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Israel Hijacks Aid cargo, executes hostages - Pak journo, Talat Hussain taken hostage

They were bringing aid regardless of the message they were trying to pass. They were bringing food and medicines to people unable to meet basic needs resulting from an oppressive regime's dictatorial and inhumane control over the region.


This is where we disagree sir. If their prime motive was bringing aid, their methods could have been very different. They could have tried to pass the aid through Egypt. Instead, they chose the water route. Plus they chose to bring along huge amounts of media rather than aid workers.

Their motive was media attention, and now, unfortunately, they have it.
 
Agreed that provocation and murder are two different things. It was a stupid decision by Israel, but they were being provoked. Israel offered to resolve the situation peacefully but the protesters refused, instead choosing to continue their actions. Yes, it was a stupid decision by the Israelis.
Israel isn't a kid with a bad temper. It's a country, a sovereign state and should have the brains to deal with such a situation peacefully and tactfully. Clearly they did not. It can mean one of two things (generalizing by a big brush)

1) Israel thought it could get away with an armed assault. They might have thought that there would no civilian casualties but they thought that they would get away with such an armed assault courtesy some big players in the intl community who are more than willing to suck their genitalia.

2) Israel committed an utter, utter mistake. Perhaps even a failure of the chain of command. Such a big failure is unlikely to happen though.

What we are protesting is the 'humanitarian aid mission' title being awarded to the protesters. Their mission was entirely political in nature. Otherwise, the protests would have been extended against Egypt as well.

Is it a crime to do a political protest against Israel? Does protesting against Israel mean that one must get a bullet in his brain?

Israel has made a terrible mistake. The flag flying on the flotilla wasn't a Jordanian one or a Saudi. It was a red and white Turkish flag and Turkey knows how to defend itself besides its elevated position amongst the comity of nations. Ardogan has Netanyahu by the balls now. Let's see how things roll out.
 
I have a great idea, lets send the Taliban, Jamaat e Islami, Deobandi and the league of extremists to Israel by Boat.

All our problems will be solved.
 
This is where we disagree sir. If their prime motive was bringing aid, their methods could have been very different. They could have tried to pass the aid through Egypt. Instead, they chose the water route. Plus they chose to bring along huge amounts of media rather than aid workers.

Their motive was media attention, and now, unfortunately, they have it.

How do you know that israel was going to giv everything and not remove/keep some of it. You can never trust a stranger. and whats the problem if they gave the aid themsevles? :hang2:
 
Finally a rational opinion.

Agreed that provocation and murder are two different things. It was a stupid decision by Israel, but they were being provoked. Israel offered to resolve the situation peacefully but the protesters refused, instead choosing to continue their actions. Yes, it was a stupid decision by the Israelis.

What we are protesting is the 'humanitarian aid mission' title being awarded to the protesters. Their mission was entirely political in nature. Otherwise, the protests would have been extended against Egypt as well.

'Stupid'?! 'Provoked'?!
Wah, ji Wah! Then some idiot can say the same thing about Kassab being 'stupid'.
Israel's action was an act of TERRORISM! Just like Kassab's was. Don't try to obfuscate and use dual language. Your hypocrisy and double-talk is for the world to see. And yet your words are embarassing even a few of your fellow countrymen who are willing to stick their necks out and recognize who is majorly wrong here: Israel!

Again and again you are missing the point: The Flotilla was raising awareness about the Siege of Gaza in the one possible way it might have gotten the world's attention. The Flotilla knew the dangers and that's why it picked up a large number of prominent Western/Non-Muslim volunteers to try to shield itself. Would heaven have fallen if they were let through?!

I guess the heaven might fall next time if the reports of Turkish navy escorting the next Flotilla through the Interntional Waters is true. Perhaps then people like you may decide to stay quieter because force will be matched with force? Or perhaps your hatred of anything Pakistan--and by extension Muslim--is so deep that you will still carry on with the usual double talk?
 
Israel isn't a kid with a bad temper. It's a country, a sovereign state and should have the brains to deal with such a situation peacefully and tactfully. Clearly they did not. It can mean one of two things (generalizing by a big brush)

1) Israel thought it could get away with an armed assault. They might have thought that there would no civilian casualties but they thought that they would get away with such an armed assault courtesy some big players in the intl community who are more than willing to suck their genitalia.

2) Israel committed an utter, utter mistake. Perhaps even a failure of the chain of command. Such a big failure is unlikely to happen though.


Israel has made a terrible mistake. The flag flying on the flotilla wasn't a Jordanian one or a Saudi. It was a red and white Turkish flag and Turkey knows how to defend itself besides its elevated position amongst the comity of nations. Ardogan has Netanyahu by the balls now. Let's see how things roll out.


Indeed. Agreed with every single word there.

Is it a crime to do a political protest against Israel? Does protesting against Israel mean that one must get a bullet in his brain?

Nope, but it is double standard to label a political protest as humanitarian aid.
 
Im no expert nor some super highly educated intellectual...but id like to say here tht wat israel did today..... if somebody supports the bloodshed of innocent. Hes either a sick creep or I love dady israel coz it gives us weapons hipocrite blind moron.
Peace and for israel i wish the same barbarity and bloodshed tht it inflicts upon innocent be it by martyring mosques,killing innocent children, or killing innocents who were working for humanity.
 
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Ehud Barak: Flotilla organizers to blame for 15 dead activists

Defense Minister Ehud Barak said in a press conference on Monday that while he was sorry for lives lost, the organizers of the Gaza-bound protest flotilla were solely responsible for the outcome of the fatal IDF raid earlier in the day. Fifteen activists were killed and dozens wounded in the violent clashes.

Barak said that the soldiers tried to disperse the activists aboard the ship peacefully but were forced to open fire to protect themselves.

He called the flotilla a provocation, specifically called the IHH, an Islamic aid organization, "extremist supporters of terror."

The defense minister also called on Arab and Palestinian leaders not to let this "provocation by irresponsible people" ruin the progress made in proximity peace talks.

IDF Chief of General Staff Lt.-Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi said Monday that the violence aboard the Mavi Marmara, one of the ships of the Gaza-bound protest flotilla, was instigated by those aboard the ships and that soldiers who opened fire were defending themselves.

Ashkenazi noted that the Mavi Marmara, the only ship on which violence took place, was different than the other five ships of the flotilla. He said that five ships carried humanitarians and peace activists but the Mavi Marmara was sponsored by the extremist organization the IHH and those aboard acted in "extreme violence."

Israeli Navy commander Vice-Admiral Eliezer Marom said Monday that IDF soldiers that raided Mavi Marmara acted with "perseverance and bravery."

Marom said that the soldiers lives were in danger and that they fired their weapons in self defense. He added that given the situation, many more than ten people could have been killed if the soldiers had not acted with the proper sensitivity.

Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon said that the flotilla of ships "was an armada of hate and violence."

Speaking at a Jerusalem press conference on Monday morning. "It was a premeditated and outrageous provocation" and its organizers had ties to global Jihad, al Qaida and Hamas, said Ayalon.

"Their intent was violent, their methods were violent and their results were unfortunately violent," Ayalon said.

"Israel regrets the loss of life and did everything it could to avoid this outcome," Ayalon stressed, adding that Israel had offered to transport the humanitarian cargo on board the ship to Gaza.

"The organizers on the ship did not heed the calls of our forces this morning to peacefully follow them and bring a peaceful closure to this event," said Ayalon, iterating that the successful arrival of the flotilla in Gaza would have created "a corridor of arms smuggling."

The Foreign Ministry has convened a noon meeting of all ambassadors in the country. The Turkish ambassador was requested to arrive half-an-hour early for a private conversation.

Political echelons, security and police hurried to respond on Monday to deadly clashes that took place earlier in the day between Navy commandos and members of a Turkish flotilla bound for Gaza.

Kadima chair Tzipi Livni called Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman and Defense Minister Ehud Barak to offer her help in dealing with the diplomatic crisis Israel was likely to face in the aftermath of the violent incident.

Livni's party mate Kadima Council head Haim Ramon attacked Netanyahu's government for mishandling the Gaza flotilla affair.

In Canada, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu was getting constant updates on the clashes, a foreign ministry spokesman told Army Radio. Netanyahu is in Canada as part of a trip that has him slated to meet Tuesday with US President Barack Obama.

The IDF and police were preparing for the possibility of demonstrations and violence among Palestinians as well as Israeli-Arabs on Monday, amid reports of up to 15 dead.

Northern District police chief Cmdr. Shimon Koren completed an evaluation of the security situation in the North on Monday morning, and ordered a high state of alert and instructed police officers to be ready "for the possibility of any scenario or attempt to cause a disturbance."

Also Monday morning, Israeli NGO Gush Shalom was set to demonstrate in support of the "Free Gaza" convoy, according to an email circulated by the group.

The demonstrators intend to converge outside the center in Ashdod where the detained international aid activists are supposed to be held.

Meanwhile, Public Security Minister Yittzhak Aharonovitch cancelled a planned appearance at an anti-violence march in Lod scheduled for Monday. The march will go ahead as planned.

Barak: Flotilla organizers to blame for 15 dead activists
 

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