Israel Hijacks Aid cargo, executes hostages - Pak journo, Talat Hussain taken hostage

[Ahmad]

What pisses me off is the fact that Jamat-e-Islami is now going to play the religion card and as can be seen are coming out in large numbers and protesting in karachi and all over Pakistan. These tool heads just need an excuse to bring religion into everything.

This is clearly a humanitarian issue not a religious one.. people in Pakistan need to control their anger. One of the silly comments i read was for an open invitation to War... as if this is in Pakistan's interest.

yes that is true. and you will see that those protesters will burn shops, cars and kill a few fellow citizens why zionists enjoy their time.

 

[Dr.Evil]

Look, in the eyes of criminal law provocation and murder are entirely different things. This was not criminally inciting murder.

The humanitarian mission had a clear message. They could have taken another route but Israel had to be given a message that the International community will not take more of its BS and let Israel control the situation entirely and dictate the routes taken by foreign aid missions.

They were in international waters. Had they been just a micrometer outside Israel's territorial or contiguous zones or exclusive economic zones, they still would have been under the sovereign jurisdiction of the flag they were flying.

I'm not taking the BS of the people being armed. It can most definitely be imagined that a couple would have gotten agitated and perhaps tried to manhandle an armed IDF soldier, who being trigger friendly and having no concern whatsoever of human life killed the people in response. It is beyond comprehension that they attacked the soldiers. Utterly beyond comprehension.

If you were to give blame on a scale of 1 to 10 then Israel gets a 9.8 and the aid convoy organizers 0.2.

I cannot imagine how you people can support such an utterly inhumane, cowardly attack and call yourselves sane, rational and reasonable humans. Perhaps geo-politics has polluted minds beyond reason and logic.

I am not condoning the death of the people, but I am saying the sponsors and the organisers had thier own beef with Israel and those innocent people were used as cannon fodder.

Israel acted stupidly and they could have waited for those ship to come into their territorial waters before they could take any action.

Both the parties are to be blamed for the mess created. You just cannot blame one party and say other party is an angel.

 

[Dr.Evil]

Shut the f**k up, i was upset. Evil

Would you mind your language, else get ready to be treated in the same way & your post reported for personal abuse.

 

[T-Faz]

Its better to die fighting for what you believe in then turn a blind eye for the plight of innocents.

This act of terrorism sends a strong message that the state of Israel does not adhere to international laws and has to be taught to do so.

 

[Meengla]

This is not a Humanitarian Mission but rather a propaganda mission and It seems that they have won this round.

A report saying a very young child died. What the heck that is child doing on that ship, its the carelessness and irresponsible nature of the organisers when they were quite aware of the kind of response from Israel.

May be the child was there because the parents--even in their worst nightmare--did not think that Israelis would be foolish enough to go the violant route considering there were prominent non-Muslim, Western participants on-board. Had it been only Arab/Muslims the Flotilla would not have taken off, knowing quite well the history of their solo-engagements with Israel.

May be the child was there because the parents thought that, just like in another previous encounter, the Israelis would disable the ship and tow them away from Gaza? But Israeli commandoes boarding the ship was unimaginable to the participants but that unimaginable did happen with bloody consequences.

I don't think these people on the Flotilla were some right-wing Islamic nutjobs. They consciously knew what they were doing: Raising awareness about the siege in a way the world would FINALLY listen. And the world has listened.

By the way, I have closely followed the NY Times 'Comments' section related to articles about the Israeli-Palestinians coflicts. And it heartens me to say that educated, apparently non-Muslim Americans--common Americans-- are over-whelmingly pro-Palestinians in the Comments. And this can once again be proven should NY Times Editorial--a different kind of beast, might i add--allow Comments today. This is despite Israel's 'Megaphone' brigade of holy warriors online.

However, Indians will remain Indians. At least that's what I see by looking at most of their Comments today; I won't even bother with Bharat Rakshak today.

 

[EjazR]

Ahmad there is simply no point arguing with these guys, this has been going on since morning. Some of them are defending these horrific crimes, just because india and israerl are allies.

PS for those who are slow and dont understand properly, my comments above are not in condemnation of india. Nor am I blaming india for any thing. My comments are in condemnation of the indians who are condoning these acts either directly or indirectly.

Israel and India have a primarily military partnership. India is as much an ally of Israel as Turkey is if you want to use the word.
GoI has publicly condemned Israeli actions at times. For example, most recently in 2009 India voted for War Crimes Report and an investigation during the Israeli invasion of Gaza in 2008-2009 in the UN along with other countries.

Indian PM condemns Gaza strikes, supports Palestinians-2009

 

[Ahmad]

I am not condoning the death of the people, but I am saying the sponsors and the organisers had thier own beef with Israel and those innocent people were used as cannon fodder.

Israel acted stupidly and they could have waited for those ship to come into their territorial waters before they could take any action.

Both the parties are to be blamed for the mess created. You just cannot blame one party and say other party is an angel.

you are acting like the american gov, when israelis build more of the illegal settlements and the palestinian decide to strike or call off the negotiantions, the americans come and condemn both of parties instead of trying to point out the main culprit, you are doing the same thing here.

 

[Marxist]

Netanyahu to continue Canada-US trip: Israeli official

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu would stay in Canada and not return home in the wake of a deadly navy raid which killed up to 19 people, a senior official with the delegation said on Monday.

"The prime minister is not leaving, he will carry on with his schedule," the official told reporters in Ottawa.

An AFP correspondent travelling with the delegation said the situation was one of "complete confusion."

"First were were ordered to pack, then we were told to put everything on hold," he said, adding that an official had said members of the delegation were currently "in consultations."

Netanyahu cancelled a press briefing due later in the morning but was expected to go ahead with a scheduled joint press conference with his Canadian counterpart Stephen Harper at 11:00 am (1500 GMT), the correspondent said.

Earlier, Israel public radio had reported that Netanyahu was to cut short his trip to return home in the wake of a deadly pre-dawn raid by the Israeli navy on a fleet of aid ships carrying hundreds of foreign activists, which left up to 19 dead -- most of them reportedly Turkish.

The Israeli leader is due to visit the White House on Tuesday for talks with US President Barack Obama, aimed at mending ties between the two allies which have been strained due to a spat over Jewish settlements.

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[Ahmad]

Israel and India have a primarily military partnership. India is as much an ally of Israel as Turkey is if you want to use the word.
GoI has publicly condemned Israeli actions at times. For example, most recently in 2009 India voted for War Crimes Report and an investigation during the Israeli invasion of Gaza in 2008-2009 in the UN along with other countries.

thanks for the information.

 

[sparklingway]

I am not condoning the death of the people, but I am saying the sponsors and the organisers had thier own beef with Israel and those innocent people were used as cannon fodder.

Israel acted stupidly and they could have waited for those ship to come into their territorial waters before they could take any action.

They were bringing aid regardless of the message they were trying to pass. They were bringing food and medicines to people unable to meet basic needs resulting from an oppressive regime's dictatorial and inhumane control over the region.

The attackers were armed and barbarians. They killed people. Food and medicines don't kill people.

I seriously hope that the EU responds in unison and this time the US can be pushed to let go off its blowjobs to Israel.

Both the parties are to be blamed for the mess created. You just cannot blame one party and say other party is an angel.

Barbarian Forces 1 - Aid convoy 0

Organizers deserve no blame. Had Israel just arrested them when they landed at the port, it would have been a different case. They killed people in international waters. The world should not forget this barbarian act. I hope this is the final nail in the coffin of Israeli blockades in the middle east peace process.

 

[Aslan]

Israel and India have a primarily military partnership. India is as much an ally of Israel as Turkey is if you want to use the word.
GoI has publicly condemned Israeli actions at times. For example, most recently in 2009 India voted for War Crimes Report and an investigation during the Israeli invasion of Gaza in 2008-2009 in the UN along with other countries.

Ejaz Sahib out of every one else I was not expecting you to come swinging. I hope that you would understand the context I made those points in. And to whom it were directed. And also as I had mentioned that I am not criticizing india in any way shape or form. And are there any statements from the GOI today. Just curious because so far I have not seen one. And again, please understand the point that I was making and to whom it was directed to.

A slight correction Turkey was an ally to the israelis. And after today I dont think that that will last longer.

 

[T-Faz]

Do this to ask Obama to cancel his meeting with the Israeli PM tomorrow.

Daily Kos: Contact Obama to Cancel Tomorrow's Israeli PM Visit!

 

[Neither Right Nor Wrong]

Israelis think by playing their holocaust card they are able to gather sympathies of entire world so can get away with anything....they think they are above the laws ,which apply to the rest of the world...this time they have gone too far..Now Turkey has them by their balls.

 

[P.kid]

I am not condoning the death of the people, but I am saying the sponsors and the organisers had thier own beef with Israel and those innocent people were used as cannon fodder.

Israel acted stupidly and they could have waited for those ship to come into their territorial waters before they could take any action.

Both the parties are to be blamed for the mess created. You just cannot blame one party and say other party is an angel.

Are you mad? Give me the stuff ur on. Nar i jke Majority of the blame should go on israel. Care explain in detail why is it beef sending god damn food supplies+medical supp. to people in need of it. My two cents but israel will put weapons on that boat and proclaim that the people on the boat were using them to provide stuff to the milita.

 

[prodevelopment]

Look, in the eyes of criminal law provocation and murder are entirely different things. This was not criminally inciting murder either. Are you suggesting that if I walk into a gang alley and get stabbed then I should be as criminally liable as the person who stabbed me for I provoked him by going through a nobody's-owned area that happened to be by his den (analogy being roads as municipal owned and hence not private property and intl waters being out of Israel's sovereign boundaries). I might extend this logic to the wearing-skimpy-clothes-gets-you-raped argument as well. Utterly fallacious logic being used to condone violence based on sympathies for a nation with one of the worst human rights record on the planet.

The humanitarian mission had a clear message. They could have taken another route but Israel had to be given a message that the International community will not take more of its BS and let Israel control the situation entirely and dictate the routes taken by foreign aid missions.

They were in international waters. Had they been just a micrometer outside Israel's territorial or contiguous zones or exclusive economic zones, they still would have been under the sovereign jurisdiction of the flag they were flying.

I'm not taking the BS of the people being armed. It can most definitely be imagined that a couple would have gotten agitated and perhaps tried to manhandle an armed IDF soldier, who being trigger friendly and having no concern whatsoever of human life killed the people in response. It is beyond comprehension that they attacked the soldiers. Utterly beyond comprehension.

If you were to give blame on a scale of 1 to 10 then Israel gets a 9.8 and the aid convoy organizers 0.2.

I cannot imagine how you people can support such an utterly inhumane, cowardly attack and call yourselves sane, rational and reasonable humans. Perhaps geo-politics has polluted minds beyond reason and logic.

Finally a rational opinion.

Agreed that provocation and murder are two different things. It was a stupid decision by Israel, but they were being provoked. Israel offered to resolve the situation peacefully but the protesters refused, instead choosing to continue their actions. Yes, it was a stupid decision by the Israelis.

What we are protesting is the 'humanitarian aid mission' title being awarded to the protesters. Their mission was entirely political in nature. Otherwise, the protests would have been extended against Egypt as well.