed.

Looks pretty eviscerated to me.

 

[Falcon29]

There is a simple concept called a thought experiment. I know it might be too simplistic for the sophisticated members here on PDF, but just bear with me for a second.

So on one hand we have a local hegemon (Israel) that has the capability to eviscerate its opponents (Palestinians) if it only so chose to do. There is nothing to stop them from doing it, should they chose to do so. Have they done so? We know the answer to that.

Now reverse the situation and suppose that it is the Palestinians who had the military means to annihilate Israel if they decided to do so. What would happen then? Well, the Hamas Charter has the answer. The problem would be solved tomorrow, as there would be no Israel left.

That is a moral question that all Palestinian supporters are aware of, yet deliberately choose not to answer to themselves and others.

@AmirPatriot answered your question.

Secondly, no, they don't have any such capability. They have capability to annex land, due to consistent US veto and military force. And you are wrong, Hamas(which is not even internationally recognized gov't of Palestinians and only controls Gaza), embraces the Arab Peace Initiative which favors 1967 border two state solution. Recently they have modified the charter, which states this explicitly and removes any religious text. Meanwhile the Likud Charter actually does result in a potential Palestinian state disappearing:

Although Netanyahu plays the part, the details of his party platform need to be taken into account as a “peace partner” to show the reality behind the circus. Likud Party Charter states:

a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.”

b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”

c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”

d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.”

- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2011/11/netan...nt-of-palestinian-state/#sthash.J8VptCxI.dpuf

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Well Gaza is blockaded and the West Bank is occupied. Neither have economic development, neither have sovereign rights, both are subjected to propaganda, blockage of of journalists, and constant indiscriminate bombing. Both are having their "borders" slowly encroached upon and land annexed.

Looks pretty eviscerated to me.

The guy is speaking gibberish, he's an outsider that consumes Israeli gov't diplomatic campaign in the West, which is very different than it's diplomatic campaign in the Arab world or elsewhere. In the West, it seeks to make that an accepted narrative. Yet, Palestinians and Israeli's alike, no there is no such thing that will happen, and we have lived together for a very long time and used to visit and be friends. Most Israeli's are Arabs too, and we have a lot in common. The problem are the wealthy Western pro-Zionism Jews that keep immigrating and funding settlements, that make it impossible for a two state solution to occur.

 

[AmirPatriot]

a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.”

Wow. I did not know this was a thing. Good to know.

Funny how the Zionists complain about Palestinians not recognising Israel's "right to exist" when they don't recognise that for the Palestinians.

 

[Jacob Martin]

@AmirPatriot answered your question.

Secondly, no, they don't have any such capability. They have capability to annex land, due to consistent US veto and military force. And you are wrong, Hamas(which is not even internationally recognized gov't of Palestinians and only controls Gaza), embraces the Arab Peace Initiative which favors 1967 border two state solution. Recently they have modified the charter, which states this explicitly and removes any religious text. Meanwhile the Likud Charter actually does result in a potential Palestinian state disappearing:

Although Netanyahu plays the part, the details of his party platform need to be taken into account as a “peace partner” to show the reality behind the circus. Likud Party Charter states:

a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.”

b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”

c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”

d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.”

- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2011/11/netanyahu’s-party-platform-flatly-rejects-establishment-of-palestinian-state/#sthash.J8VptCxI.dpuf

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The guy is speaking gibberish, he's an outsider that consumes Israeli gov't diplomatic campaign in the West, which is very different than it's diplomatic campaign in the Arab world or elsewhere. In the West, it seeks to make that an accepted narrative. Yet, Palestinians and Israeli's alike, no there is no such thing that will happen, and we have lived together for a very long time and used to visit and be friends. Most Israeli's are Arabs too, and we have a lot in common. The problem are the wealthy Western pro-Zionism Jews that keep immigrating and funding settlements, that make it impossible for a two state solution to occur.

Well Gaza is blockaded and the West Bank is occupied. Neither have economic development, neither have sovereign rights, both are subjected to propaganda, blockage of of journalists, and constant indiscriminate bombing. Both are having their "borders" slowly encroached upon and land annexed.

Looks pretty eviscerated to me.

Lipstick on a pig...

The sob story of the blockaded and destitute Palestinians is the "just cause" that allows hatred towards Israel to continue. This is simply propaganda. Palestinians work in Israel. They cross the border every day. If they wish to work, they are allowed to do so. The blockade is meant to stop rocket attacks and prevent supply of arms. And it mostly achieves that purpose.

As for "indiscriminate" killing, that is yet another lie spread to tarnish the Israeli state. One doesn't need to be on the ground to know what destruction a lethal military force is capable of inflicting. Even the most outrageous lies do not add up to the claim of "indiscriminate" killing.

There have undoubtedly been civilian casualties, as happens in all urban conflicts. And for these deaths, you must blame those who use human Shields and sacrifice their own people to gain the world's sympathy and outrage.

Your personal attacks and claims mean nothing to me. Unlike you, I have not invested a lifetime in repeating lies which I desperately want the world to believe. Good luck with your deception project.

 

[Falcon29]

The sob story of the blockaded and destitute Palestinians is the "just cause" that allows hatred towards Israel to continue. This is simply propaganda. Palestinians work in Israel. They cross the border every day. If they wish to work, they are allowed to do so. The blockade is meant to stop rocket attacks and prevent supply of arms. And it mostly achieves that purpose.

Huh? You're going all over the place the now. What exactly are you trying to infer? That there shouldn't be a two state solution or what exactly? It makes you look bad, nobody else. Palestinians work in Israel, yeah some do, and so do Israeli's work in Palestinian territory. Which is what I stated, that we used to be closer together more than people think, especially outsiders, until the Likud party became dominant. The Palestinian cause is a lot more than just the recent blockade on Gaza, there were decades before that even became a reality.

As for the blockade intended to stop arms, it actually goes much farther than that. Besides believing they are entitled to control the whole sea on Gaza's coast, they also limit number of imports/exports going in and out of Gaza. Limit who can travel in and out of it. And other numerous objectives:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/17/israeli-military-calorie-limit-gaza(Quantity of Food)
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...ep-gaza-economy-on-brink-of-collapse-1.335354(Economy on Brink of Collapse)
http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/feature/2016/11/22/water-situation-alarming-in-gaza(Contaminated Water)

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As for "indiscriminate" killing, that is yet another lie spread to tarnish the Israeli state. One doesn't need to be on the ground to know what destruction a lethal military force is capable of inflicting. Even the most outrageous lies do not add up to the claim of "indiscriminate" killing.

Not sure who you're responding to here, but it appears you are referring to Amir. If that's case, once again you're wrong. There have been numerous cases of indiscriminate fire from ground and air by the Israeli army. Israel in the assault on Gaza during 2014, was eventually killing up to 80-100+ Palestinian victims per day, in a much smaller piece of land, compared to the person they accuse of committing warcrimes(Assad) in Syria. So if they believe he's committing war crimes, they most certainly are too. Here are cases of targeting civilians(just in 2014):

1.) They said there would be a 2 hour lull in bombardment for people to stock up on groceries and other basic necessities. They started bombing a market and an people crowded around two ambulances to transfer the injured:

2.) Targeted the children on the beach:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...nian-children-on-Gaza-beach-killing-four.html

3.) Shelling UN school that people used as a shelter, after Israel warned them to evacuate northern Gaza or face death:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...d-disgraceful-israeli-shelling-gaza-un-school

4.) Indiscriminate shelling on the ground in the Shujiyeah district of Gaza, marking the start of the ground invasion. Hamas repelled an Israeli APC killing 7 IDF troops. The IDF then ordered artillery units to indiscriminately shell the whole city for 'reprisal':

5.) A cease fire was put into place temporarily in August. Of course everybody lied about the ceasefire, suddenly Israeli troops began advancing in the city of Rafah conducting 'operations', breaking the ceasefire. Hamas began repelling it and eliminated 3 IDF troops, one which Israel claimed was captured, then conducted his funeral in Israel the same day, saying some parts of his remains were still in Gaza. Before they conducted the funeral, they implemented 'Hannibal Directive', starting bombing every vehicle moving on the ground and all the homes in the area leading everyone to flee. It was too late for about 130 plus Palestinian victims, who were killed, in indiscriminate and intentional fire:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...st-100-dead-in-24-hours-in-rafah-9644624.html

Here are Amnesty's findings after conducting an investigation:

“After Lieutenant Hadar Goldin was captured, Israeli forces appear to have thrown out the rule book, employing a ‘gloves off’ policy with devastating consequences for civilians. The goal was to foil his capture at any cost. The obligation to take precautions to avoid the loss of civilian lives was completely neglected. Entire districts of Rafah, including heavily populated residential areas, were bombarded without distinction between civilians and military targets,” said Philip Luther.

The ferocity of the attacks, which continued after Lieutenant Goldin was declared dead on 2 August, suggests they may in part have been motivated by a desire to punish the population of Rafah as revenge for his capture.

Shortly before Lieutenant Goldin’s capture on 1 August 2014, a ceasefire had been announced, and many civilians returned to their homes believing it was safe. Massive and prolonged bombardment began without warning while masses of people were on the streets, and many of them, especially those in vehicles, became targets. That day later became known in Rafah as “Black Friday”.

Eyewitness accounts described horrifying scenes of chaos and panic as an inferno of fire from F-16 jets, drones, helicopters and artillery rained down on the streets, striking civilians on foot or in cars, as well as ambulances and other vehicles evacuating the wounded.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/07/gaza-cutting-edge-investigation-rafah/

These are just some examples from one war.

There have undoubtedly been civilian casualties, as happens in all urban conflicts. And for these deaths, you must blame those who use human Shields and sacrifice their own people to gain the world's sympathy and outrage.

Onus is on you to provide support to your claims. I provided evidence of what appeared to be a systematic policy of 'punishing' civilians. You have not provided anything for your claims, trying to find a cheap way out. If you can't support your own arguments, better for you to remain silent.

Your personal attacks and claims mean nothing to me. Unlike you, I have not invested a lifetime in repeating lies which I desperately want the world to believe. Good luck with your deception project.

Nobody's insulting you, stop being all sensitive. You are just rambling and being as biased as you can. There is no deception occurring and we all look forward to the day both people can have a state for their own and live in peace. You and the Likudlings obviously aren't.

 

[AmirPatriot]

Lipstick on a pig...

The sob story of the blockaded and destitute Palestinians is the "just cause" that allows hatred towards Israel to continue. This is simply propaganda. Palestinians work in Israel. They cross the border every day. If they wish to work, they are allowed to do so. The blockade is meant to stop rocket attacks and prevent supply of arms. And it mostly achieves that purpose.

As for "indiscriminate" killing, that is yet another lie spread to tarnish the Israeli state. One doesn't need to be on the ground to know what destruction a lethal military force is capable of inflicting. Even the most outrageous lies do not add up to the claim of "indiscriminate" killing.

There have undoubtedly been civilian casualties, as happens in all urban conflicts. And for these deaths, you must blame those who use human Shields and sacrifice their own people to gain the world's sympathy and outrage.

Your personal attacks and claims mean nothing to me. Unlike you, I have not invested a lifetime in repeating lies which I desperately want the world to believe. Good luck with your deception project.

@Falcon29 standard excuses I've heard a billion times, not worth replying to.

 

[Natan]

Israeli security forces release footage showing Marwan Barghouti trying to conceal the fact that he is eating cookies and other snacks in the midst of a hunger strike staged by security prisoners which he himself is leading
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4958655,00.html

 

[NakedLunch]

I understand. Any assessment of the situation that does not align with hatred for Israel is "going all over the place".



Where did you get that from? Which part of what I said amounts to that?



Refer to the old Hamas Charter for that. That is the Palestinian cause. Trying to fool people by glossing over fools no one.



It is one and the same. Hamas uses anything at its disposal to smuggle weapons. Including fishermen. Israel just decided to eliminate the logistical and security nightmare of having to search every bit of material passing through.

http://virtualjerusalem.com/news.php?Itemid=21531

One solution would be to accept that these actions have consequences and let it be. However, if you want to be in the business of outrage, save it for those who will use any means to smuggle in weapons including goods passing for trade.

By the way, how is the new JV between Hamas and ISIS coming along?

https://www.google.co.in/amp/www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2016/01/15/hold-hold-2/amp/

Hamas gets better equipment to wage war on Israel, while ISIS gets greater room for Salafi groups in the territories. Win-win for both. Except for the Palestinian people I guess.



During the First Intifada, Hamas executed 359 Palestinians. During the Second Intifada, they executed around 300. During the 2014 conflict they executed just 23 (although I am sure the numbers are not precise figures). We are talking about a movement that thinks little of taking the lives of its own, if only they can.


OPINION

UN report outlines how Hamas used kids as human shields
By Post Editorial Board

May 2, 2015 | 8:00pm

Workers remove rubble of Jamal Abdelnaser UNRWA School, which was destroyed during conflict between Israel and Hamas in Gaza City.AP
The headlines in most places were entirely predictable: “UN Says Israel Killed 44 Palestinians in Schools During Gaza War.” That was indeed one finding of a UN report published Monday — but only part of the story.

The report also confirmed something Israel’s been saying all along: Hamas stored mortars and other weapons in at least three UN schools during last summer’s war and fired rockets at Israel from two of them.

Israel repeatedly made that point during the conflict to explain why it was firing on schools (and mosques and hospitals) where Palestinians had taken refuge.

Because Hamas, desperate to win world sympathy by any means, has always been happy to use Palestinian innocents as human shields — the more casualties, the better.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/nypost...nes-how-hamas-used-kids-as-human-shields/amp/

Hamas appeared to admit using human shields to fire rockets into Israel for the first time today, but refused to accept responsibility for the slaughter of hundreds of innocent Palestinians killed in retaliatory airstrikes.

In a veiled confession that comes two weeks after the end of the Gaza war, a senior Hamas official said the group's fighters had no choice but to use residential areas from which to launch missiles into their neighbour's territory.

But while Ghazi Hamad claimed they took safeguards to keep people away from the violence, he admitted 'mistakes were made', blaming Israel's heavy-handed response for the deaths of civilians.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ocket-attacks-Israel-admits-says-mistake.html

So, you see. If Hamas uses school children as human shields, it is a "mistake". If Israel takes out the operations base of Hamas, it is "indiscriminate killing". This is the double standards we are talking about. And this has been going on for decades now.

We are talking about scum who do not think twice about using school children as protection or collateral, depending upon the outcome, and we are apparently supposed to point fingers at Israel instead.



Can you name me ONE international armed conflict where Amnesty International has not cited either side for rights violation? Do you know that Amnesty International has no stance on proportionality, and that every scenario where two people are not directly shooting at each other are within that ambit for them?



So once I concede that there are civilian casualties, onus is is on me to prove that - which incidentally happens to be your point as well. Do you always fight so low and dirty in life? I am sure that the few who support you here will cheer you on, but to a neutral observer you will come across every bit as deceitful as Hamas.

As for keeping quiet, isn't that what you would want everyone to do? So that this gravy train of lies and deceit can roll on?



Taken from the Hamas textbook of deception and hypocrisy. I can lob rockets at you, but you cannot fight back. I can call what you right as gibberish, but if you respond you are being touchy. Your life is too steeped in these petty deceptions and hypocrisy to even comprehend your own actions, so I expect no better of you.

Those who oppose Israel simply hold it to a higher standard than Palestinians. So Palestinians are free to lob rockets at civilian areas. They are free to slit the throats fo soldiers and stab teenagers and elderly people. They ate free to use their schools and hospitals as shields while launching attacks. However, Israel has to answer for every action it takes to neutralize these threats to its civilians.

Because unlike the Palestinians, they do not have a Divine mandate to rule over these lands. So any claim that Israel makes for its very survival will be met with rightous outrage from people who will not even answer that basic question - what would Hamas do to Israel if the positions were reversed?

LOL! For an Indian you really have put in a lot of effort to defend Israhell. How much do you get paid to do this? I havent seen a post of this length from you defending India in Kashmir! Muahahahaha! You are an embarrassment.

 

[The SC]

Israel has turned into a Extremist Society

Not true, it has always been an extremist society..