Muhammad-Bin-Qasim
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That is a joke. I see no such possibility in 100 years.
In case you are wondering... I was being serious...
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That is a joke. I see no such possibility in 100 years.
In case you are wondering... I was being serious...
Even though I support using the pre-war 1967 borders as the demarcation between Israel and the possible Palestinian state, I would not withdraw a single soldier or dismantle a single settlement unless the Palestinian government writes in its legislation that it recognizes the State of Israel and peace should be meant forever between the two.
An international monitoring agency would need be set up to monitor the transition. Any violation would get serious punishment from U.N.
A nice idea, unfortunately unviable. The Palestinian national movement is committed to the idea of the destruction of Israel as a Jewish state, and it would take a generation or two for a significant change in their perception.
However, the current situation is dangerous for Israel - it cannot continue for long to remain a democratic state while being reponsible for millions of Palestinians without equal rights to Israel's citizens. It is impossible to annex the pre-1967 terrirtories to Israel and mantaining the state as a Jewish national homeland - 20% of current Israel's citizens are Arabs and they would become a majority in a unified state.
As a result, Israel must end its control over the West Bank if it wants to survive. Withdrawal most probably would not prevent terror against Israel (it might even increase the attacks), however it will guarantee Israel's existance. So, we should not wait for the Palestinians for their recognition in Israel.
The Palestinians would be able to declare on their own state in the territory which would be evacuate.
If Palestinian side does not recognize Israel, I would suggest Israel do not withdraw anything.
Only after you have their recognition heard and observed by the world loud and clear, it is then the time for Israel to withdraw.
About Israel's safety, trust me, no government in mid-east has the guts to attack Israel any more. I will not doubt U.S. will militarily intervene if Israel is in difficult situation.
About Hamas, the group that sponsors the most terrorist attacks against Israel, I think you need attack them as hard as possible. Precise bombs, assassinations, covert ops and etc can all be used.
Palestinians granted Israeli citizenship lived very much as second class citizens in a Jewish state. Those who remained in occupied areas such as the West Bank and Gaza Strip suffered brutal oppression. Israel is a racist state which openly discriminates against people of Palestinian ancestry. No 'Right of Return' for them. It routinely imposes collective punishments, abducts and tortures 'suspects', assassinates opponents and tyrannizes its subject Palestinians. Covertly, it has developed nuclear weapons and sits on a stockpile of perhaps 200 warheads whilst complaining about alleged attempts by Arab neighbours to follow suit. Its contempt for civilized behavior was graphically shown in its furious demolition of southern Lebanon in 2007 as it tried and failed to subdue HizbollahIs it possible to have a state shared by all:jews, muslims and chrisitans and just call it a secular country. In my mind, I can think of only two options .
actually to be honest with you, it was israel itself that laid the foundation and was instrumental towards the creation of HAMAS --which israel used as an entity to counter the rise of Yasser Arafat's PLO
friend became foe as time progressed
HAMAS is the democratically elected government of a fractured Palestinian Nation. And the peace talks between FATAH and HAMAS are not only commendable, but they will also lead to an end of the political disconnect between West Bank and Gaza which has only been of detriment to Palestinian Nation and beneficial to the Occupational State.
with that said however, a political solution is badly needed. Both sides need to acknowledge eachothers' reality. I dont see that happening as long as Mr. Netanyahu and his jingoistic approach prevail. Not a chance.
@Nirreich,
Telling only part of the narrative makes the narrative biased.
Not only Palestinians but the entire Arab world (and by extension, the Islamic world of 57 countries) have clearly extended full recognition of Israel. They have even left the possibility open that the Palestinian refugees may be only taken back in token numbers--say a few thousand--for symbolic reasons. Yes, I am aware of the so-called PLO and Hamas Charter about Israel. But what about the charters of the various Israeli political parties vis a vis Palestinians? How about a sizable number of Israelis believing that 'G-D gave them the land thousands of years ago and hence the real Palestine is in Jordan.' That can only mean ethnic cleansing. A soft one but still ethnic cleansing. Starve, harass, and humiliate so much that they may want to leave 'Judea and Samaria'. And don't get me started on the illegal squatters called Settlers and their racist and violent ways. Heck, every now and then you still see people who think that there are NO 'Palestinians' as such. What does that really mean?
Anyway, you Israelis, with the American media control, may have convinced yourself and Americans of the justness of your 'cause'. But the world, thanks to the internet, is fast catching up. And you know that darn well.
It is becoming fast approaching time to settle the dispute and move on.
I firmly believe that not only the Palestinians will accept Israel as a Jewish majority state but will also settle down and live normally in their own state.
However, I doubt Israelis have even a 50% majority people who would want a viable Palestinian state. After all, G-D gave you the land some thousand years ago.
You see: What Palestinians may say in their Charters the Israelis are actually doing it already by their Settlement activities: A slow death of the Palestinian nation.
while the Palestinian national movement was and still is committed to the destruction of Israel.
Hamas is not an organisation of 'freedom fighters' - they do not want an independent state, they want to destroy Israel. All you need to do is to read their charter which is an Anti-Semitic - Like the Nazis, they blame the Jews for all the wrong doing in the world.
Furthermore, they are proud of their terror operations against innocent civilians, including women and children. What there is to discuss with them? They do not recognise Israel or ready to cease their terror operations against it until its destruction. What should we talk with them? On the exact time of our annihilation?