ISLAMIC DEFENCE AGENCY

[The Clarifier]

Also, one concern is about groups such as the Taliban.

If a Khalifat is established, these groups will have no choice to surrender or will be outcast and can be dealt with. It may be possible to dissolve the next generation of Taliban into Pak/Afghan paramilitaries but a lot of education and will power will be needed. The people from that part of the world are very aggressive but this aggression must be channeled into positive and productive activities.

 

[The Clarifier]

Its sounds like a ummah concep. .but its opposite to reality what we see today

Yes, sadly right now Muslim unity is a pipe dream but it is not impossible as proven during the golden age of Islam. For the sake of discussion lets keep history away and work on theoretical situations.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

A hindu can be a loyal, patriotic citizen of Bangladesh as well.

Where did i say they cant be?

All i was saying was that Bangladesh is not a 100% muslim country.

 

[Man of Thoughts]

Yaar indian members tum log Muslim allience se itna darte kun hoo.........

 

[divya]

Yes, sadly right now Muslim unity is a pipe dream but it is not impossible as proven during the golden age of Islam. For the sake of discussion lets keep history away and work on theoretical situations.

See the main problem would be the demographies. There were hardly muslim migrants back then. And today there are million and millions of muslims in overseas then islamic nations. In India itself we have third largest population. will it be possible to include India. I dont think so. But if you dont the islamic unity is scrapped at that very moment. Alliances can be made on the basis of nationalism today but not on the religious concepts.

 

[divya]

Yaar indian members tum log Muslim allience se itna darte kun hoo.........

Darte nahi hain its you people who want to discuss things living in frogs well. we Indians have third largest muslim population so we have the right to speak

 

[The Clarifier]

See the main problem would be the demographies. There were hardly muslim migrants back then. And today there are million and millions of muslims in overseas then islamic nations. In India itself we have third largest population. will it be possible to include India. I dont think so. But if you dont the islamic unity is scrapped at that very moment. Alliances can be made on the basis of nationalism today but not on the religious concepts.

I am sure alliances can be made on religious concepts. Look at Europe. It's not nationalistic, otherwise they'd let Turkey in. Religion will be able to tie nations together... that is not the main concern.

You brought up a point about India. It will not be fair to split India as it is now and if Islamic Scholars would not agree with it. They would be given a choice to migrate, I am guessing.

Atleast an alliance between Muslim nations will be great. We don't need a merger.

 

[Man of Thoughts]

Darte nahi hain its you people who want to discuss things living in frogs well. we Indians have third largest muslim population so we have the right to speak

Ni such to ye ha k tum lod darte ho .............

Agar ni darte to tum logon ko Muslim Allience ko appreciate karna chahiya..........

Ya tum logon ko dar ha k kahin india k 2 hisy na ho jai

 

[divya]

I am sure alliances can be made on religious concepts. Look at Europe. It's not nationalistic, otherwise they'd let Turkey in. Religion will be able to tie nations together... that is not the main concern.

You brought up a point about India. It will not be fair to split India as it is now and if Islamic Scholars would not agree with it. They would be given a choice to migrate, I am guessing.

Atleast an alliance between Muslim nations will be great. We don't need a merger.

Right to a extent but when you say migration do you really think people will be ready to give up there existing livelihood. at the same time who will take the burden of these. Majority of economies of muslim world are already overloaded with their internal issues and why would rich states want to part with their wealth.

As far as splitting India is concerned that would also wont be practically feasible because the whole generation has already been changed and the new generation puts country first and then religon. India has nurtured the generation that way.

thirdly this would invite heavy polarisation of the world where in you will have to part with China which is a kafir country as per islam along with India and they can reach on such a alliance which can be quite blow in itself.

Fourth imagine the Islamic world with the islamic belt from africa to india and then look at the other alliances which would constitute europe, US, india, russia and china which can be a nightmare for anyone and know how is very low in islamic states. Islamic states are dependent on these countries for their supplies from food to technical know how.

Fifth islamic states are already densly population have you ever imagined the level of migration you are inviting.

 

[divya]

Ni such to ye ha k tum lod darte ho .............

Agar ni darte to tum logon ko Muslim Allience ko appreciate karna chahiya..........

Ya tum logon ko dar ha k kahin india k 2 hisy na ho jai

Kis baat ka dar. Apart from pakistan we have normal relations with all islamic states where we have more trade then your own islamic country. Guess what your evil hindoos know how to sell this concept of "third largest muslim population" in middle east and islamic terrorism in west very well. Advantage India.

Raha hissey karne ki baat... kaun karega Pakistan... oh ok sure your welcome

 

[ajtr]

islamic bloc must ve permanent unsc seat.

 

[The Clarifier]

Right to a extent but when you say migration do you really think people will be ready to give up there existing livelihood. at the same time who will take the burden of these. Majority of economies of muslim world are already overloaded with their internal issues and why would rich states want to part with their wealth.

As far as splitting India is concerned that would also wont be practically feasible because the whole generation has already been changed and the new generation puts country first and then religon. India has nurtured the generation that way.

thirdly this would invite heavy polarisation of the world where in you will have to part with China which is a kafir country as per islam along with India and they can reach on such a alliance which can be quite blow in itself.

Fourth imagine the Islamic world with the islamic belt from africa to india and then look at the other alliances which would constitute europe, US, india, russia and china which can be a nightmare for anyone and know how is very low in islamic states. Islamic states are dependent on these countries for their supplies from food to technical know how.

Fifth islamic states are already densly population have you ever imagined the level of migration you are inviting.

I must admit a lot of Muslim countries have some internal affair to take care of but it is not impossible.

GCC countries aren't overpopulated. Of course, Muslims in non-Muslim countries don't have to do so.

Food is not a problem. GCC have a lot of money. As for technical... this will be a hurdle, but it is a hurdle that every powerful nation had to cross.

Islam does not categorize non-muslim countries as enemies. External relations are not a problem... others will not be looked down on nor will they be ignored.

 

[divya]

I must admit a lot of Muslim countries have some internal affair to take care of but it is not impossible.

GCC countries aren't overpopulated. Of course, Muslims in non-Muslim countries don't have to do so.

Food is not a problem. GCC have a lot of money. As for technical... this will be a hurdle, but it is a hurdle that every powerful nation had to cross.

Islam does not categorize non-muslim countries as enemies. External relations are not a problem... others will not be looked down on nor will they be ignored.

But why would they do that? why would they put extra pressure on their economy when they stay silent and enjoy the perks of life which they are already enjoying.

 

[SandsofTime]

A lot of Indians get defensive whenever some kind of alliance between Muslim countries is considered. I don't know what is this insecurity for? India is a large country and would no doubt hold a large sway in world affairs in the future. But do we want yet another global bully who will be able to force its own decision down others throats? The small countries will be the ones to loose. Europeans countries realized that and therefore moving towards a unified system.

Personally I am in favor of alliance but no Khilafat as that institution will not be stable in today's age. It just so happens that Muslim countries have shared borders and so it is natural for them to align together. Religion just helps to cement it further by providing a shared cultural bond. First steps towards that goal is to start joint development projects, establish trade links, and promote cultural exchange. OIC is a failed and toothless project because it is populated by dictators, kings and sheikhs who have zero vision. It should be discarded or ignored as it is. Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, Afghanistan and central asian states can band together for this initial alliance as these countries are the most progressive minded in their thinking. Once despots are overthrown in Arab countries and replaced with better leaders, they can join the alliance as well. As for India, I am in favor of making pacts and treaties with it, but it shouldn't be part of the alliance as India will be too large for the others to swallow.

 

[The Clarifier]

But why would they do that? why would they put extra pressure on their economy when they stay silent and enjoy the perks of life which they are already enjoying.

They enjoy much less than what they enjoyed during the Islamic empire...

"Allah's Messenger (Sallaho alayhay wa sallam) said, "One of the signs of the approach of the last hour will be the destruction of the Arabs."

Right now even I believe Islamic unity will not come until Jesus... it is a very difficult task.

Anyway, let's stay theoretical from now.