Israel Hijacks Aid cargo, executes hostages - Pak journo, Talat Hussain taken hostage

[blain2]

^^^

Muslims in India particularly dont care about palestine so much and they have no issues with Israel as well.

GOI has no domestic complusion to show unnecessary solidarity with arabs like pakistan has. Hence number of pak sponsored reolutions etc etc.

I am not commenting about the need for India to do anything. Muslims in India matter little if the GoI wants to chummy up to Israel more which is the case on hand. I am simply negating the point that India has done more for Palestine than Pakistan, which was the point that EjazR had made and is not true.

 

[Xeric]

I believe you may have your facts wrong there. A book review of "Charlie Wilsons War" by the Pakistani daily times is as follows.
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

Pakistan got Israeli weapons during Afghan war

Daily Times Monitor

WASHINGTON: Most of the Afghan war against the Soviet Union was fought using Israeli arms supplied after General Ziaul Haq entered into secret deals with Tel Aviv, says a recently published book, Charlie Wilson’s War: The Extraordinary Story of the Largest Covert Operation in History.

The book reveals that the Pakistan Army was not averse to secret defence cooperation with Israel, although it did not acknowledge any contact with that country publicly. Congressman Charles Wilson — a pro-Pakistan activist and the central figure to get CIA-funded weapons for Pakistan — is credited in the 550-page book as the man who broke up the Soviet Union with the help of a 48-year old Houston woman “whom General Ziaul Haq fancied”.

The book claims that Wilson asked Zia to deal with the Israelis during his first visit to US after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The proposal was made at a grand dinner hosted by the Houston lady, Joanne Herring, who was later named as Honorary Consul of Pakistan.

The book says that Charlie Wilson informed Zia the Israelis had shown him the “vast stores of Soviet weapons they had captured from the PLO in Lebanon”. The weapons were perfect for the mujahideen. If Wilson could convince the CIA to buy them, would Zia have any problems passing them on to the Afghans? Zia, ever the pragmatist, smiled, saying, “Just don’t put any Stars of David on the boxes”.

“With that encouragement,” the narrative goes on, “Wilson pushed on. Just the previous month, he had learned that the Israelis were secretly upgrading the Chinese army’s Russian-designed T-55 tanks. In Islamabad, he had been startled to see that the Chinese were supplying Pakistan with T-55s. The congressman now proposed that Zia enter into a similar secret arrangement with the Israelis.

“It was no simple proposition. Three years earlier, a mere rumor that Israel had been involved in an attack on the Great Mosque in Mecca had so radicalized the Pakistani Muslim population that thousands had stormed the US embassy in Pakistan and burned it to the ground. Zia was mindful of his people’s hatred for both Israel and the United States [but] he encouraged Wilson to continue.”

The Congressman cut the Pak-Israel deal “even without CIA knowledge”. The CIA man in Islamabad, Howard Hart, when asked years later, if he knew about Wilson’s efforts to bring the Israelis into the Afghan war, dismissed the story out of hand, insisting that the Pakistanis would never have permitted it. Yet, an astonishing collection of weapons was developed for the Afghan war in no time. The Spanish mortar, for example, was designed to make it possible for the mujahideen to communicate directly with American navigation satellites to deliver repeated rounds within inches of their designated targets.

The weapon’s name was chosen to conceal the fact that major portions of the gun were being built by the Israelis, claims the book.

It was decided that a new weapon would be introduced into the battle every three months or so, in order to bluff the Red Army into thinking their enemy was better armed and supported than it was.

The book has been selling well in the USA but is still not available in Pakistan.

i havent read the book, but have seen the movie. This story is a bit different that that shown in the film. Zia never directly dealt with israelis instead the yanks diverted the stuff to Pakistan nor did he 'smile' and said “Just don’t put any Stars of David on the boxes”, instead he said (paraphrased) if i saw any/dont you dare put any Star of David on those boxes or that be the end of it.

 

[blain2]

I believe you may have your facts wrong there. A book review of "Charlie Wilsons War" by the Pakistani daily times is as follows.
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

Pakistan got Israeli weapons during Afghan war

Daily Times Monitor

WASHINGTON: Most of the Afghan war against the Soviet Union was fought using Israeli arms supplied after General Ziaul Haq entered into secret deals with Tel Aviv, says a recently published book, Charlie Wilson’s War: The Extraordinary Story of the Largest Covert Operation in History.

The book reveals that the Pakistan Army was not averse to secret defence cooperation with Israel, although it did not acknowledge any contact with that country publicly. Congressman Charles Wilson — a pro-Pakistan activist and the central figure to get CIA-funded weapons for Pakistan — is credited in the 550-page book as the man who broke up the Soviet Union with the help of a 48-year old Houston woman “whom General Ziaul Haq fancied”.

The book claims that Wilson asked Zia to deal with the Israelis during his first visit to US after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The proposal was made at a grand dinner hosted by the Houston lady, Joanne Herring, who was later named as Honorary Consul of Pakistan.

The book says that Charlie Wilson informed Zia the Israelis had shown him the “vast stores of Soviet weapons they had captured from the PLO in Lebanon”. The weapons were perfect for the mujahideen. If Wilson could convince the CIA to buy them, would Zia have any problems passing them on to the Afghans? Zia, ever the pragmatist, smiled, saying, “Just don’t put any Stars of David on the boxes”.

“With that encouragement,” the narrative goes on, “Wilson pushed on. Just the previous month, he had learned that the Israelis were secretly upgrading the Chinese army’s Russian-designed T-55 tanks. In Islamabad, he had been startled to see that the Chinese were supplying Pakistan with T-55s. The congressman now proposed that Zia enter into a similar secret arrangement with the Israelis.

“It was no simple proposition. Three years earlier, a mere rumor that Israel had been involved in an attack on the Great Mosque in Mecca had so radicalized the Pakistani Muslim population that thousands had stormed the US embassy in Pakistan and burned it to the ground. Zia was mindful of his people’s hatred for both Israel and the United States [but] he encouraged Wilson to continue.”

The Congressman cut the Pak-Israel deal “even without CIA knowledge”. The CIA man in Islamabad, Howard Hart, when asked years later, if he knew about Wilson’s efforts to bring the Israelis into the Afghan war, dismissed the story out of hand, insisting that the Pakistanis would never have permitted it. Yet, an astonishing collection of weapons was developed for the Afghan war in no time. The Spanish mortar, for example, was designed to make it possible for the mujahideen to communicate directly with American navigation satellites to deliver repeated rounds within inches of their designated targets.

The weapon’s name was chosen to conceal the fact that major portions of the gun were being built by the Israelis, claims the book.

It was decided that a new weapon would be introduced into the battle every three months or so, in order to bluff the Red Army into thinking their enemy was better armed and supported than it was.

The book has been selling well in the USA but is still not available in Pakistan.

Read your own article more carefully please. I have read the book a couple of times over and am not wrong on my facts or the general gist here.

The Congressman cut the Pak-Israel deal “even without CIA knowledge”. The CIA man in Islamabad, Howard Hart, when asked years later, if he knew about Wilson’s efforts to bring the Israelis into the Afghan war, dismissed the story out of hand, insisting that the Pakistanis would never have permitted it. Yet, an astonishing collection of weapons was developed for the Afghan war in no time. The Spanish mortar, for example, was designed to make it possible for the mujahideen to communicate directly with American navigation satellites to deliver repeated rounds within inches of their designated targets.

The weapon’s name was chosen to conceal the fact that major portions of the gun were being built by the Israelis, claims the book.

Afghan Mujahideen never got anything from the Israeli stock of captured Palestinian/arab arms. The Israelis opened up the stocks to show captured Egyptian and other Arab hardware but there were no takers. My point about the source of weaponry from Egypt stands.

If you read the book, it mentions nothing about the Spanish mortar doing much fighting because the system was found to be too complicated for use by the Mujahideen and not pushed out (meeting the same fate as the useless Blowpipe SAM and many other systems like Oerlikon AAA which required a company of donkeys to move it into an area of interest). So please understand that while there may have been some pushers, the fact stands Pakistan at no time accepted any Israeli origin equipment and nothing of the sorts made it out to the groups fighting the Soviets.

 

[pkd]

FACING A CROWD: A Palestinian woman whose house has been occupied by Jewish settlers argued with Israelis who came to celebrate Jerusalem Day in the mainly Arab neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah, East Jerusalem, Wednesday. (Ahmad Gharabli/Agence France-Presse/Getty Images)

Pictures of the Week: May 9 - May 14 - Photo Journal - WSJ

Very sadistic scums.

 

[Kompromat]

Very apt analysis of the remarks made by the Turk Pres.

Politicians always play for the gallery.

BTW, I don think it will make a diff to Israel.

You are right People with Nazi mentality wont understand words , "Laton kay bhoot baton se Nhi Mantay".

 

[Kompromat]

they are some people who didn"'t like it in Israel
and they are some people who make fun of dead people
YouTube - Flotilla Choir presents: We Con the World
new york fun way???

Its one big propaganda video which zionists are really good at.

 

[IceCold]

^^^
Lets see what pakistan and KSA do now.

Pakistan has already condemned the incident and also was able to bring Pakistanis back home safely. Nothing more should be expected and rightly so.

 

[LegionnairE]

I have different take on this.

The present situation is too hot in the Turkey and Isreal, but give it few months every thing will be back to almost normal.
Even now no drastic steps have been taken by both sides like cutting of business relations.

You are so wrong my friend, people in Turkey never liked Israel because of their actions against palestinans but I always said:

"I dont care palestine, they been a traitor to Ottoman Empire, after hundereds of years they been protected by the empire they rewarded it by killing Turks, now let them burn in their own hell"

But now, Israel spilled Turkish blood, They will pay dearly for this

And im calm if you compare me with others, You can see this anger in every face you see in here

 

[Parashuram1]

Take it down; there's going to be no war. A maximum of political standoff will continue for a few months whereby United States will intervene this. United States always does intervene where it feels their boat is close to dangerous waters.

 

[Thomas]

@blain2

The underlined portion is taken from the book and goes on further to state.

"The Congressman cut the Pak-Israel deal “even without CIA knowledge”. The CIA man in Islamabad, Howard Hart, when asked years later, if he knew about Wilson’s efforts to bring the Israelis into the Afghan war, dismissed the story out of hand, insisting that the Pakistanis would never have permitted it."

here is what is left out. "Yet right under hart's nose, Wilson had proposed just such an arrangement, and Zia and his high command had signed on to implement it."

 

[Tiger Awan]

I have different take on this.

The present situation is too hot in the Turkey and Isreal, but give it few months every thing will be back to almost normal.
Even now no drastic steps have been taken by both sides like cutting of business relations.

o really???

You kill some one and even do not feel guilty and things will be normal in few months???

 

[blain2]

@blain2

The underlined portion is taken from the book and goes on further to state.

"The Congressman cut the Pak-Israel deal “even without CIA knowledge”. The CIA man in Islamabad, Howard Hart, when asked years later, if he knew about Wilson’s efforts to bring the Israelis into the Afghan war, dismissed the story out of hand, insisting that the Pakistanis would never have permitted it."

here is what is left out. "Yet right under hart's nose, Wilson had proposed just such an arrangement, and Zia and his high command had signed on to implement it."

Thomas,

There is more to it in the 400 plus page book. I stand by what I have stated. The interesting thing about the book is the details around what was provided, how it was used or not used. Certainly quite a bit more detail than any other account of the Afghan war in English.

 

[Dr.Evil]

"I dont care palestine, they been a traitor to Ottoman Empire, after hundereds of years they been protected by the empire they rewarded it by killing Turks, now let them burn in their own hell"

Wasn't the case more like they were occupied and a colony of Ottaman empire and all the Arabs wanted was freedom from the empire.

 

[hillman32]

Turkey is a great country and Turks are great Nation.

I admire them.

I support them on Palestinian Cause. Israel is a Global Terrorist Illegal State.

All Pakistanis are with me on this Issue.

 

[LegionnairE]

Wasn't the case more like they were occupied and a colony of Ottaman empire and all the Arabs wanted was freedom from the empire.

We protected them from crusades, They preferred british against us...
Thats the case

But yea, you are right, let them live their freedom now