Israel’s Antimissile System Attracts Potential Buyers

[tyrant]

Iron Dome can intercept only those rockets that will be directed at critical installations. Locate Smerch battery and destroy it at one go.

Hamas uses modern WS-1E (Iranian copy) and Fajr-5 rockets, not "pipe rockets".


Iron Dome can intercept it.

The problem with Iron Dome was its failures in handling a large number of missiles simultaneously, even if directed at important directions.

 

[BlueDot_in_Space]

Iron Dome can intercept only those rockets that will be directed at critical installations. Locate Smerch battery and destroy it at one go.

Hamas uses modern WS-1E (Iranian copy) and Fajr-5 rockets, not "pipe rockets".


Iron Dome can intercept it.

Iron dome is only good for Hamas rockets that are fired 4-10 at max at a time in a day. Tackling a barrage of MBRL rockets or artillery shelling is a different ball game. Israel can sell it to Nato Units in Afganistan to protect vital installations from Taliban rocket attacks.

Iron Dome can intercept only those rockets that will be directed at critical installations.

Thats a bad luck for Iron dome because guided rockets from MBRLs and artilerry units will be directed towards a vital installation.

Iron Dome can intercept it.

Does it say in the iron dome brochure?

 

[500]

The problem with Iron Dome was its failures in handling a large number of missiles simultaneously, even if directed at important directions.

Thats simply a matter of probability. If you fire a salvo or 20 rockets at one location then most probably 1-2 will pass through. But there is a huge difference between the damage that will cause 20 rockets and 1-2.

In 2006 war Hezbollah fired 4000 rockets and killed 56 Israelis (14 per thousand).
In 2012 war Hamas fired 1500 rockets and killed 6 Israelis (4 per thousand). No one was killed in areas protected by Iron Dome.

 

[500]

Iron dome is only good for Hamas rockets that are fired 4-10 at max at a time in a day. Tackling a barrage of MBRL rockets or artillery shelling is a different ball game. Israel can sell it to Nato Units in Afganistan to protect vital installations from Taliban rocket attacks.

Hamas fired salvos of some 20 rockets at once. It fired hundreds rockets a day. One Iron Dome radar can track 200 rockets simultaneously.

Thats a bad luck for Iron dome because guided rockets from MBRLs and artilerry units will be directed towards a vital installation.

Number of guided MBLS is pretty limited.

Does it say in the iron dome brochure?

Iron Dome has intercepted Fajr-5, which has very similar trajectory and range to Nasr.

 

[BlueDot_in_Space]

Hamas fired salvos of some 20 rockets at once.

MBRL battery can fire 100 rockets in one go.

It fired hundreds rockets a day. One Iron Dome radar can track 200 rockets simultaneously.

There is a difference between tacking 200 rockets simultaneously and targeting 200 rockets simultaneously. Iron dome can do the former not the latter.

Number of guided MBLS is pretty limited.

For the kinds of Hamas. Not for Pakistan Army.

Iron Dome has intercepted Fajr-5, which has very similar trajectory and range to Nasr.

Similar range, not trajectory. Fajr is a rocket not a BRBM.

 

[500]

MBRL battery can fire 100 rockets in one go.



There is a difference between tacking 200 rockets simultaneously and targeting 200 rockets simultaneously. Iron dome can do the former not the later.




For the kinds of Hamas. Not for Pakistan Army.

If u think that Pakistan can fire 200 Nasrs simultaneously, u live in lala land.

Similar range, not trajectory. Fajr is a rocket not a BRBM.

There is no practical difference. Both use ballistic trajectory.

 

[BlueDot_in_Space]

If u think that Pakistan can fire 200 Nasrs simultaneously, u live in lala land.

Whos talking about Nsar? Iron dome cannot protect from MBRLs batteries and artillery Units.

There is no practical difference. Both use ballistic trajectory.

By that logic, Iron dome can also counter ICBM because ICBM also use ballistic trajectory. Dont waste money on Arrow.

 

[tyrant]

Thats simply a matter of probability. If you fire a salvo or 20 rockets at one location then most probably 1-2 will pass through. But there is a huge difference between the damage that will cause 20 rockets and 1-2.

In 2006 war Hezbollah fired 4000 rockets and killed 56 Israelis (14 per thousand).
In 2012 war Hamas fired 1500 rockets and killed 6 Israelis (4 per thousand). No one was killed in areas protected by Iron Dome.

Do you know if Iran or Hizbollah have the ability to make the missiles to corkscrew (to evade the Iron Dome)?

 

[500]

Whos talking about Nsar? Iron dome cannot protect from MBRLs batteries and artillery Units.

Iron Dome can protect against large caliber MBRL like Nasr.

By that logic, Iron dome can also counter ICBM because ICBM also use ballistic trajectory. Dont waste money on Arrow.

ICBM has much bigger range and hence much bigger speed. Nasr has same range as Fajr-5 therefore same speed.

Do you know if Iran or Hizbollah have the ability to make the missiles to corkscrew (to evade the Iron Dome)?

I dont think they can evade. But they will use longer range missiles (Fateh-110, Zelzal), which cant be countered by Iron Dome. David's Sling is developed now to counter them.

 

[tyrant]

I dont think they can evade. But they will use longer range missiles (Fateh-110, Zelzal), which cant be countered by Iron Dome. David's Sling is developed now to counter them.

I meant if they make the missiles to corkscrew (to spiral around and move ahead at the same time like corkscrew blade) by changing one of the tail fins of the missile. If it spirals, it is very difficult to be tracked and destroyed. Do they have that kind of capability?

 

[Kloitra]

Iron Dome can protect against large caliber MBRL like Nasr.

The point is not Iron Domes capability. It is numbers. For any given sector, there can be limited number of batteries. Those numbers can be overwhelmed by large salvos of MBRL and artillery. And PA has MBRL other than Nasr, which by the way, is a ballistic missile.

I suppose this is the point @BlueDot_in_Space is making.

Though this doesn't takes the credibility of Iron Dome. It is a economic solution, which could make the enemy's relatively cheaper weapons like rockets and artillery costly by forcing them to increase the number.

 

[500]

I meant if they make the missiles to corkscrew (to spiral around and move ahead at the same time like corkscrew blade) by changing one of the tail fins of the missile. If it spirals, it is very difficult to be tracked and destroyed. Do they have that kind of capability?

That will horribly affect the accuracy, which is not good from the beginning. It will also reduce range.

The point is not Iron Domes capability. It is numbers. For any given sector, there can be limited number of batteries. Those numbers can be overwhelmed by large salvos of MBRL and artillery. And PA has MBRL other than Nasr,

U cant have very big number of Nasr size rockets.

which by the way, is a ballistic missile.

As I explained it does not change anything. Range is what matters.

 

[The Deterrent]

@500 , is there an initial boost phase (powered flight) for Fajr-5 or is it powered throughout its flight?

 

[BlueDot_in_Space]

Iron Dome can protect against large caliber MBRL like Nasr.

Good for you.

Nasr has same range as Fajr-5 therefore same speed.

same range does not translate into same speed. You need to consider other factors like elevation, initial speed.

 

[BlueDot_in_Space]

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