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Hm. For mossad to stir trouble within Pakistan would not be difficult. Bomb some Shia mosques, dress up as PA and gun down Pashtuns, ect. Hope you guys get my point. Relations will lead to recognizing Israel and once their embassy is setup in Islamabad, Raymond David will look like a puppy dog.
 
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Agents with Israel’s Mossad agency posed as American CIA agents in operations to recruit members of the Pakistani militant group Jundallah, a report in Foreign Policy magazine said Friday.

Using American dollars and U.S. passports, the agents passed themselves off as members of the Central Intelligence Agency in the operations, notably in London, according to memos from 2007 and 2008, said the report.

Jundallah (Soldiers of God) says it is fighting for the interests of the southeastern province’s large ethnic Baluch community, whose members, unlike most Iranians, mainly follow the Sunni branch of Islam.

The Baluch straddle the border with neighboring Pakistan and Afghanistan and Jundallah militants have taken advantage of the unrest in the region to find safe haven in the border region.

In July it claimed responsibility for attacking the Grand Mosque in the provincial capital Zahedan, reportedly targeting members of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards Corps, killing 28 people.

“It’s amazing what the Israelis thought they could get away with,” a U.S. intelligence officer told Foreign Policy.

“Their recruitment activities were nearly in the open. They apparently didn’t give a damn what we thought,” said the official.

The memos were written during the last years of then-president George W. Bush’s administration ̶ the former U.S. leader Bush “went absolutely ballistic” when briefed on the memos, said the magazine.

“The report sparked White House concerns that Israel’s program was putting Americans at risk,” an officer told the magazine.

“There’s no question that the U.S. has cooperated with Israel in intelligence-gathering operations against the Iranians, but this was different. No matter what anyone thinks, we’re not in the business of assassinating Iranian officials or killing Iranian civilians,” said the official.

The Mossad activities could further jeopardize the already tense relationship of the United States with Pakistan, which is an official ally in the fight against Al-Qaeda, which had been pressed to take action against Jundallah, said Foreign Policy.

Tensions in the U.S.-Iran relationship have also spiked, most recently following the assassination of an Iranian nuclear scientist. Foreign Policy said there was no evidence of a link between the scientist's killing and Jundallah.

Mossad agents pose as CIA to recruit militant Pakistanis: report

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Oh look it's already going on.

Btw, news is from Jan 15, 2012.
 
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Oh let's remember the Israeli made weapons uncovered from Operation Rah-e-Rast?

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US, Israel and India backing Baitullah Mehsud: reveals close aide
June 18, 2009
Haji Turkistan Betani, a former close aide of Baitullah Mahsud, has claimed that assassination of Benazir Bhutto was plotted by Baitullah Mehsud.

Talking to Sana Bucha in Crisis Cell programme of Geo News, Haji Turkistan said that he was with Baitullah, who had stated that he had sent two persons to Rawalpindi for assassinating Benazir Bhutto. He also revealed that Baitullah is an American agent and this is the reason he has not been targeted by the US drones.

Haji Turkistan said that Baitullah is misguiding innocent youths on the instigation by Israel and India to destroy mosques and educational institutions and martyr religious scholars inside Pakistan.

This comes after Qari Zainuddin, a rival commander of Tehrik-e-Taliban Chief Baitullah Mehsud, on Wednesday disclosed that the TTP has links with India and Israel. He said that Baitullah Mehsud has acted against Islam as well as the country and if not eliminated now, militancy would surge and problems for the government would grow.


In an exclusive interview with Geo News, Zainuddin Mehsud said though Baitullah was wearing the cap of Mujahideen but all his actions were against Islam and the country, adding they would support military action against him. See (Baitullah Mehsud exposed and denounced by Afghan Taliban)

Qari Zainuddin recalled that his group and Baitullah Mehsud’s were together with Abdullah Mehsud prior to his killing. After his death, Baitullah Mehsud founded the Tehrik-e-Taliban, Pakistan leading to differences between his group and Baitullah’s. The split came over Baitullah Mehsud’s activities inside Pakistan, that Islam did not permit.

Zainuddin said after their split, they moved to Shakai.

Qari said when Maulana Hasan Jan declared suicide attacks “Haram” (forbidden) under Islam, he was martyred within three days. “These people (Baitullah) are working against Islam. When Baitullah accepts responsibilities for all such actions there is no doubt about his hand in the same,” Commander Zainuddin Mehsud said. About Baitullah’s links with al-Qaeda, the Qari said he did not know about any such thing.

On the other hand, a Taliban commander from Orakzai Hafiz Saeed rejected the claims of Qari Zainuddin. He told Geo News that Zain was playing into the hands of the government to defame the TTP. He said the Qari is neither the successor of Baitullah nor has any affiliation with the TTP.

Qari Zainuddin also conceded differences between his group and Baitullah’s when late Abdullah Mehsud took over the movement. They separated over suicide attacks and actions inside Pakistan. Actually, the Taliban movement had been formed to fight against the foreign forces in Afghanistan but Baitullah turned against Pakistan.

Zainuddin said they would have no objection if the Army launches action against Baitullah, adding if the Taliban moved into their area they would fight against them. “We would stand by the Ulema and elders of the area,” he said. He said they would welcome any action against Baitullah either by the military or by the local people. However, they would give preference to the action against Baitullah by the Mehsuds themselves adding this way casualties would be minimised. He said that his peace accord with the government is intact

Qari Zain said that Mulla Nazir in South Waziristan and Gul Bahadur in North Waziristan were their allies. They are part of Tehrik-e-Taliban Afghanistan and their alliance is against infidels and foreign troops in the neighbouring country. Foreign militants including Uzbeks were evicted from the Wazir areas by peace loving Taliban. However, in the Mehsud-inhabited areas there were around 450 to 1,500 Uzbeks. He denied having heard about the presence of Arabs in the area.

Qari Zainuddin said the whole of Fata and areas around the Durand Line including Paktika and Paktia are inhabited by the same tribesmen. People move on either side of the border whether it was peace then or strife now.

To a question about Pakistan’s alliance with the United States, he said it was for the state to adopt a policy. He said if people and Ulema support action against Baitullah Mehsud, he would be eliminated otherwise he would create more problems for the country. “It is time to eliminate Baitullah now, otherwise no such opportunity would come in future and he would further increase headache for the government,” Zain warned.

US, Israel and India backing Baitullah Mehsud: reveals close aide « Pakistan Ka Khuda Hafiz
 
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RESEARCH REPORT BY: AARON LION FOR OUR GLOBAL PEACE & SECURITY SECTION
Stunningly, astonishingly and unexpectedly the Interior Minister of Pakistan Mr. Rehman Malik, finally accepted the involvement The Israeli Intelligence agency Mossad into the destabilization of peace of Karachi. While talking to the media at Islamabad Airport, Mr. Malik told that “Weapons are being brought to Karachi from abroad. Over 200 persons have been arrested and Israeli-made weapons, including AK-47 rifles, have been recovered from them.” The minister also hinted that not only the weapons but terrorists are also being brought in from abroad to play the role into the violence in Karachi and other parts of the country. The government of Pakistan has been speaking frequently about the foreign involvement into the terrorism in Pakistan.

Pakistani law enforcement agencies have been reporting the involvement of MOSSAD in the acts of terrorism in Pakistan. MOSSAD was involved in the training and equipping the terrorist in Pakistan under the guise of multinational forces in Afghanistan and Training centers for terrorists in India. Several arrested terrorists in Karachi have given testimonies to the authorities and law enforcement agencies about their training in India and South Africa.

On July 13, 2011, talking to the Mubasher Luqman, the famous Pakistani Journalist, Shahi Syed, the Awami National Party’s leader and chief in Sindh, he told that the weapons are being brought into Karachi by MQM through its control over the ports of Karachi. It should be noted that MQM has been in the control of ports and shipping ministry since Pervez Musharraf’s era. According to Shahi Syed, the weapons used in Karachi are not of local made, but it is completely imported from Western countries. He hinted that MQM is using its control over ports to smuggle the weapons. He also pointed out that recently revealed Container Scam had significant link with this supply of weapons into Karachi.

TYPES OF WEAPON BEING USED IN KARACHI
Sophisticated weapons from western countries are commonly being seen on the streets of Karachi these days whereas in past AK 47s were the most famous assault rifle. In the video link, the young man is using to Israeli made weapons including Assault Rifle / carbine and IWI Jericho 941 / Baby Eagle that are available for commercial sales with Israeli Weapon Industries. It was also reported by the media that they have witnessed rounds of Israeli weapons, the most famous of them, The Uzi submachine guns.

THE TEVEL
Israel’s Mossad has been involved in training and equipping terrorists in various parts of the world. MOSSAD has a department called Tevel (Hebrew: Liaison), that has “people positioned throughout the Far East who did little real intelligence; instead they set the framework for future business and diplomatic ties” (Victor Ostrovsky, By Way of Deception, P 77). This office or department deals in millions of dollars in arms sales. “These liaison men worked in three stages. First, they made contact to find out what the country(or customer) needed, what it feared, whom it regarded as enemies — information gathered through their on-site activities. The idea was to build on those needs, create a stronger relationship, then make it known that Israel could supply the government in question with weapons and training — whatever they needed. The final step in the process, once a country’s leader had been hooked on the arms, was for the Mossad man to tell him that he must take, for instance, some agricultural equipment as well. The leader was then put in the position of saying he could expand ties with Israel only if they set up formal diplomatic relations. It was essentially a way of creating those relations through the back door, although in most cases the arms deals were so lucrative, the liaison men never bothered to follow up with the next step“(Victor Ostrovsky, By Way of Deception, P 77).

THE ISRAELI WEAPONS IN PAKISTAN
In recent history, Israeli weapons were recovered from the militants if Tehreek-E-Taliban, Pakistan during Pakistan Army’s operation Rah-I-Rast in 2009 from North Waziristan. In the case of Karachi, we are going to follow the trails of the above three steps to find out how the Israeli Weapons found their way in Pakistan. Initially Indian RAW orchestrated the battlefield into SWAT valley where the involvement of Indian intelligence agency was vindicated by the finding of Indian made weapons and several uncircumcised militants with sub-continental racial features. Upon elimination of swat insurgency, another battlefield in Waziristan was initiated. Pakistan Army has launched its operation Rah-I-Rast against TTP, the foreign established so called Taliban fraction in the soil of Pakistan. Pakistani intelligence officials and civil government officials have on several forums has brought the issue on this involvement into the International media and global community. International community and military experts agree with the claim and they assert that Indian connections and backing of Taliban is justified as their insurance policy for future when the US leaves Afghanistan. Israel finds the business opportunity here by offering Israeli arms and ammunition to the insurgents prepared by the Indian agencies in FATA, KPK and Baluchistan regions of Pakistan. By late 2009, reports of Israeli weaponry being used by insurgents in Waziristan were surfacing. TTP militants were having plenty of sophisticated Israeli weaponry and it raised the revenues for Israeli weapon industry from $6.9 billion to $7.2 billion in 2009 despite several of its main buyers, including China remaining off limits. Intelligence reports suggested that Baitullah Mehsud and his Taliban were looting financials assets (Banks etc0, extorting money by threatening major businesses, and narcotics smuggling revenues through their control over the transport network from FATA, KPK and Afghan Transit Trade and to other major cities of Pakistan and has grown an organization of 5 billion rupees annual revenue during the era of Baitullah Mehsud. These revenues were being spent upon the purchase of weaponry and sophisticated equipment to launch attacks inside Pakistan. These ties were established during 2008 through the Indians who not only provided money laundering and related financial services to TTP through their network of consulates in Afghan territory as well as provided logistic support to transport the weaponry from the seaport of Karachi under the veil of diplomatic and development cargo to Afghanistan. This “cargo” was then smuggled into Waziristan through the adjoining complex of border passes on the Durand line.

How the weapons from Israel are arranged for Karachi | SYED HAROON HAIDER GILANI

But wait there's more!
 
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There is nothing wrong with realtions with the Israeli's it will benfit us both more for us then them... we have to accpect the fact they are here and live in this world realtions with them is a big time plus wake up people wake up.
 
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Now that I brought the evidence, everyone scatters.
 
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My point is that no organization can be sure of buying a piece of machinery which is “100% hallal” from outside sources.

The thread is about alleged purchase of Israeli made Refuellers for PAF; whereas most of the posts are discussing Pak Israeli relations. The article in question makes out as if PAF committed a blunder when these trucks were purchased. I would say that if PAF finds these are the best in the context of ‘cost versus benefit’, they should buy more from Turkey.

IMO article is an attempt to sensationalize the issue. No harm was done nor did this purchase indicate an attempt by the "liberals" to start dialogue with Israel. Whether we should start one or not has been discussed in another thread.
 
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Pakistan has finally taken the right decision...I'm all in favor of Pak-Israel relations..
I wonder how the Israeli members feel about this?
 
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Long live Pak Israeli relationship.......
 
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Long live Pak Israeli relationship.......

Lolzz sensible Pakistani won't take it as troll, because Late Paul Simon was ZA Bhutto buddy.
Frequently visit Pakistan. And now Shamon Perez too.
What the heck.......
 
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Bang on target Niaz. As I have written in one my post on this thread -- fuel metering is a specialised function and there are not many manufacturers who manufacture metering/caliberation equipment and quick connect couplings that guarantee accuracy of measure, reliability and security (The fuel is pumped at highspeed and the need for a hermatically sealed coupling is a must to ensure safety while refueling operatinos are underway).

Each a/c manufacturer, according to the particular need of the machine specifies what type of GPU's, Fueling equipment, weapons handling booms/loaders, tow bars, jacks etc. are needed to service their equipment effeciently. As an example, in the case of the F-16, and due to the low slung engine, PAF and all other airforces had to substantially increase their runway and apron sweeping capability. The particle pickup ratios were revised and newer equipment was purchased in the shape of a combo of heavy duty runway and kerb sweepers.

The min. particle pickup size was established and three manufaturers were narrowed down, that produced the chasiss, but only one mfg. of sweeping gear was okayed. USAF bought all its runwway sweepers from FMC-Wayne (Wayne being the mfg. for sweeping mechanism and gear). PAF in an open competition bought the runway equipment from a Japanese manufacturer, Howa-Wayne. HW was producing the equipment under license from Wayne on a Hino chassis. They are still being used by PAF - (I think they eventually bought fifty machines.)

This buy is something simillar to the above example.

As far as the conspiracy and the Mossad/RAW/CIA/KHAD/MI5 and let us see who else we can pile on tope of this heap, one can not argue with conspiracy theorists because there is no end to it.
 
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