Israel Hijacks Aid cargo, executes hostages - Pak journo, Talat Hussain taken hostage

[CAPTAIN AMERICA]

well i have no figures on ''most'' of the Arabs; but as is the case with Central/Latin America, you cannot put them all in the same category or league for economic, leadership, and political reasons.

I should be giving credit to those Palestinians in israel, not to israel itself. They were there first, then israel came later.

I mean --- look at Haifa. It used to be pretty much all Arabs as late as late 1800s; by the time of mass migrations and forced removals (AKA 1948 onwards) -- they became minority.


read the accounts of one Alexander Bligh; he covers the topic of Palestinian minorities in what is today israel

Arabs in Israel seem to have much less to fear and less harsh treatment then Jews had in Arab Countries.. All most all the Jews around one million have been driven from Arab Countries, but only about half the Arabs from Israel and those that are left dont seem to be doing too bad or they would leave too. Take a look at how many Jews are left in each Arab country.
Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim lands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[gambit]

and on a side note, i believe israel should be thankful to Iran -- they took in many many Jews during the atrocities committed against them during holocaust genocide. There is documented proof of this. Yet israelis talk about attacking them.

States or regimes are governments and do not deal with nations or peoples but with or against other regimes. The Iranian regime that saved some Jews during the Holocaust probably did not deny the existence of the Holocaust. But the Iranian regime that currently deny the existence of the Holocaust also supported Hamas and Hezbollah.

 

[FreekiN]

What does Castro think about Israel today?

Fidel Castro's lash against Israel a calculated move - Myriam Marquez - MiamiHerald.com

>"The hatred felt by the state of Israel against the Palestinians is such that they would not hesitate to send the one-and-a-half million men, women and children of that country to the crematoria where millions of Jews of all ages were exterminated by the Nazis,'' Castro sneered in a statement released by Cuban officials at the ill-named U.N. Human Rights Council last week. ``It would seem that the Fuhrer's swastika is today Israel's banner.''

what was the rebuttal?

>"U.S. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz set Cuba straight: ``These outrageous anti-Semitic comments are an insult to the millions of Jews who were systematically killed or tortured by the Nazis. These aren't just the comments of some doddering anti-Semite who is losing his faculties. These malicious comments were officially distributed by Cuba's government. . . . This is yet another glaring example of why we should not expand relations with the Cuban government.''

ANTI SEMITE, ANTI SEMITE...HOLOCAUST SYMPATHY. FEEL BAD FOR ISRAEL!

 

[pshamim]

600,000 Jews were driven from their homes in the middle east
Best I can tell on the Rocket attacks. The study analyzed 114 reported strikes from unmanned aircraft during a six-year period. It says press accounts say the assaults killed up to 1,210 individuals, of whom as many as 850 were described as militants. The analysis says about a third of those killed were civilians. This brings up the question of how many Afghanstans and Pakistinias would the militans kill in the rest of their lives and the price of doing less.

I am not into bashing any one for their views but your arguments show a high degree of ignorance and a childish behavior. Posing as a retired white American is useless. Your choice of words has already exposed you in another thread.

You have also conveniently forgotten 6 million jews slaughtered by Christians but remembered 600,000 driven from their homes by Muslims is nothing but an attempt to malign One Billion Muslims. Your statements expose you to be grieving because India was once ruled by the Muslims. That is where your hatred for Pakistanis originates from and is reflected in your posts.

We have many Indian posters , who are not ashamed of their identity and do not hide it. They may have their views contrary to ours but have my respect for being fair and have a meaningful discussion unlike your efforts to start a pissing and shitting contest.

 

[Meengla]

Arabs in Israel seem to have much less to fear and less harsh treatment then Jews had in Arab Countries.. All most all the Jews around one million have been driven from Arab Countries, but only about half the Arabs from Israel and those that are left dont seem to be doing too bad or they would leave too. Take a look at how many Jews are left in each Arab country.
Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim lands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What you and your kind quite conveniently forget to mention that these Jews have been living in the Arab lands for hundreds of years and started leaving when the Zionists' dream of the State of Israel was coming to reality. What you conveniently forget to mention is that as much of a MILLION JEWS have left the former USSR after the Cold War ended--were they too driven by 'the Muslims'? Ponder the timing of events.
Jews, despite incidence of violence against them occasionally, have found far more welcoming homes in the midst of Arabs, Iranians, and Turks especially when compared with the bigotry of Christians. Holocaust the most recent example of Christian intolerance but Europe had that ugly history for centuries.

Now to the Arabs leaving the historic Palestine: These Arabs did not leave for some 'Promised Land'. They were forced to leave--the Naqba-- around 1948. They remain refugees, according the same UN whose 'Partition Plan' you Israeli supporters so frequently quote. How many people talk about Jewish 'refugees'?

You cannot compare the plight of the 4+ million Palestinian refugees, scattered over the Arab world with those of the Jewish migrants--mostly by choice--who enjoy some of the highest living standard of living in the Middle East. Backed up American $$

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Protestors Block Israeli Cargo in California
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Hundreds of pro-Palestinian demonstrators gathered at the Port of Oakland before dawn Sunday in a bid to prevent an Israeli cargo ship from unloading for the day.

Richard Becker ANSWER Coalition, one of the groups which organized the protest, told the San Francisco Chronicle: "Our objective was to boycott this ship for 24 hours, and we succeeded in doing that."

The newspaper reported that the demonstrators first gathered before dawn at Berth 58, where a ship from Israel's Zim shipping line was scheduled to dock Sunday, first in the morning then in the afternoon. It eventually arrived around 6 pm, Becker said, but by that time the dockworkers had agreed not to show up to unload the vessel.


Becker said some workers showed up for the morning shift, but virtually none did for the second. All agreed not to unload the ship or cross the picket lines, citing concern for their personal safety. There were no reports of violence or arrests.

Clips posted on YouTube show the protestors marching to the port, chanting "free Palestine" and waving Turkish and Palestinian flags. They held signs calling for the boycott of Israeli goods and an end to the American aid to Israel.

The protest's leader said the dockworkers should refuse to accept "Israeli apartheid goods" and that the protestors' goal was to block the unloading for a total of 24 hours. He compared it to the struggle in South Africa in the 1980s, when many places refused to deal with the racist regime.

"We want to send a clear message that if you commit acts of piracy on the high sea, if you go and attack civilians and kill them in cold blood, execution style, if you put Gaza under siege, if you build an apartheid wall, if you have a racist nut for a foreign minister like Avigdor Lieberman, who is calling for the expulsion of the Palestinian people from 1948, that we will not honor your Israeli commerce right here in this town."

The Oakland Port is not the first to witness an anti-Israel protest. Several days after the death of nine pro-Palestinian activists in a Navy raid on a Gaza-bound flotilla, Swedish dockworkers launched a weeklong boycott of Israeli ships and goods.

Peter Annerback, a spokesman for the Swedish Port Workers Union which has around 1,500 members, said workers were urged to refuse handling of Israeli goods and ships during the June 15-24 boycott.

In a statement, the union said the reason for the boycott "is the unprecedented criminal attack on the peaceful ship convoy In Gaza. Several peace activists were killed by Israeli commandos and other participants were detained without any reason."

It also urged other unions and organizations to join them through similar initiatives and called for Israel to be brought to justice for the attack and that it respects international law "and that the blockade of Gaza immediately lifted."

Al-ManarTV:: Protestors Block Israeli Cargo in California 21/06/2010

 

[CAPTAIN AMERICA]

What you and your kind quite conveniently forget to mention that these Jews have been living in the Arab lands for hundreds of years and started leaving when the Zionists' dream of the State of Israel was coming to reality. What you conveniently forget to mention is that as much of a MILLION JEWS have left the former USSR after the Cold War ended--were they too driven by 'the Muslims'? Ponder the timing of events.
Jews, despite incidence of violence against them occasionally, have found far more welcoming homes in the midst of Arabs, Iranians, and Turks especially when compared with the bigotry of Christians. Holocaust the most recent example of Christian intolerance but Europe had that ugly history for centuries.

Now to the Arabs leaving the historic Palestine: These Arabs did not leave for some 'Promised Land'. They were forced to leave--the Naqba-- around 1948. They remain refugees, according the same UN whose 'Partition Plan' you Israeli supporters so frequently quote. How many people talk about Jewish 'refugees'?

You cannot compare the plight of the 4+ million Palestinian refugees, scattered over the Arab world with those of the Jewish migrants--mostly by choice--who enjoy some of the highest living standard of living in the Middle East. Backed up American $$

I doubt if all the Jews left for the Promise Land either.
The Palestinian refugees are approximately 726,000 Christians and Muslims (amounting to 75% of the Arab population of Palestine) who resided in what is now Israel and who fled or were expelled prior to, during and after the 1948 War to create a state for Jews in Palestine. They and their descendents are often referred to as the “1948 refugees.” See map: Population Movements, 1948-1951,
:: Negotiations Affairs Department ::

In 1967, an additional 200,000 Palestinians [2] fled their homes in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip when Israel launched a war against Jordan and Egypt, capturing and occupying the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip (the Occupied Palestinian Territories). They and their descendents are often referred to as the “1967 displaced persons.”

Neither the 1948 refugees nor the 1967 displaced persons have been allowed by Israel to return to their homes in what is now Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories.


About a million Jews were run out of Muslim Countries and about million Palestinians were run out of Israel, seems pretty even to me. It really dont matter neither Israel or the Jews are going anywhere.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

About a million Jews were run out of Muslim Countries and about million Palestinians were run out of Israel, seems pretty even to me. It really dont matter neither Israel or the Jews are going anywhere.

no it isnt even. The Palestinians are indigenous to the land. Many israeli ''citizens'' were born and/or hail from Europe --especially Germany, Austria, Poland and Russia.

They have no ethnic or racial ties to remotely ANYWHERE in the middle east. Judaism is not a race; its only just a religion. It is important for people here to never fall victim to the propaganda that ''Jew'' is a race or nationality. That is a giant load of bullshit.






p.s. Wealthy Jews Now Leaving Israel


Its silly to blame Palestinian militants when there have hardly even been any terrorist incidents in what is called israeli territory. Little to NONE at all.


Israelis leave the country for many reasons. Ms Max says she and her family did not decide to go because of the violence. "I'm leaving because I've always wanted to," she says. "I came here as a Zionist but found Israeli culture was very different from what I was used to." She stayed, she says, first because she met her husband, then for her children.

Israelis Leave Their 'Promised Land' Forced Out By A Battered Economy And Years Of Violence

 

[Meengla]

Again, you are evading the issue of timing. Those 1 million Jews were 'run out' around the time of the creation of Israel. Considering that they had lived in Muslim lands for hundreds of years, it is fair to assume that their running-out had at least something to do with their 'choice' to make the 'Aaliyah'? The proof of Aaliya or willing-migration is that it has been happening since 1948--the recent influx of USSR Jews is a good example--tells me that most of these Jewish 'expulsion' was a result of intentional migration to the 'Promised Land'.
Compare that with the Palestinians--they had no where to go except the refugee camps and life of second-class citizens. Would they have 'migrated' by choice? No. They were forced out.

 

[CAPTAIN AMERICA]

I have wondred for years and still do is this hate of Muslems for the Jews because of the plight of the palestinian people or is it simply racial an religious biggotry. Guess it could be some of both.

 

[EjazR]

^^^
If you look at the complete history with a neutral eye, you will see that Muslims on average did not have religious bigotry as compared to for example the Christians in Europe. Interestingly even today, there are more Jews in Ahmedinajad's Iran(20,000-30,000) than say in India (around 6,000). What is to be noted here is that even though thousands of Jews from India migrated to Israel for whatever reasons, the Iranian Jews choose to stay in Iran.

So certainly, it doesn't seem to be a muslim-jewish conflict here.

Even the Palestine-Israel struggle was a Arab-Israeli conflict until the 80s. Arafat, Nasser and other Arab leaders never gave it a religious tinge. It was a fight against Zionism not Judaism. It was only post 80s when groups like Hizbulla and Hamas came about. So the narrative of this being a Muslim-Jewish conflict (Which it is not btw) is quite recent.

Ironically, it was the Israeli govt. that supported the growth of HAMAS so as to undercut the influence of a secular Arafat and his PLO

 

[fallstuff]

I have wondred for years and still do is this hate of Muslems for the Jews because of the plight of the palestinian people or is it simply racial an religious biggotry. Guess it could be some of both.

The conflict between European Christian and Jews go back at least a thousand years. Jews were evicted and slaughtered by almost every European nation.

The conflict between Jews and Muslims, mainly Arabs is about 60-65 years old and manufactured solely by an European country, UK.

 

[afriend]

Flotilla activists attacked israeli soldiers and got their *** kicked..!! Typical terrorists style.. fingiring first.. and getting it back.. and then crying out loud of injustice. Hmm.. very unfortunate.!!!

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

off topic, but i found this interesting

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Flotilla activists attacked israeli soldiers and got their *** kicked..!! Typical terrorists style.. fingiring first.. and getting it back.. and then crying out loud of injustice. Hmm.. very unfortunate.!!!

you called them activists and terrorists in 2 different sentences. So which is it?

And it was israelis who stormed their boat after being air dropped. What the hell do ya expect? They'll sit down and ask them to join for cup of tea?