ISLAMIC RESISTANCE......

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You are entitled to your opinions, but not your facts.

The FACT is that Jewish land purchases amounted to a tiny fraction of what constitutes Israel.
The FACT is that Jewish population of Palestine in 1917 -- even after decades of British-sponsored migration -- was around 8-15% (depending on whom you believe). At that point Britain declared turning Palestine into a Jewish state as its official policy.

The comparison with Pakistan is again flawed. The migrations in the subcontinent were the result of local tensions, they were NOT mandated or sanctioned as official policy of the colonial British rulers with the explicit goal of demographic engineering.

FACT: I live on land that was legally bought.
FACT: you live on stolen land of genocided people.

Dude, I don't give a shit about random maps.

Do you dispute that at the time of creation of Israel, Jews only owned 6% to 8% of the land as per the official papers submitted in U.N by Ben Gurion.

So please, don't try to misguide audience here. I am a well-read person on this issue, won't let you do that.

This is not a "random map", but map from Library of Congress made by Palestinian Arabs themselves. I told u that total percents dont make any sence since wast majority of Palestine territory barren desert.

Filealestine Index to Villages and Settlements, showing Jewish-owned Land 31 March 1945.jpg - Wikimedia Commons

Take example of Australia. All the population there is concentrated on tiny coast strip, while 95% is useless empty desert. Thats why these coastal 5% of territory are million times more important than rest 95%.

 

[hussain0216]

FACT: I live on land that was legally bought.
FACT: you live on stolen land of genocided people.


This is not a "random map", but map from Library of Congress made by Palestinian Arabs themselves. I told u that total percents dont make any sence since wast majority of Palestine territory barren desert.

Filealestine Index to Villages and Settlements, showing Jewish-owned Land 31 March 1945.jpg - Wikimedia Commons

Take example of Australia. All the population there is concentrated on tiny coast strip, while 95% is useless empty desert. Thats why these coastal 5% of territory are million times more important than rest 95%.

You do understand that your jew lies don't work on people who know the history of Palestine

 

[T-Rex]

PKK = Terrorist Organisation

ISIL = Terrorist Organisation

Hamas = Terrorist Organisation

Hezbullah = Terrorist Organisation
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Kemalism = also known as Atatürkism is the founding ideology of Turkey which is a democratic secular republic.


Now put all these into your thin head before accusing the constitutional principals of a democratic country, sth you're in need of.

kemalism= fascism=state terrorism

Get that in your fascist head.

 

[-SINAN-]

...jihadist militancy head ..at the end to be be devastated by a Bunker Buster probably. .

Mate, let's not get into discussion with these freaks.... also report them pls.

 

[Kaniska]

ISIS the best Islamic resistance group currently. Targeting Americans and other westerners. As well as killing anybody that is not Islamic enough and may endanger the new Caliphate in the future.

Do you mean that any one who is not Islamic enough should be slaughtered? And is it what you says or ISIS says? Because i am sure no religion including Islam will say that kill the people who are not perceived enough Muslim to Islamic People...then next question comes up is who is the judge who will decide who is not enough Muslim?...

 

[Neptune]

@Neptune
better be a young teethed khariji dog of hell fire than be the rotten perished free masonic, the enemy of Allah n his messenger, the ultimate head of kuffr Attashirk

@Oscar @Aeronaut that was a very strict insult...and this time pls dont just delete it. What would you do if I harshly insulted Jinnah.

Mate, let's not get into discussion with these freaks.... also report them pls.

I second that brother..

 

[Jungibaaz]

@Oscar @Aeronaut that was a very strict insult...and this time pls dont just delete it. What would you do if I harshly insulted Jinnah.

No need to use that as an example friend, that sort of crap is dealt with harshly, be it any man of the stature of Jinnah or Ataturk.
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[A.P. Richelieu]

Me and you know, but other members tolerate him and give him credibility by taking him seriously. Him and his bogus crusader version of 'international law' where he doesn't mention any of Israel's war crimes.

The difference is that the Palestinian Missiles fired upon cities are undeniable warcrimes.
What the Israelis are doing may, or may not be warcrimes depending on circumstances.

Also, I think you confuse "crusader version" with "Red Cross version" I usually refer to...
That is where the Geneva Conventions are published.

 

[Falcon29]

The difference is that the Palestinian Missiles fired upon cities are undeniable warcrimes.
What the Israelis are doing may, or may not be warcrimes depending on circumstances.

Also, I think you confuse "crusader version" with "Red Cross version" I usually refer to...
That is where the Geneva Conventions are published.

Nonsense, Palestinians don't have any missiles. They are homemade projectiles. Fired in response to Israel's numerous war crimes against the Palestinian people. Israel was committing plenty of war crimes, most major one being targeting of thousands of civilian homes with no military significance. Not to mention their enormous violations of international law in the occuipped territories.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Nonsense, Palestinians don't have any missiles. They are homemade projectiles. Fired in response to Israel's numerous war crimes against the Palestinian people. Israel was committing plenty of war crimes, most major one being targeting of thousands of civilian homes with no military significance. Not to mention their enormous violations of international law in the occuipped territories.

The reason they don't have any missiles is perhaps that they fired all of them, many of them
in violation of International Law. If they are fired in response or not does not matter, still crimes.

Israeli destruction of "civilian" homes must be investigated, before any judgement can be made.
Investigation must be made by independent non-biased organisations. Has yet to happen.
Investigations without participation of Israelis have little value, since perceived facts is actually
more important than real facts.

If a military commander has reason to believe that a house is a military target,
then attacking the house is legal, even if it turns out that the target does not have any
military significance.

Does Israel stall such investigations? Yes, of course. Don't deny that.
Does Hamas accept responsibility for their war crimes? No, they don't.

It is pretty clear that Israel is breaking new ground in International Law,
by bombing homes of Hamas members.

To me, homes of Hamas members should be considered off limits, if they do
not stay in the homes while participating in active combat.

If they fight during the day, and sleep at home during night, then for sure
the homes are military targets.
If they fight for extended periods, and then go home on leave,
and during that leave does not participate in military activities, or keep weapons
at home, then the homes should definitely be considered purely civilian.

As been pointed out, presence of civilians does not protect military targets, and
Palestinian tactics is counterproductive since it allows Israelis to inflict more damage legally.

When courts have tried to determine what is a proportionate response, they have
converged on an approach which vastly differs from that of Human Rights Activist.

A military action is legal, if a sensible commander would take such action, given a military objective.

If Israeli commanders are sending in troops to search for tunnels, and they get blown up
by IEDs, then it would be sensible to first blow up the building, and then search for the tunnels.
Even if some houses then turn out to be civilians, attacking them is still legal.

If they had not been boobytrapped, then that pretense could not be used to destroy buildings.

The situation in the West Bank is a legal mess, but I won't repeat myself on this issue in this thread.

 

[Falcon29]

Israeli destruction of "civilian" homes must be investigated, before any judgement can be made.
Investigation must be made by independent non-biased organisations. Has yet to happen.
Investigations without participation of Israelis have little value, since perceived facts is actually
more important than real facts.

If a military commander has reason to believe that a house is a military target,
then attacking the house is legal, even if it turns out that the target does not have any
military significance.

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Your rant is pointless. Now you're justifying pre-planned attacks on thousands of civilian homes due to those families having a low or high ranked member and not due to any military commander during a ground OP or any other reason. Don't try twisting what happened. Investigations must be done by the UN. But, Israel is trying to evade that by claiming it will investigate itself. Which one again shows the failure of international bodies.

Palestinian Resistance is completely justified against war criminals. Israeli's/settlers/mass murderers are war criminals and immediate defense to genocidal killers is completely justified as it was during WWII against Nazi's.

 

[VCheng]

Palestinian Resistance is completely justified against war criminals. Israeli's/settlers/mass murderers are war criminals and immediate defense to genocidal killers is completely justified as it was during WWII against Nazi's.

That is absolutely INCORRECT.

The British Empire had administrative control over that region after the fall of the Ottoman Empire. It created the partition plan so that it could withdraw, one that the Jews accepted but the Palestinians rejected. They chose to got to war and lost. Therefore, Israel now has a legitimate position as a factual state and the Palestinians are the party at war attacking it still. They will get their own state if they accept the partition plan and accept Israel's right to exist.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Your rant is pointless. Now you're justifying pre-planned attacks on thousands of civilian homes due to those families having a low or high ranked member and not due to any military commander during a ground OP or any other reason. Don't try twisting what happened. Investigations must be done by the UN. But, Israel is trying to evade that by claiming it will investigate itself. Which one again shows the failure of international bodies.

Palestinian Resistance is completely justified against war criminals. Israeli's/settlers/mass murderers are war criminals and immediate defense to genocidal killers is completely justified as it was during WWII against Nazi's.

As I said, Israel is breaking new ground here. Whether it is legal or not will likely have to be determined in court.
If the answer is debatable, then Israelis will get off the hook - this time.

Palestinians have signed the Geneva Conventions, and the Geneva Conventions
require separation of civilians from military.
If Hamas wanted to protect civilians, then such separation would be implemented.
Hamas thus helps in justifying the attacks you complain about.

Since deaths of Palestinians are used as a weapon in the propaganda war,
Hamas never bothered to do anything to protect civilians.

Any investigation of Israeli actions must have both Israeli and international participation to have credibility.
Did I claim that Israel are helpful here?

When are Hamas going to participate in investigations of their activities?

 

[Falcon29]

As I said, Israel is breaking new ground here. Whether it is legal or not will likely have to be determined in court.
If the answer is debatable, then Israelis will get off the hook - this time.

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There's no debate. Since Israel's inception it has been committing war crimes. Israeli previous PM's committed massive terrorist attacks. No accountability has ever been seen.

The majority of the attacks on Gaza were war crimes, not up for debate.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

There's no debate. Since Israel's inception it has been committing war crimes. Israeli previous PM's committed massive terrorist attacks. No accountability has ever been seen.

If any court ever gets to decide if bombing homes of soldiers is a war crime, there WILL be a debate...

Since Israels inception, Palestinians have been committing war crimes,
and they have not been held accountable either.
If Palestinians want accountability, then just sign the ICC treaties, and take the consequences.

The majority of the attacks on Gaza were war crimes, not up for debate.

You are entitled to have Your opinion, and the rest of the world is entitled to ignore them, until
investigations are complete, and judgement has been passed.