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Israel denies South African nuclear weapons agreement

A UK news website claims Israel intended to sell nuclear weapons to apartheid South Africa, but Jerusalem denies the charges.

The Guardian news website, citing the work of an American academic, has reported that declassified South African documents reveal that Israel offered to sell nuclear weapons to the apartheid regime in 1975. The office of Israeli President Shimon Peres, who was defense minister at the time of the alleged agreement, has vehemently denied the claims.

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"There exists no basis in reality for the claims published this morning by The Guardian that in 1975 Israel negotiated, with South Africa, the exchange of nuclear weapons," the president's office said in a statement.

"Unfortunately, The Guardian elected to write its piece based on the selective interpretation of South African documents and not on concrete facts," said the statement. "Israel has never negotiated the exchange of nuclear weapons with South Africa."

Israel maintains a policy of “nuclear ambiguity,” neither acknowledging nor denying that it has nuclear weapons.

Although the Guardian provides documentary “proof” of attempted nuclear collaboration, which shows the signatures of then South African defense minister alongside his Israeli counterpart, the Israeli statement declares: "There exists no Israeli document or Israeli signature on a document that such negotiations took place."

The documents, uncovered by Sasha Polakow-Suransky, a senior editor with the Council of Foreign Relations, are being hailed in some political quarters as solid proof that Israel has a nuclear stockpile.

“The South African documents show that the apartheid-era military wanted the missiles as a deterrent and for potential strikes against neighboring states,” The Guardian said.

The documents seem to prove that both sides met on March 31, 1975, Polakow-Suransky writes in his book, The Unspoken Alliance: Israel's secret alliance with apartheid South Africa. In minutes purportedly taken during the meeting, the Israelis "formally offered to sell South Africa some of the nuclear-capable Jericho missiles in its arsenal."

Among those in attendance was the South African military chief of staff, Lieutenant General R.F. Armstrong, who laid out the benefits of South Africa obtaining the Jericho missiles, but only under the condition they were fitted with nuclear weapons.

According to the Guardian report, the alleged nuclear deal failed to materialize, partly because of the cost.

But this is not the first time that rumors of nuclear co-operation between South Africa and Israel have been kicked around in the media.

Back in 1990, the US television network CBS reported on a suspected nuclear test carried out by the two countries after an American satellite detected a mysterious flash over the Indian Ocean.

Meanwhile, the US academic and aspiring author, whose book hits the newsstands this week, claims that Israel attempted to prevent the secret documents from being declassified.

"The Israeli Defense Ministry tried to block my access…on the grounds it was sensitive material, especially the signature and the date," Polakow-Suransky said. "The South Africans didn't seem to care; they blacked out a few lines and handed it over to me. The ANC government is not so worried about protecting the dirty laundry of the apartheid regime's old allies."
Will Israel “come clean”?

Given the level of global interest in the nuclear weapons issue, instigated by Iran’s nuclear program, as well as US President Barack Obama’s commitment to a “nuclear-free world,” more pressure is being placed on Israel to officially disclose its nuclear stance. But before the recent revelations hit the newsstands, Israel’s defense minister was staunchly defending the country’s policy of nuclear ambiguity.

"I do not think there is a real or significant danger to Israel's traditional stance of nuclear ambiguity," Ehud Barak told the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee on May 10th. He then alluded to Iran, and America’s commitment to preventing Israel’s long-term nemesis from acquiring nuclear weapons.

"The [US] administration is steadfast in preventing Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons," he said. "They are much more active."

Yet Barak failed to mention that Israel’s commitment to nuclear ambiguity places the United States in an awkward position when it comes to lecturing Iran, and other “rogue states”, on the hazards of obtaining such weapons.

Ironically, Israel’s suspected nuclear weapons arsenal (which experts have estimated to be in the neighborhood of 200-400 warheads) was placed in a questionable position by America’s recently revised nuclear policy.
Israel (and America’s) awkward position

In April, the administration of US President Barack Obama released a revised nuclear policy, called the Nuclear Posture Review, which precludes the use of nuclear weapons “against non-nuclear states that are in compliance with the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty.”

This new qualification, intended to get more countries on board the document, had the added effect of placing Israel – which is not a signatory to the NPT – in the high beams. Since it is nearly universally accepted that Israel has nuclear weapons, Washington’s updated nuclear policy places it squarely in the company of India, Pakistan and North Korea – countries that have tested positive for nuclear weapons yet have not signed on to the document.

Iran, it should be noted, is a signatory of the NPT, but was found in violation of the document’s safeguards agreement.

The Obama administration, eager to close the controversy over Iran’s alleged nuclear weapons program (which continues to hamper the Middle East peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians), would like to see Israel “come clean” on its nuclear weapons, if only to remove charges of hypocrisy from Tehran and enhance Washington’s ability to resolve the dangerous stand-off by cool diplomacy.

“So far, none of the non-nuclear weapon states has ever been able to exercise their inalienable and legal right to develop the peaceful use of nuclear energy without facing pressure and threat at some level,” Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said in a speech at the United Nations on May 3rd.

The Iranian leader, unmoved by UN delegates exiting the hall as he spoke, went on to chastise the “Zionist regime,” which he says “stockpiles hundreds of nuclear warheads…with US assistance.”

Although nothing is really predictable when it comes to the Iranian regime, it is possible to imagine that by Israel coming out of the closet on its nuclear weapons program, as well as becoming a signatory to the NPT, would be the first crucial step in easing tensions between Israel, Iran and the United States.

Meanwhile, in other nuclear news, an Israeli nuclear whistleblower who spent 18 years in prison for providing evidence that Israel possesses nuclear weapons, is heading back to jail.

Mordechai Vanunu was taken into custody Sunday for violating the conditions of his 2004 release, which includes not “leaving the country and meeting foreigners.”

Vanunu’s lawyer told reporters that his client has a Norwegian girlfriend. Israel prison officials say he is to serve three months behind bars.

Before being led away he shouted, "You didn't get anything from me in 18 years; you won't get anything in 3 months. Shame on you, Israel!”

Vanunu was a technician at a nuclear plant who leaked details and pictures of the facility to the Sunday Times of London in 1986. On the basis of this material, foreign experts concluded that Israel had a formidable nuclear arsenal.

Israeli intelligence agents kidnapped Vanunu in Rome and brought him back to Israel, where he was sentenced in a closed-door trial.

Regarded by peace activists as a hero for taking a stand against weapons of mass destruction and their proliferation, Vanunu has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize on various occasions

Israel denies South African nuclear weapons agreement - RT
 
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there will be no proof bcz Israel cant do such bad thing..........israel is a good boy..... bullS**t....................
evry1 was crying about AQ khan now what happen why i am not hearing any cry from anywhere bcz israel is A HOLY COW???????????
 
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Exclusive: Secret apartheid-era papers give first official evidence of Israeli nuclear weapons
Chris McGreal in Washington The Guardian, Monday 24 May 2010 Article history
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The secret military agreement signed by Shimon Peres, now president of Israel, and P W Botha of South Africa. Photograph: Guardian

Secret South African documents reveal that Israel offered to sell nuclear warheads to the apartheid regime, providing the first official documentary evidence of the state's possession of nuclear weapons.

The "top secret" minutes of meetings between senior officials from the two countries in 1975 show that South Africa's defence minister, PW Botha, asked for the warheads and Shimon Peres, then Israel's defence minister and now its president, responded by offering them "in three sizes". The two men also signed a broad-ranging agreement governing military ties between the two countries that included a clause declaring that "the very existence of this agreement" was to remain secret.

The documents, uncovered by an American academic, Sasha Polakow-Suransky, in research for a book on the close relationship between the two countries, provide evidence that Israel has nuclear weapons despite its policy of "ambiguity" in neither confirming nor denying their existence.

The Israeli authorities tried to stop South Africa's post-apartheid government declassifying the documents at Polakow-Suransky's request and the revelations will be an embarrassment, particularly as this week's nuclear non-proliferation talks in New York focus on the Middle East.

They will also undermine Israel's attempts to suggest that, if it has nuclear weapons, it is a "responsible" power that would not misuse them, whereas countries such as Iran cannot be trusted.

A spokeswoman for Peres today said the report was baseless and there were "never any negotiations" between the two countries. She did not comment on the authenticity of the documents.

South African documents show that the apartheid-era military wanted the missiles as a deterrent and for potential strikes against neighbouring states.

The documents show both sides met on 31 March 1975. Polakow-Suransky writes in his book published in the US this week, The Unspoken Alliance: Israel's secret alliance with apartheid South Africa. At the talks Israeli officials "formally offered to sell South Africa some of the nuclear-capable Jericho missiles in its arsenal".

Among those attending the meeting was the South African military chief of staff, Lieutenant General RF Armstrong. He immediately drew up a memo in which he laid out the benefits of South Africa obtaining the Jericho missiles but only if they were fitted with nuclear weapons.

The memo, marked "top secret" and dated the same day as the meeting with the Israelis, has previously been revealed but its context was not fully understood because it was not known to be directly linked to the Israeli offer on the same day and that it was the basis for a direct request to Israel. In it, Armstrong writes: "In considering the merits of a weapon system such as the one being offered, certain assumptions have been made: a) That the missiles will be armed with nuclear warheads manufactured in RSA (Republic of South Africa) or acquired elsewhere."

But South Africa was years from being able to build atomic weapons. A little more than two months later, on 4 June, Peres and Botha met in Zurich. By then the Jericho project had the codename Chalet.

The top secret minutes of the meeting record that: "Minister Botha expressed interest in a limited number of units of Chalet subject to the correct payload being available." The document then records: "Minister Peres said the correct payload was available in three sizes. Minister Botha expressed his appreciation and said that he would ask for advice." The "three sizes" are believed to refer to the conventional, chemical and nuclear weapons.

The use of a euphemism, the "correct payload", reflects Israeli sensitivity over the nuclear issue and would not have been used had it been referring to conventional weapons. It can also only have meant nuclear warheads as Armstrong's memorandum makes clear South Africa was interested in the Jericho missiles solely as a means of delivering nuclear weapons.

In addition, the only payload the South Africans would have needed to obtain from Israel was nuclear. The South Africans were capable of putting together other warheads.

Botha did not go ahead with the deal in part because of the cost. In addition, any deal would have to have had final approval by Israel's prime minister and it is uncertain it would have been forthcoming.

South Africa eventually built its own nuclear bombs, albeit possibly with Israeli assistance. But the collaboration on military technology only grew over the following years. South Africa also provided much of the yellowcake uranium that Israel required to develop its weapons.

The documents confirm accounts by a former South African naval commander, Dieter Gerhardt – jailed in 1983 for spying for the Soviet Union. After his release with the collapse of apartheid, Gerhardt said there was an agreement between Israel and South Africa called Chalet which involved an offer by the Jewish state to arm eight Jericho missiles with "special warheads". Gerhardt said these were atomic bombs. But until now there has been no documentary evidence of the offer.

Some weeks before Peres made his offer of nuclear warheads to Botha, the two defence ministers signed a covert agreement governing the military alliance known as Secment. It was so secret that it included a denial of its own existence: "It is hereby expressly agreed that the very existence of this agreement... shall be secret and shall not be disclosed by either party".

The agreement also said that neither party could unilaterally renounce it.

The existence of Israel's nuclear weapons programme was revealed by Mordechai Vanunu to the Sunday Times in 1986. He provided photographs taken inside the Dimona nuclear site and gave detailed descriptions of the processes involved in producing part of the nuclear material but provided no written documentation.

Documents seized by Iranian students from the US embassy in Tehran after the 1979 revolution revealed the Shah expressed an interest to Israel in developing nuclear arms. But the South African documents offer confirmation Israel was in a position to arm Jericho missiles with nuclear warheads.

Israel pressured the present South African government not to declassify documents obtained by Polakow-Suransky. "The Israeli defence ministry tried to block my access to the Secment agreement on the grounds it was sensitive material, especially the signature and the date," he said. "The South Africans didn't seem to care; they blacked out a few lines and handed it over to me. The ANC government is not so worried about protecting the dirty laundry of the apartheid regime's old allies."

Revealed: how Israel offered to sell South Africa nuclear weapons | World news | The Guardian
 
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Exclusive: Secret apartheid-era papers give first official evidence of Israeli nuclear weapons.

Chris Mcgreal in Washington
The Guardian, Monday 24 May 2010


The-secret-military-agree-006.jpg

The secret military agreement signed by Shimon Peres, now president of Israel, and P W Botha of South Africa. Photograph: Guardian

Secret South African documents reveal that Israel offered to sell nuclear warheads to the apartheid regime, providing the first official documentary evidence of the state's possession of nuclear weapons.

The "top secret" minutes of meetings between senior officials from the two countries in 1975 show that South Africa's defence minister, PW Botha, asked for the warheads and Shimon Peres, then Israel's defence minister and now its president, responded by offering them "in three sizes". The two men also signed a broad-ranging agreement governing military ties between the two countries that included a clause declaring that "the very existence of this agreement" was to remain secret.

The documents, uncovered by an American academic, Sasha Polakow-Suransky, in research for a book on the close relationship between the two countries, provide evidence that Israel has nuclear weapons despite its policy of "ambiguity" in neither confirming nor denying their existence.

The Israeli authorities tried to stop South Africa's post-apartheid government declassifying the documents at Polakow-Suransky's request and the revelations will be an embarrassment, particularly as this week's nuclear non-proliferation talks in New York focus on the Middle East.

They will also undermine Israel's attempts to suggest that, if it has nuclear weapons, it is a "responsible" power that would not misuse them, whereas countries such as Iran cannot be trusted.

A spokeswoman for Peres today said the report was baseless and there were "never any negotiations" between the two countries. She did not comment on the authenticity of the documents.

South African documents show that the apartheid-era military wanted the missiles as a deterrent and for potential strikes against neighbouring states.

The documents show both sides met on 31 March 1975. Polakow-Suransky writes in his book published in the US this week, The Unspoken Alliance: Israel's secret alliance with apartheid South Africa. At the talks Israeli officials "formally offered to sell South Africa some of the nuclear-capable Jericho missiles in its arsenal".

Among those attending the meeting was the South African military chief of staff, Lieutenant General RF Armstrong. He immediately drew up a memo in which he laid out the benefits of South Africa obtaining the Jericho missiles but only if they were fitted with nuclear weapons.

The memo, marked "top secret" and dated the same day as the meeting with the Israelis, has previously been revealed but its context was not fully understood because it was not known to be directly linked to the Israeli offer on the same day and that it was the basis for a direct request to Israel. In it, Armstrong writes: "In considering the merits of a weapon system such as the one being offered, certain assumptions have been made: a) That the missiles will be armed with nuclear warheads manufactured in RSA (Republic of South Africa) or acquired elsewhere."

But South Africa was years from being able to build atomic weapons. A little more than two months later, on 4 June, Peres and Botha met in Zurich. By then the Jericho project had the codename Chalet.

The top secret minutes of the meeting record that: "Minister Botha expressed interest in a limited number of units of Chalet subject to the correct payload being available." The document then records: "Minister Peres said the correct payload was available in three sizes. Minister Botha expressed his appreciation and said that he would ask for advice." The "three sizes" are believed to refer to the conventional, chemical and nuclear weapons.

The use of a euphemism, the "correct payload", reflects Israeli sensitivity over the nuclear issue and would not have been used had it been referring to conventional weapons. It can also only have meant nuclear warheads as Armstrong's memorandum makes clear South Africa was interested in the Jericho missiles solely as a means of delivering nuclear weapons.

In addition, the only payload the South Africans would have needed to obtain from Israel was nuclear. The South Africans were capable of putting together other warheads.

Botha did not go ahead with the deal in part because of the cost. In addition, any deal would have to have had final approval by Israel's prime minister and it is uncertain it would have been forthcoming.

South Africa eventually built its own nuclear bombs, albeit possibly with Israeli assistance. But the collaboration on military technology only grew over the following years. South Africa also provided much of the yellowcake uranium that Israel required to develop its weapons.

The documents confirm accounts by a former South African naval commander, Dieter Gerhardt – jailed in 1983 for spying for the Soviet Union. After his release with the collapse of apartheid, Gerhardt said there was an agreement between Israel and South Africa called Chalet which involved an offer by the Jewish state to arm eight Jericho missiles with "special warheads". Gerhardt said these were atomic bombs. But until now there has been no documentary evidence of the offer.

Some weeks before Peres made his offer of nuclear warheads to Botha, the two defence ministers signed a covert agreement governing the military alliance known as Secment. It was so secret that it included a denial of its own existence: "It is hereby expressly agreed that the very existence of this agreement... shall be secret and shall not be disclosed by either party".

The agreement also said that neither party could unilaterally renounce it.

The existence of Israel's nuclear weapons programme was revealed by Mordechai Vanunu to the Sunday Times in 1986. He provided photographs taken inside the Dimona nuclear site and gave detailed descriptions of the processes involved in producing part of the nuclear material but provided no written documentation.

Documents seized by Iranian students from the US embassy in Tehran after the 1979 revolution revealed the Shah expressed an interest to Israel in developing nuclear arms. But the South African documents offer confirmation Israel was in a position to arm Jericho missiles with nuclear warheads.

Israel pressured the present South African government not to declassify documents obtained by Polakow-Suransky. "The Israeli defence ministry tried to block my access to the Secment agreement on the grounds it was sensitive material, especially the signature and the date," he said. "The South Africans didn't seem to care; they blacked out a few lines and handed it over to me. The ANC government is not so worried about protecting the dirty laundry of the apartheid regime's old allies."
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Revealed: how Israel offered to sell South Africa nuclear weapons | World news | The Guardian
 
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but nothing will be said against them. after all they are the victims of holocaust with a right to roam around and do wateva they lik.

welcome to axis of evil, O noble israel..
 
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haha... welcome to the axis of evil club, O noble israel...

but im sure no one will say anything seriously after all u have a holocaust card to roam around and do wateva u lik ;)
 
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Ahh, lets see how far the US media runs with this story as they would had this been about Pakistan or Iran offering to sell weapons ....

I bet you a cup of coffee , NOTHING would be done and this matter will go unnoticed.;)
 
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The source of this declassification is of course the government of South Africa, who Israel has supposedly attempted to quiet down by different means and moves, but has failed apparently to me. What is more surprising is that the news agency that leaked it was the Guardian. Imagine if it had appeared first on Presstv. This came at a good time however Israel shall be excused.
 
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We need to place sanctions against Israel and South Africa. Israel is the biggest violater of human rights and need to be punished for violating IAEA safe guards.
 
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