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He will probably have to pretend for a long time to come.


The Muslims and especially the Arab nations won't wake up. Just have a good look at the Arab nations surrounding Israel. Facing Israel is a far cry. These people don't even have the courage to speak up or take simple measures to obstruct Israel. Forget other non-Arab nations for a moment. The direct responsibility squarely falls on Arab nations.
i disagree its our responsibility i am not a believer in nationalism it is a western idea to divide people we are Muslims we are one so yes its our responsibility to defend our brothers!
 
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Gaza War Theatre: We've seen this show before:



The Western media never learns from previous Gaza wars.

A large percentage of Gaza rockets fall in Gaza, and many Gazans are killed because of them. I've documented this for years. I've shown how Hamas' own videos show rockets falling short.

When a family is killed in Gaza, it is very rare that it is an IDF mistake. Most of the time it is because a terrorist operative is in the house - either because he is a member of the family, sometimes it seems because he is using them as human shields. Other times it is because of Hamas rockets falling short. Sometimes it is because the IDF targeted a legitimate target that had a larger cache of explosives than was thought and it caused far more collateral damage than expected.

Hamas and Islamic Jihad is hiding the names of most of those killed. While Hamas admitted that one of its senior leaders, Bassem Issa, was killed in an Israeli attack, they don't mention the names of the other people with him at the time who were also killed. They do this to make it look like a larger percentage of the dead are civilians - and they did it in previous wars, too.

Speaking of, the Gaza Health Ministry and the "human rights" NGOs in Gaza (PCHR and Al Mezan) downplay any mention of terrorist casualties and often call terrorists "civilians" when they report the circumstances of those who have died. (Amnesty's obscenely dishonest "Gaza Platform" with statistics from the 2014 war relied on PCHR's initial reports, and as a result it lists more "civilians" than even the UN does. They know they are lying, I've let them know enough times, and they refuse to correct it.)

Ken Roth of Human Rights Watch is back to what he has done so many times in the past - tweeting against Israel incessantly, often with lies, and only reluctantly saying anything bad about Hamas once in a while. So far this time he is doing exactly he same thing - a huge number of anti-Israel tweets and a token tweet or two mentioning that Hamas rockets are a war crime, too.

The media still has no idea what "proportionality" means in the context of international law. They make scorecards of how many have been killed on both sides as if the results are supposed to be "fair," implying that if only more Jews would be killed, then they can all be happy.

Then again, the media is also part of the problem. Hamas has almost complete control over the media in Gaza. Citizens who speak freely to media know that they will be punished. Everyone sticks to the Hamas-approved script. International reporters know that they will be kicked out if they say anything not to Hamas' liking. Yet the media hardly ever mentions this, giving a false impression that their reporting is objective.

The media will also ignore most of Hamas' war crimes. Using ambulances or "press" credentials to transport weapons, using Gazans as human shields, using mosques as weapons depots, shooting from schools- - I once counted 19 different war crimes that Hamas has done in the Gaza wars, but "human rights groups" somehow only notice and denounce one.

People don't learn.

Then again, most people don't want to learn.

LOL look who is back. Weren't you leaving the forum?
i disagree its our responsibility i am not a believer in nationalism it is a western idea to divide people we are Muslims we are one so yes its our responsibility to defend our brothers!

I have never disagreed with that. Protecting Muslim brothers and sisters is a collective responsibility. For Muslims it goes one step further. We are at all times supposed to protect innocent people irrespective of their religious affiliations.

Having said that, the Arab neighbors of Palestine bear the heaviest responsibility. They are geograpically in the best possible location. The least Arabs can do is support Palestinians. Aren't Americans and Western nations providing military gear to Israel to kill Palestinians? What is stopping Egypt or Jordan from supplying weapons to Palestinians? That is the least Arab neighbors could do and they are not doing it.
 
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"Barzilai hospital in southern Israel has treated more than 110 casualties since Monday as rockets and missiles continue to rain down on Israeli cities. Most of the injured are in mild condition, Rieck said. But there have also been several victims with serious injuries."


That was one hospital in the city of Ashkelon treating the Israeli casualties between Monday and early Morning of Thursday. The Palestinian resistance's rockets and missiles seem to be having an impact. Imagine the rocket and missile assaults in other parts of Israel. While Israelis have bigger weapons through their fighter jets, helicopters, tanks, drones, and artillery, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and other resistance factions are inflicting heavy casualties on the Israelis.
 
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LOL look who is back. Weren't you leaving the forum?


I have never disagreed with that. Protecting Muslim brothers and sisters is a collective responsibility. For Muslims it goes one step further. We are at all times supposed to protect innocent people irrespective of their religious affiliations.

Having said that, the Arab neighbors of Palestine bear the heaviest responsibility. They are geograpically in the best possible location. The least Arabs can do is support Palestinians. Aren't Americans and Western nations providing military gear to Israel to kill Palestinians? What is stopping Egypt or Jordan from supplying weapons to Palestinians? That is the least Arab neighbors could do and they are not doing it.
whats stopping these bastards is their 2 inch ki hukumaat!

they are reliant on money and military support from America the protector of Israel and these Arab leaders dont care about anything they only care about their wine their women and their ayashi!

Peace has made muslims complacent,struggles kept us on the path of Allah and now we are enjoying "Peace" and have forgotten the msg of Islam! but this aggression will get us back on that path and we will unite to resist and restore real peace in the world insha Allah! but before that many of our brothers and sisters will be murdered!
 
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Yes, this is part of the history. But please avoid taking the discussion to religious one.. as it might attract trolls.

OK the last one since I forget to put the last verse, nevertheless Allah still has mercy on Israel if they do good

Al Isra verse 8

Sahih International:
[Then Allah said], "It is expected, [if you repent], that your Lord will have mercy upon you. But if you return [to sin], We will return [to punishment]. And We have made Hell, for the disbelievers, a prison-bed."
 
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Some one should help Hamas to arm their rockets with chemical or with biological war head, untill or unless Isreali terrorists will not suffer peaceful negotiations are not possible

They could if they want so. Its not that difficult. But it looks like they dont want to do so.
 
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@PakSword Sir, could the spelling mistake in the thread title be fixed, if it's not asking too much (currently reads "Isreal" instead of "Israel")? Sorry for the nitpicking.
 
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If Palestine disappears, taking it back means doing to Israelis exactly what they are doing to Palestinians now.

And don't forge the Samson option. Palestine should remain on the map or else things will get way uglier than they are now. And by that, I mean that millions of people, maybe even tens of millions of people, will die. The best way to deal with Israel is to make it collapse from within, not to let them take over Palestine completely and then attack them X decades later.

Taking palestine back would not mean such atrocities would have to implemented on the jews. They might stay and be good citizens or go back to wherever they came from. but this is a very long term perspective.

Israeli so called nuclear option is totally and utterly useless. They can bomb the whole muslim world. They can kill 1 billion people, 1.5 billion people but in 50 to 100 years this embers will recover. nations will rise again. But they wont. If they start a nuclear armageddon, the whole world that is left will chase them down.

They are not that stupid.

Obviously the only way to prevent them even thinking about this is for the oppressed people of earth to develop nukes. Without nukes this will keep happening and that little boy running after his dead father will continue to suffer with more and more such little boys.

Every democratic muslim nation needs nukes yesterday. Turkey, Indonesia etc. to stop this heartless slaughter. Either that or move the palestinians to somewhere safe until the nukes are ready.
 
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Just because Israel and surrounding Arab nations have found some temporary common ground to cooperate doesn't mean this would last forever.
Who told you it is temporary? There are Arabs here why not ask them? Let's take Anwar Sadat who led Egypt into the Yom Kippur War in 1973 and nearly defeated the Israeli's. I actually remember this event as there was considerable discussion about this in household between my dad and his friends who would be glued every evening watching BBC reports.

As somebody who read a lot about this and subsequent US documents being declassified the Israeli's literally came so close to being routed that Washington began even preparing US Army to be deployed to prevent Israel being destroyed. In the meantime massive US air supply and possibly even cover US military being used the Egyptian spearhead was brought to a halt by massive Israeli air attacks - the Egyptian infantry displayed valour and grit that even their enemies appreciated.

This has profound effect on the Egyptian political and military elite. They woke up to the reality that they were never going to win even when they gave 100% their best effort. The fact was inside the Israeli glove was American fist. Since deeating USA was not possible defeating Israel was not possible.

It's important to understand this reality ws concluded by the entire Egyptian elite. Thus they began to look a way out and in 1978 Anwar Sadat signed the Camp David Accords with Israel under US supervision. Egypt got back it's occupied Sinai and massive annual US aid which has persisted to this day.
Just like Pakistan has crazies so did Egypt who thought Sadat had sold out Egypt. The fact was Sadat had not sold anything. He was just the face of a elite who had concluded victory was impossible and peace was best way forward. Sadat was killed by nutters. But 43 years have pasased. Governments have come and gone but Egypt has stood by Camp David Accord. The point being it was not a personal wish of Sadat but the entire Egyptian ruling order.

Recentlu UAE has also sought recognition with Israel. Again it would be dumb mistake if we think that one man decided this issue. The Sheikhs would only have done this when they felt sufficient numbers of the ruling Emirati elite was on board. Also they would have felt the pulse of their people. If Emiratis felt so strongly about recognition you would have seen demonstrations. There have been non. Also the Israeli's would not have felt safe.

For instance if Imran Khan was all of sudden tomorrow to make peace with Israel with Bajwa in agreement. What do you think would happen? Groups like TLP would have millions on the streets. Soon enough PMIK would be forced out.

The fact is significant number of people who matter or carry influence within these Arab countries are part of or ready to conform with these decisions.

MBS was ready to make peace with Israel. I think within Saudia there are still some sections who are not happy with peace with Israel. However it appears that change is afoot and it's only matter of decade before Saudia also makes peace with Israel as MBS slowly get's to consolidate his views as idea of Saudia 2030 with NEOM project. This would turn into the next Dubai if peace with Israel comes about and he attracts Israeli/Western investors.

It is not a accident NEOM is going to be built 10 minutes from Israel. There will come a time when NEOM will be full of Israeli tourists and Pakistani workers will be keeping the hotels functioning like we see in Dubai today.
 
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