Israeli F-16 fighter jet shot down amid Syrian anti-air fire, pilots safe - IDF

[Enigma_]

Not much. It is my opinion.

Okay then.

 

[B@KH]

Israel and Iran set for a showdown in Syria ?

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Israel and Iran set for a showdown in Syria ?

Big powers like Israel and Iran don't go to war directly with each other. They only use proxies. And in this case Israel and Iran are both proxies of Russia.

 

[500]

So you are saying Israeli was lying when they said 20 missiles were fired at their attacking force? Israel has satellites that can detect launches but you believe some random people on a forum?

There is no contradiction. Assadists fired 25 missiles to shot down 1 jet.

Again a RWR will not just alarm because of radars in the area. They will alarm once a radar lock is achieved. You can't fly without being tracked by some form of radars so what would be the point of a RWR if it works the way you think it works?

RWRs can destingish different waves lengths, bands, frequencies, etc. They are much more sophisticated and target specific then you think.

All these dozens of SAMs can lock on jet and trigger alert. S-200 missile is semi active, it does not emit anything.

What game rules? There are no rules. Israel have shot down almost every Arab aircraft outside of Israel but now that someone does the same to Israel it somehow changes something? As of a week ago Syria started playing by Israeli rules.

S-200 is in Syria for 35 years but they never tried to shot down aicraft inside Israel with them.

In other words, Israel is allowed to shoot aircraft down over Egypt, Syria and Lebonon but the latter can't do the same? What am I missing because I am confused.

Israel never tried to shot down aicraft in Syria, although we can do it with ease.

 

[yavar]

 

[sammuel]

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few things needs to be cleared here.

First - Israel has no interest to get involved in the syrian civil war and has wisely stayed out of that war so far. The only interest israel has is to keep its border safe and not allow Iran to open an Iranian front In Syria against Israel. All the bombing raids that took place in the past years where all about either holding Iranian presence back or to destroy missile shipments to hizbullah.

Second - The last thing that Assad needs right now is to add a confrontation with Israel to his many problems. The situation however is that Assad has become a pawn who owes his survival to Russia an iran. This is why he continues to allow an Iranian build up and weapon shipments to Hizbullah.

What you have seen in the last round is another classic example of the situation in Syria. Syria allowed an Iranian UAV to take of from a syrian airfield and voilate Israel air space.


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[BHarwana]

lol

 

[MiG-35-BD]

Its really fun to see the hasbara trolls from Israel making up stories about the Israeli F-16 that was shot down - uh wait am I being "anti-semetic" - I mean uhhhh... pilot just ejected.

Now that things have cleared, its quite easy to see their lies / fantasies. This is what happened:

1. An Iranian drone entered Israel for 1 or 2 minutes (as if Israel doesn't violate Syrian and Lebanese airspace on a regular basis)
2. Israel went in and targeted the supposed "control center" of this drone
3. The air defences responded. Given the speed and trajectory of the plane, it fell way inside Israel.

Meanwhile, our resident Hasbara monkeys posted their lies which included:
1. "used 25 missiles to target a single plane" LOL
2. Israeli aircraft was just sitting innocently inside Israeli airspace and was unfairly and suddenly targeted
3. "Israel Strong" yeah!!! LOL

 

[yavar]

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

It's funny on the map Israel is smallest, then Syria, then Iraq, then Iran.

 

[yavar]

 

[The SC]

Now lieberman exposes his own ministry lies.. they said that they have destroyed half of Syrian self-defence systems.. now he says that they have only hit 5 launchers..

The 25 missiles launched by the Syrian air-defences intercepted 13 cruise missiles from 18 launched by Usraeli jets..and 1 F-16 was downed and another jet (either an F-15 or F-16 was hit..)

"Izvestia" report..

 

[Solomon2]

Rare Syrian-Israeli heated debate on Al Jazeera
IDF spokesman for Arabic media debates former Syrian officer, Assad supporter, who challenged Israel ‘to fly over Syrian skies again’; ‘One jet in 30 years is not such a big deal,’ says host.
Yoav Zitun|Published: 02.21.18 , 21:01

The IDF Spokesman in charge of the Arabic media department Maj. Avichai Adraee has been a frequent guest representing the Israeli position on Arabic media channels. This Tuesday, Edri held a rare and heated debate with a former Syrian military officer and Assad supporter Saleh Qirata.

The clash took place during Al Jazeera’s popular “The Other Side” program moderated by Faisal al-Qasem. The show was discussing the significance of the downing of the Israeli F-16 jet last week by Syrian anti-aircraft rockets over the Galilee and the relative aerial superiority Israel holds in the Middle East.



Maj. Avichai Adraee

“What benefit is there to one downed Israeli jet when moments later, half of the Syrian anti-aircraft missile system was destroyed?” the host asked. “Is the Syrian pride in downing an Israeli plane after 30 years similar to the joy of a paraplegic who succeeds in moving his fingers for a few seconds?”

The former Syrian officer said: “The downing of an Israeli plane is not merely a passing event and it is a game changer.”



Former Syrian officer


Maj. Adraee responded: “Qirata lives in Spain and therefore cannot hear the sound of Israeli aerial superiority before and after this incident. If he were to ask his friends and relatives in Damascus whether they hear (sense) the Israeli superiority they would respond in the affirmative. The Arabs and Syrians depend on mere words, and we on actions.”

The Israeli officer reminded the Al Jazeera host of the Facebook poll that indicated that his audience was more inclined to believe Israel over Syria.

Downing of IAF F16 [video]​

According to Adraee, Israel would continue its operations in the face of threats. "The Iranians were invited into Syria not to fight ISIS or the Syrian opposition, as they falsely claim, but rather to clash with Israel. He who plays with fire will get burned."

Adraee also mentioned that in his recent speech, Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah omitted mention of the military leader of the group Mustafa Badr al-Din, because he was killed by the Iranians, while he did mention other senior militants, such as al-Musawi and Imad Mughniyah, who were killed by Israel, according to reports.

The Syrian officer responded: “I am responsible for what I say. You are banking on ethnic tensions… You are an Arab Iraqi, do not forget your roots. I challenge the Israeli pilots to re-enter Syrian skies.”

First published: 02.21.18,

 

[Muhammed45]

oh, first Israel got nailed with destroying it's MerKakas :

After drilling of iron(y)-dome

Now it's turn to disappoint Israelis with destroying their air superiority. Israel has nothing to use big mouth as of now

 

[Solomon2]

oh, first Israel got nailed with destroying it's MerKakas :

That was, what, 2006? Upgrades have been made since:

THE MERKAVA 4: WHY HEZBOLLAH SHOULD BE AFRAID—VERY AFRAID
The lessons of the 1973 and 2006 wars.
July 21, 2017

Ari Lieberman

Following the 1973 Yom Kippur War, armchair pundits determined that the age of the tank as king of the battlefield had come to an ignominious end. They argued that the introduction of anti-tank guided missiles rendered the tank obsolete. How wrong they were. Several post-war studies of the conflict demonstrated that the tank was still indispensable to modern warfare and when employed in a combined arms manner with artillery and mechanized infantry, still reigned supreme.

Israel learned many lessons from the Yom Kippur War and incorporated those lessons into the development of its own indigenous tank, the Merkava (Chariot). The Merkava 1 entered service with the Israel Defense Forces in 1978 and first saw action in 1982 during Operation Peace for Galilee when it engaged and destroyed no fewer than nine Soviet-made, Syrian T-72 tanks without sustaining a single loss. It also reportedly succeeded in downing a Syrian anti-tank helicopter with its main gun.

Since that time, the Merkava has undergone several modifications and improvements, the latest iteration of which is the Merkava 4. The Merkava 4 is considered by armored warfare experts to be among the finest tanks in the world, and in terms of crew survivability, the safest.

In the summer of 2006, Israel was forced to go to war again, this time with the notorious terrorist organization Hezbollah. On July 12, two Israeli reservists were killed and their bodies snatched during a Hezbollah cross-border attack. Israel could not allow the outrage to go unanswered and decided to launch an offensive against Hezbollah. Nearly 400 Merkava tanks, mostly of the older II and III variants, were haphazardly deployed in the latter stages of the 34-day conflict.

During the course of the war, Hezbollah guerrillas fired thousands of anti-tank missiles – from the first generation Sagger to the highly advanced Kornet – at static Israeli infantry and tanks but only succeeding in damaging some 40 tanks and of these, there were only 20 penetrations. Despite these encouraging numbers, so-called experts began to once again challenge the utility of the tank and its place in modern warfare.

IDF planners saw things differently. They went back to the drawing board in an effort to draw conclusions from the performance of the Merkava and tactics employed by its crew members.

With at least 1/3 of its fighting force permanently stationed in Syria, the probability of Hezbollah initiating war against Israel in the near future is low. Even in the absence of the Syrian conflict, Hezbollah will soon not forget the thrashing it took at the hands of the IDF during the 2006 campaign. Nevertheless, most experts agree that the next Lebanon war is not a question of if, but when, and when it does begin, Israel’s latest Merkava variant, the vaunted Merkava 4 will be in the thick of it.

The Merkava 4 incorporates many sophisticated design features including advanced electro optics that ensure a 100% first-hit kill capability from its formidable 120mm smooth-bore gun. The Merkava also features an internally operated 60mm mortar to deal with missile-armed infantry. The Merkava is also capable of firing the long-rang, third generation LAHAT laser homing, guided missile from its main gun, an advantage lacking in the Merkava’s contemporaries. Another feature possessed by the Merkava but lacking in its competitors is the ability to accommodate up to eight infantry soldiers or three litter patients.

But among its most outstanding features is its emphasis on crew safety and ability to negate anti-tank missile threats. The tank, whose well-sloped armor is composed of advanced spaced and composite materials, is arguably the best protected in the world.

Unlike other tank designs, the Merkava’s 1,500hp diesel engine is located in the front, providing the crew with an additional layer of protection from frontal hits. Learning from past experience, the Merkava’s vulnerable underbelly was up-armored to provide additional protection against anti-tank mines and Iranian supplied explosively formed projectiles (EFP), which have been used to devastating effect by Iraqi and Afghan insurgents against American forces, claiming no fewer than 500 American lives. In addition, the Merkava 4’s armor is modular, allowing for quick battlefield repair and tailoring the armor for the tank’s mission-specific purposes.

But perhaps the Merkava’s most outstanding feature is its use of the Trophy active self-protection missile defense system, which acts like the tank’s personal Iron Dome missile defense shield. The system is designed to shoot down incoming missiles before the projectile reaches the tank’s armor. The IDF is the first military to deploy such a platform and all Merkava 4s and Namer (leopard) and Eytan armored personnel carriers (APC) are equipped with it. The United States Army is currently testing the Trophy system for use and adoption in its M1A2 Abrams tanks and other armored fighting vehicles such as the Stryker wheeled APC and the Bradley tracked APC.

The Trophy’s first baptism under fire occurred on March 1, 2011 when it successfully intercepted an RPG-29 anti-tank rocket fired by a Hamas terrorist from Gaza. Three years later, during Operation Protective Edge, the system proved itself again, shooting down no less than five anti-tank missiles fired by Hamas terrorists. Not a single Merkava tank was damaged thus depriving the enemy of any psychological or propaganda victory.

But the Trophy is more than just a missile interceptor. It simultaneously calculates the trajectory of the incoming rocket to determine the location of the source of fire and instantly transmits the coordinates by interfacing with another Israeli innovation known as the Tzayad battle management system. Soldiers in the theater or aerial platforms hovering above are instantly apprised of the enemy’s position and can quickly engage the belligerent seconds later. This seamless integration of battlefield technology has dramatically reduced the sensor to shoot cycle, enabling rapid elimination of the enemy.

While war with Hezbollah is not likely on the horizon due to the terror group’s efforts to prop up Assad, any miscalculation by Hezbollah in underestimating Israeli resolve, such as that which occurred in July 2006, can trigger a massive conflagration. When that occurs, it’s a sure bet that Israel’s fleet of formidable Merkava 4s will be at the tip of the spear.

Ari Lieberman is an attorney and former prosecutor who has authored numerous articles and publications on matters concerning the Middle East and is considered an authority on geo-political and military developments affecting the region.