Islamic State declares war on rival Hamas with video execution

[Imran Khan]

this game went too long now man .

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

This group is a fukin death cult. Named after egyptian goddess of death. What sort of legitimate Islamic movement names itself after a polytheistic Egyptian goddess???

 

[Hack-Hook]

This group is a fukin death cult. Named after egyptian goddess of death. What sort of legitimate Islamic movement names itself after a polytheistic Egyptian goddess???

Honestly since when isis become the goddess of death?
she was said to protect the kingdom from its enemies, to govern the skies and the natural world, and to have power over fate itself
isis may help the restoration of the spirit of dead but she is more a goddess of life than death


if you look for the God of Death you must look at this dude

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Well she is also the goddess who is supposed to protect the kingdom from the enemies.

And this ISIS is doing exactly that by attacking every force that presents a threat to the kingdome of Israel.

Honestly since when isis become the goddess of death?
she was said to protect the kingdom from its enemies, to govern the skies and the natural world, and to have power over fate itself
isis may help the restoration of the spirit of dead but she is more a goddess of life than death


if you look for the God of Death you must look at this dude

 

[SQ8]

If there was any doubt whom this army serves and protects...

 

[mike2000 is back]

The video cites Hamas’s crackdown on Islamist militant groups in Gaza

I have red about this. However, I didn't know how serious it was. It does seem to be true to some extent though. Since from what I have red, Hamas has been cracking down on some extreme Islamic extremists groups in Gaza(salafists groups, AlQaeda linked groups, pro islamic state groups etc) . Especially since these Islamic extremist groups were keen to launch independent attacks against Israel without consulting Hamas and without asking for their permission. This was a problem since it seems Hamas had an undeclared peace deal/ceasefire in place with Israel during those period, and Hamas wanted to reassert its rule as the sole authority /ruler of Gaza. It will be interesting to see how these Islamic extremists groups who were repressed by Hamas will react to ISIS call. Maybe some of them might even join ISIS to fight back who knows.
The funny thing is that Islamic militant(terrorist) group Hamas seems to be the moderate one here when compared to these other small Islamic extremists groups that operate in Gaza, just like the taliban/Al Qaeda seem to be the new 'moderate' when compared to ISIS. Lol The Middle East is an interesting place geo-politically speaking. Always good to follow events in this region. Quite interesting.
https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/or...-hamas-salafist-attack-kidnapping-mosque.html
https://www.jns.org/news-briefs/201...ro-islamic-state-groups-in-gaza#.Wl5z_4GnzqA=
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....9/aug/15/hamas-battle-gaza-islamists-al-qaida

 

[Falcon29]

I have red about this. However, I didn't know how serious it was. It does seem to be true to some extent though. Since from what I have red, Hamas has been cracking down on some extreme Islamic extremists groups in Gaza(salafists groups, AlQaeda linked groups, pro islamic state groups etc) . Especially since these Islamic extremist groups were keen to launch independent attacks against Israel without consulting Hamas and without asking for their permission. This was a problem since it seems Hamas had an undeclared peace deal/ceasefire in place with Israel during those period, and Hamas wanted to reassert its rule as the sole authority /ruler of Gaza. It will be interesting to see how these Islamic extremists groups who were repressed by Hamas will react to ISIS call. Maybe some of them might even join ISIS to fight back who knows.
The funny thing is that Islamic militant(terrorist) group Hamas seems to be the moderate one here when compared to these other small Islamic extremists groups that operate in Gaza, just like the taliban/Al Qaeda seem to be the new 'moderate' when compared to ISIS. Lol The Middle East is an interesting place geo-politically speaking. Always good to follow events in this region. Quite interesting.
https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/or...-hamas-salafist-attack-kidnapping-mosque.html
https://www.jns.org/news-briefs/201...ro-islamic-state-groups-in-gaza#.Wl5z_4GnzqA=
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....9/aug/15/hamas-battle-gaza-islamists-al-qaida

You're starting to become more informed but still have a way to go. Hamas is a party and supporters are moderate. Hamas's armed wing is not moderate, they are fully religious. Meaning they follow tenets of Islam and follow the Sunnah of the Prophet(SAW). I think you know what it is meant by 'Sunnah' of the Prophet, if not you can research it. It's not related to politics or military subjects. So as far as what they personally follow in regards to way of life and philosophy, they follow Islam fully. As far as military matters, that is military matters separate from religion. Islam rarely touches on war, it is not a tactical book. That is a matter people deal with. That being said they do observe rules of war. If Hamas were capable of launching an ground invasion and occupying all of Israel, they will do so without launching air strikes on civilians or killing any civilians on the ground. Nor will they execute all Israeli soldiers afterwards. They will not do anything and let them free if their state was dismantled for example.

So they do observe international law in that sense, they are actually much more moral than some national armies if they were tasked with ground invasions or on ground missions anywhere around on the world. They will not commit war crimes on the ground like rape of women, torture or abuse, or execution of civilians if they are an occupying force.

Now back to topic, Hamas subscribes to Muslim Brotherhood ideology societal and religious views. That doesn't mean they are the same as every other MB group in beliefs. Most of them follow Shaf'iee school of thought. Al Qaeda and ISIS follow Hanbali school of thought, but even that I honestly don't think they follow. They don't really follow one thing fully, they follow this new trend(not that new) of calling themselves 'Salafi' or followers of the first ones. They think they are following puritan Islam basically. And they dress traditionally(some of them) and think everyone has to grow out their hair and beard. Hamas militants do grow beard but not hair. There are lots of differences. One of the main one being ISIS and Al Qaeda have primitive understanding of Islam, they don't understand how to implement pure Islam, and they focus too much on outer appearance and rhetoric. And this is beside their nut job war doctrine, which is not what I'm trying to describe, I'm just talking about the theological beliefs. And also implementation, AQ and ISIS force everyone to follow all the rules and make some things obligatory that aren't.

Hamas does not force people, but of course Hamas doesn't allow for Islamic limits to be transcended. So they will not allow drinking, night clubbing, drugs, have certain dress code, etc.... But, they allow mixing in public areas and smoking and swimming , salons, woman clubs, etc.... while the others don't. That being said it doesn't mean Hamas is following puritan Islam either. They are pretty close but they are not fully there. No one in Muslim world is following puritan Islam 100%.

And keep in mind most Salafi's in Gaza are normal people, none are affiliated with militancy or AQ ideology. As for the disgruntled young males who are Salafi, some of them are frustrated with economic situation, some think Hamas is giving too much freedoms, some upset with corruption or Hamas's rule, etc... So they vent by joining Salafi groups in Gaza that have no affiliation with ISIS. There is no official ISIS militant wing in Gaza, there are minority of fan boys, that's it. There are Salafi militant groups that are small and some individuals who take it upon themselves to engage in unlawful behavior like bombing Salons, or trying to bomb police trucks, or like in that case in the article they came to a mosque with arms during a sermon, and said bizarre things. Hamas sent an individual to persuade them to surrender themselves and then talk with the head of this group and they shot him in the back killing him. Afterwards Hamas pursued them and executed all the armed individuals in there. I would have just put them in jail.

Anyways, most of those deviant militants are mostly trying to establish what they think is 'province of a Caliphate' in Gaza against people's will and isolate the people of Gaza completely. They mostly try causing disorder and rarely do any of them fire on Israel. Those that fire on Israel are other guys. They will not succeed in whatever they're trying as the population rejects them and Hamas's armed wing is better at following religion than those deviant militants. Other Salafi's guys follow religion well too and are good guys. They aren't the problem and Hamas doesn't oppose them.

 

[mike2000 is back]

You're starting to become more informed but still have a way to go. Hamas is a party and supporters are moderate. Hamas's armed wing is not moderate, they are fully religious. Meaning they follow tenets of Islam and follow the Sunnah of the Prophet(SAW). I think you know what it is meant by 'Sunnah' of the Prophet, if not you can research it. It's not related to politics or military subjects. So as far as what they personally follow in regards to way of life and philosophy, they follow Islam fully. As far as military matters, that is military matters separate from religion. Islam rarely touches on war, it is not a tactical book. That is a matter people deal with. That being said they do observe rules of war. If Hamas were capable of launching an ground invasion and occupying all of Israel, they will do so without launching air strikes on civilians or killing any civilians on the ground. Nor will they execute all Israeli soldiers afterwards. They will not do anything and let them free if their state was dismantled for example.

So they do observe international law in that sense, they are actually much more moral than some national armies if they were tasked with ground invasions or on ground missions anywhere around on the world. They will not commit war crimes on the ground like rape of women, torture or abuse, or execution of civilians if they are an occupying force.

Now back to topic, Hamas subscribes to Muslim Brotherhood ideology societal and religious views. That doesn't mean they are the same as every other MB group in beliefs. Most of them follow Shaf'iee school of thought. Al Qaeda and ISIS follow Hanbali school of thought, but even that I honestly don't think they follow. They don't really follow one thing fully, they follow this new trend(not that new) of calling themselves 'Salafi' or followers of the first ones. They think they are following puritan Islam basically. And they dress traditionally(some of them) and think everyone has to grow out their hair and beard. Hamas militants do grow beard but not hair. There are lots of differences. One of the main one being ISIS and Al Qaeda have primitive understanding of Islam, they don't understand how to implement pure Islam, and they focus too much on outer appearance and rhetoric. And this is beside their nut job war doctrine, which is not what I'm trying to describe, I'm just talking about the theological beliefs. And also implementation, AQ and ISIS force everyone to follow all the rules and make some things obligatory that aren't.

Hamas does not force people, but of course Hamas doesn't allow for Islamic limits to be transcended. So they will not allow drinking, night clubbing, drugs, have certain dress code, etc.... But, they allow mixing in public areas and smoking and swimming , salons, woman clubs, etc.... while the others don't. That being said it doesn't mean Hamas is following puritan Islam either. They are pretty close but they are not fully there. No one in Muslim world is following puritan Islam 100%.

And keep in mind most Salafi's in Gaza are normal people, none are affiliated with militancy or AQ ideology. As for the disgruntled young males who are Salafi, some of them are frustrated with economic situation, some think Hamas is giving too much freedoms, some upset with corruption or Hamas's rule, etc... So they vent by joining Salafi groups in Gaza that have no affiliation with ISIS. There is no official ISIS militant wing in Gaza, there are minority of fan boys, that's it. There are Salafi militant groups that are small and some individuals who take it upon themselves to engage in unlawful behavior like bombing Salons, or trying to bomb police trucks, or like in that case in the article they came to a mosque with arms during a sermon, and said bizarre things. Hamas sent an individual to persuade them to surrender themselves and then talk with the head of this group and they shot him in the back killing him. Afterwards Hamas pursued them and executed all the armed individuals in there. I would have just put them in jail.

Anyways, most of those deviant militants are mostly trying to establish what they think is 'province of a Caliphate' in Gaza against people's will and isolate the people of Gaza completely. They mostly try causing disorder and rarely do any of them fire on Israel. Those that fire on Israel are other guys. They will not succeed in whatever they're trying as the population rejects them and Hamas's armed wing is better at following religion than those deviant militants. Other Salafi's guys follow religion well too and are good guys. They aren't the problem and Hamas doesn't oppose them.

Thanks for the insight. In short, Hamas is what we consider as moderate or even Liberal, that is when you compare them to these Islamic extremists and salafists militant groups who have been jostling for power with Hamas. Hamas has almost all the power though. So it's good Hamas is using every means (both diplomatic and murder) to deal with them. Hamas should just wipe them out completely, it will be a WIN-WIN not just for hamas but also for the international community. This jihadists are not as rational as hamas, as such they are difficult to negotiate or have a deal with. Do they should be cast aside and eliminated if necessary. Anyway, Hamas seems to be doing a good job at this, fortunately no human rights group or any foreign power is making a fuss about their eradication. So it's a good think. Hamas has a free hand. They should deal with them accordingly.

 

[airmarshal]

Very strange indeed. ISIS fighting Hamas but not Israel the occupier!

 

[$@rJen]

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/11/hamid-karzai-colluded-isil-afghanistan-171110191715544.html

Hamid Karzai: US colluded with ISIL in Afghanistan

Seriously !!! Read the article before posting it.

It nowhere says US supported IS in afghanistan.... and the same article says US dropped the biggest bomb on ISIL in Afghanistan.

And Since when have you taken Karzai Seriously??? So if it suits your own needs he;s a good guy if not he's a Indian/US tool... Right !!! Right!!!

Very strange indeed. ISIS fighting Hamas but not Israel the occupier!

Israel is not Iraq or Syria to not allow the Terrorists to have base in the first place... and its not easy to enter Inside Israel as well... now there's on ongoing battle in Sinai (most of the places are deserted and easy to set a base) to control the area//// Now why did Egypt allowed them in the first place??

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

Good war, Hamas against Isis.

 

[Falcon29]

Thanks for the insight. In short, Hamas is what we consider as moderate or even Liberal, that is when you compare them to these Islamic extremists and salafists militant groups who have been jostling for power with Hamas. Hamas has almost all the power though. So it's good Hamas is using every means (both diplomatic and murder) to deal with them. Hamas should just wipe them out completely, it will be a WIN-WIN not just for hamas but also for the international community. This jihadists are not as rational as hamas, as such they are difficult to negotiate or have a deal with. Do they should be cast aside and eliminated if necessary. Anyway, Hamas seems to be doing a good job at this, fortunately no human rights group or any foreign power is making a fuss about their eradication. So it's a good think. Hamas has a free hand. They should deal with them accordingly.

Hamas is not liberal, as I said religious wise those groups aren't following religion more than anyone else. They just have a different approach/interpretation and different world view. Hamas prefers dissuading those disgruntled individuals and will keep everything within the local law there. And just arrest those who break the law unless force is required in certain situations.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Seriously !!! Read the article before posting it.

It nowhere says US supported IS in afghanistan.... and the same article says US dropped the biggest bomb on ISIL in Afghanistan.

And Since when have you taken Karzai Seriously??? So if it suits your own needs he;s a good guy if not he's a Indian/US tool... Right !!! Right!!!

READ AGAIN

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/11/hamid-karzai-colluded-isil-afghanistan-171110191715544.html

Hamid Karzai: US colluded with ISIL in Afghanistan


What does the word "collude" mean in your dictionary????


I don't give a flying FK about Karzai, but since he is a US stooge, and it is coming for him, should be the eye opener for the nay sayers like you.