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Israel's technology is sold the world over. I was referring to foreign policy, not just military links. Besides, it would be naive to think that Pakistan-Israel relations would limit sales of their military hardware. The real value lies in benefiting from Pakistan being seen as a country rising above anti-Semitic prejudices to a level where business can flourish.

The statement I was responding to was that Pak-Israeli relations will put a damper on India-Israeli relations. This is simply false.

As for the predictable anti-Semitism reference, it has been discussed ad nauseum. It is from the standard Israeli rule book to play the race card at every opportunity. I won't bother responding to it.
 
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Guys despite a lot of the members specifically pointing out our engagement with Israelis in the past (Which has been extremely fruitful from both angles and led us to develop critical components of our long term project), we tend to take this in an "All or nothing" paradigm.

As rightly pointed by one of the members, none of the Arabs states has ever censured India on the Kashmir issue. In fact the Gulf States have preferred to hire Indian human resource over Pakistanis.

Look at Iran, it has a strategic relationship with India which undermines Pakistan in this region. It routinely conducts cross border raids in the name of "Hot pursuit" of smugglers and kills Pakistani citizens and border guards. It swallowed at least 500 M48 tanks sent to Iran for refurbishment -- never gave them back. Reminds you of another incident that is still a sore point and is quoted everywhere when discussing our relationship with another country. The espionage network of Iranian Intelligence in Pakistan is very well known. They even fund subversive activities in Baluchistan and other parts of the country in the name of religion.

If all of this is not enough, they were extremely eager to point the fingers at us in front of the IAEA inspectors. So much for helping our Iranian brothers.

They have charged an exorbitantly high price for their gas versus the Turkmen option. But than they are our brothers -- let them rob us blind. But we are eager to do business with them despite all that. Are we thinking of Pakistan here or the so called Islamic Ummah only. It seems that our strategic and foreign policy is being dictated and debated in a cave set high in the mountains of North Waziristan.

Let us take a look at our Saudi brothers -- recently, instead of supporting Pakistan and its public in its hour of need, decides to take sides based upon who is in power. So much for Islamic brotherhood. To top it all, it is a Saudi citizen who is causing so much pain and grief to all in Pakistan. They have funded extremism inside Pakistan that has destroyed the very fabric of a very tolerant Pakistani society. So much damage has been done by Saudi influence that our generations to come, will pay the price.

But then we go to them, whenever we need to change a government and get their acquiescence when we have to send someone abroad or import someone. Reminds us of another "Gate" scandal. Their Intelligence Chief is there negotiating with our tribal’s as if they are Saudi Citizens and FATA, sometimes in the 80', was sold to the Saudis.

The Chinese, well they are busy maintaining a road that is unmaintainable in the long run -- yes the KKH. However, sarcastic remarks aside, China is someone we can and should do business with. We can share technology, do business and at the same time remain safe from their cultural invasion.

The concept of doing business globally can best be explained when shopping for items in a Bazaar -- we buy goods from a shop, we do not go to the shop to have family relations with owner!! The same is the case of Israel, they are eager for money, they need it, we are eager for sensitive technology and access to top of the line western tech that is not accessible to us as we go forward. Both can benefit from each other. A bonus in establishing relationships would be the ramp down of anti-Pakistan lobby in the west and neutralization of the Indian lobby to some extent.

The bottom line PAKISTAN COMES FIRST. WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IS GOOD FOR PAKISTAN AND NOT WHAT IS GOOD FOR PALESTINE ETC.
 
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9 pages of discussion over a press tv article and such (tankers, aircraft refuelers, fire fighting trucks, armored vehicles and special purpose trailers,) "sophisticated" military equipment...

if it had not been so tragic it would have been comic...
 
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9 pages of discussion over a press tv article and such (tankers, aircraft refuelers, fire fighting trucks, armored vehicles and special purpose trailers,) sophisticated military equipment...

if it had not been so tragic it would have been comic...

Thank god nobody leaked the transactions on those.
 
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Good News...Israel even offered ATG precision munitions for PAF back in 2009, but airchief said in his speech that Pakistan rejected the offer....i think our policy makers should realize the dynamics of the modern world and get into secret deals with Israel just like this one !!!
 
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Pakistan can buy whatever it feels necessary from whomever including Israel. But the focal point is that we cannot be seen buying from Israel. This would have grave ramifications on our international posture.

I believe if the instrument actually necessitates buying from Israel, provided there are no equivalent substitutes from elsewhere, I see no reason why Pakistan shouldn't do it. At the same time, cavaets for swift denial should also be inserted during the buyout in case somebody decides to go overboard with it.

What is paramount is that the status quo with regards to developing relations with Israel, remains put. Any indications or derivative implications that might try to paint a picture of Pakistan-Israel relations, by way of trading, buying or else, would not be constructive in the present time. I'm sure the top brass is already aware of this.

Actually, this is quite an intriguing way for Pakistan to get access to specialist hardware, yet keep up it's present day international posture with regards relations with Israel. A win, win situation if you ask me.
 
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Can anyone list the countries that really give serious consideration on our international posture?
 
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Can anyone list the countries that really give serious consideration on our international posture?

On which subject..?
There are lots of countries that give serious consideration on our internal posture.
 
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I hope holding the leash of the rabid taliban in afghanistan does not constitute as positive consideration. I am genuinely asking for countries that have stood up for us in the past by serious boycotts. Words mean very little in international politics. While US tries to get their spies US citizenship and free passes after killing civilians, it gave bradley manning life imprisonment for leaking documents. Our rules and laws mean very little because we have no sway because all we do is posturing.
 
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Can anyone list the countries that really give serious consideration on our international posture?

It is completely irrelevant if any country gives the most slight or most the serious considertaion to our international posture on relations with Israel.

What is important is that we continue to present it, atleast, until the Palestenian issue is resolved.
 
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Good News...Israel even offered ATG precision munitions for PAF back in 2009, but airchief said in his speech that Pakistan rejected the offer....i think our policy makers should realize the dynamics of the modern world and get into secret deals with Israel just like this one !!!

Joke of the Year!!

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The statement I was responding to was that Pak-Israeli relations will put a damper on India-Israeli relations. This is simply false..................

I would agree that those two interactions are not necessarily inversely related.
 
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Its called Globalization. Good equipment + low price = should buy.

End of thread?
 
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Thəorətic Muslim;2570441 said:
Its called Globalization. Good equipment + low price = should buy.

End of thread?

More like "Yet another troll posts a PressTV article?" End of thread.
 
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