Islam has ‘no place’ in my country, says next EU president

[Vergennes]

Lol, there are more than 50 million Muslims in Europe.

@flamer84 Didn't this guy say that there were '40 million muslims in Europe' ?
How within some hours they increased by more than '10 million' ? Tomorrow they will be '150 million' ?

I give you my word....there will be long lines in the front of our military facilities, millions would volunteer for the fight. Since we didn't showed any aggression towards Europe in the last century, it seems like they forgot about our fighting spirit and our warrior culture.....

Not that I want to insult you or to be rude,but what did you do when the russians were literally exterminating the turkmens in northern syria ? I thought they were turkic people ? What happened ?

 

[-SINAN-]

lol,nationalism bravado.You'll invade Europe huh ? Germany,France ? Funny.....Seems you forgot you only exist because other European countries allowed you to exist and didn't let Russia annex you.

Now,being real for a moment,you'd be crushed in a second.Save your might for Syria who's crushing Turkmens,or for Israel who killed your citizens....Oh wait,you didn't do nothing but have crazy dreams of invading Europe.Do it and the Turkish state will fade into the history books.

Hahahhaha.....

For a millennia, people are saying that we will be crushed.....yet nobody had been able to conquer our homelands. Not in Anatolia, not back then when were in central Asia.....but there had been always people like you.

Other than that;

So, you will mass kill the Turks in the Balkans and we will watch from side lines....

No need to discuss it any further.

Most of the times you were defetead by outnumbered European armies.This "spirit " is a myth.

From 1071 to 1683...for 6 centuries.....what happened back then ? Most of the times we defeated by outnumbered European armies ? Maybe, and many times we won against European armies, while being outnumbered.

ot that I want to insult you or to be rude,but what did you do when the russians were literally exterminating the turkmens in northern syria ? I thought they were turkic people ? What happened ?

This happened;

Also Turkmen mountain in Syria is still at the hand of the Turkmens, looks like they didn't get exterminated. And it's absurd to compare Bulgaria or Greece or Romania with Russia.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

Turkey has always checked the encroaching Christian Crusaders. You can bet your horses we will sacrifice every single drop of blood in our veins if anyone in Euorope or anywhere else attempts to touch us.

You are doing a great mistake by comparing us to Jews or Arabs. Our civilization goes back thousands of years, it is in fact one of the oldest living civilizations. From the steppes of the Altay mountains to the steps of Mount Ararat. Most empires were created and destroyed by us, that includes the last Roman Byzantine Empire when we conquered their holy city.

BUT we don't have issues with Europeans, we have friendly bonds. Just don't meddle in our internal affairs don't feed PKK. And our internal affairs includes North Syria and North Iraq. Keep your hands out of this geography let's take care of these terrorists. We can teach them a lesson, we don't need the West's intereference.

 

[flamer84]

L

Hahahhaha.....

For a millennia, people are saying that we will be crushed.....yet nobody had been able to conquer our homelands. Not in Anatolia, not back then when were in central Asia.....but there had been always people like you.

Other than that;


No need to discuss it any further.



From 1071 to 1683...for 6 centuries.....what happened back then ? Most of the times we defeated by outnumbered European armies ? Maybe, and many times we won against European armies, while being outnumbered.


This happened;

Also Turkmen mountain in Syria is still at the hand of the Turkmens, looks like they didn't get exterminated. And it's absurd to compare Bulgaria or Greece or Romania with Russia.

Why would we kill Turks in the Balkans ? I know not of a single islamic terrorism incident related to ethnic Turks,especially in the Balkans.The problems are in Western Europe not Eastern Europe.I don't see myself going out and clubbing my next door Turkish neighbour just because he goes to mosque.

You have to check your history.Ottoman conquest of the Balkans and Eastern Europe faced tiny states,divided.The Ottoman advance was checked in Central Europe by bigger,organised entities.Most of the time these entities were engaged in wars against each other.For example,the Hapsburgs spent their time fighting France,other German princely states or Czech hussites.

Turkey has always checked the encroaching Christian Crusaders. You can bet your horses we will sacrifice every single drop of blood in our veins if anyone in Euorope or anywhere else attempts to touch us.

You are doing a great mistake by comparing us to Jews or Arabs. Our civilization goes back thousands of years, it is in fact one of the oldest living civilizations. From the steppes of the Altay mountains to the steps of Mount Ararat. Most empires were created and destroyed by us, that includes the last Roman Byzantine Empire when we conquered their holy city.

BUT we don't have issues with Europeans, we have friendly bonds. Just don't meddle in our internal affairs don't feed PKK. And our internal affairs includes North Syria and North Iraq. Keep your hands out of this geography let's take care of these terrorists. We can teach them a lesson, we don't need the West's intereference.

Yeah,this thread doesn't have anything to do with Turkey or even European Turks as they're not a source of radicalism but others felt the need to dragg them in this issue.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

The problems are in Western Europe

Im all ears, have Turks engaged in terrorism in Western Europe?
Or are you mixing Turks with Arabs because they are both Muslims? Oh right, it has nothing to do with countries, even though millions of Turks have lived peacefully in Europe for decades. But still it must be an islamic problem right, when most Turks are muslims.

You guys seriosly need to make up your mind and look closer at what the hell the problem with terrorism in Europe is. If you insist on it has to do with radicalized Islam you are ignoring the real picture. It's a cultural phenomenon, look at the perpetrators of terrorism:
1: 99% arabs (you will never see Turks or Iranians even though Turks overrepresent the Muslim population in most countries)
2: mostly from war-torn countries.

Why are TUrks and Iranians immune to these radicilazation you think?
Ill give you why. Because in Turkey the spread of hate preaching is impossible since the mosque is under the state. In Europe Turkish communities are represented by minister of Turkish religion (Diyanet). They send their own imams and preach according to state procedure. And Turkish communites are completely different from say Palestinian or Iraqi

 

[-SINAN-]

Turkey has always checked the encroaching Christian Crusaders. You can bet your horses we will sacrifice every single drop of blood in our veins if anyone in Euorope or anywhere else attempts to touch us.

You are doing a great mistake by comparing us to Jews or Arabs. Our civilization goes back thousands of years, it is in fact one of the oldest living civilizations. From the steppes of the Altay mountains to the steps of Mount Ararat. Most empires were created and destroyed by us, that includes the last Roman Byzantine Empire when we conquered their holy city.

BUT we don't have issues with Europeans, we have friendly bonds. Just don't meddle in our internal affairs don't feed PKK. And our internal affairs includes North Syria and North Iraq. Keep your hands out of this geography let's take care of these terrorists. We can teach them a lesson, we don't need the West's intereference.

No, they say that they are going to mass kill all the Turks in Europe and Turkey will do nothing and watch from the sidelines...

I also want to hear the thoughts of my brothers on this issue. @bsruzm @KediKesenFare @hacibin @CrimsonFury @Mucahit @Oublious @HAKIKAT

 

[Vergennes]

This happened;

Also Turkmen mountain in Syria is still at the hand of the Turkmens, looks like they didn't get exterminated. And it's absurd to compare Bulgaria or Greece or Romania with Russia.

But what's the aftermath ? Russians continuing to bomb the turkmens more violently (just to piss you off btw),the turkish air force doesn't dare anymore to enter the Syria's airspace..... You probably killed a russian pilot,but how does it compare to the thousands of turkmens killed under their airstrikes ?
Interestingly,I didn't see millions of turks voluntering to 'defend' the turkmens....
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I didn't see any muslim country sending their army to defend the persecuted rohingyas..... The israelis are killing thousands of palestinians in their wars,I didn't see any muslim country willing to send their armies.... @Falcon29
I didn't see you guys volunteering or sending your army after the Marmara incident....
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If it ever happens for the europeans to go full crazy and exterminate everyone,what makes you think you guys will do something ? (Not assuming that we'll do witch hunts against every turks or muslims,we are a little bit civilized for that...)

 

[-SINAN-]

Why would we kill Turks in the Balkans ? I know not of a single islamic terrorism incident related to ethnic Turks,especially in the Balkans.The problems are in Western Europe not Eastern Europe.I don't see myself going out and clubbing my next door Turkish neighbour just because he goes to mosque.

You are talking about mass killing of Muslims in the Europe. Turks are Muslims...so, what should i understand from your posts ?

It will be a swift clean up process and it will lead to an undemocratic,totalitarian Europe.My bet is the 2019-2023 time frame.

It's becoming obvious to many Europeans out there that a show down is necessesary if we are to survive.

 

[flamer84]

But what's the aftermath ? Russians continuing to bomb the turkmens more violently (just to piss you off btw),the turkish air force doesn't dare anymore to enter the Syria's airspace..... You probably killed a russian pilot,but how does it compare to the thousands of turkmens killed under their airstrikes ?
Interestingly,I didn't see millions of turks voluntering to 'defend' the turkmens....
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I didn't see any muslim country sending their army to defend the persecuted rohingyas..... The israelis are killing thousands of palestinians in their wars,I didn't see any muslim country willing to send their armies.... @Falcon29
I didn't see you guys volunteering or sending your army after the Marmara incident....
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If it ever happens for the europeans to go full crazy and exterminate everyone,what makes you think you guys will do something ? (Not assuming that we'll do witch hunts against every turks or muslims,we are a little bit civilized for that...)

@Zulkarneyn @Sinan

My 2 cents: There will be no mass murder of muslims, nazy style.There will be a backlash against islamic ideology and followers.Many muslims in Europe will even side with the state in its attempt to control this ideology.In my opinion this attempt will consist of heavy regulations: "ban on islamic attire,the building of mosques non licensed by the state , the existence of non certified imams,heavy sanctions against hate speech,heavier anti terror laws,",etc.Many wil rise against these attempts and will suffer the consequences.Some will accept the new status quo and the ideology will be reformed.

In a way,not to different from what Ataturk did in Turkey.

 

[-SINAN-]

But what's the aftermath ? Russians continuing to bomb the turkmens more violently (just to piss you off btw),

Most of the Turkmens are in Turkey now. They are bombing Turkmen rebel positions with a little effect. Turkmens are still fighting and holding their place.

the turkish air force doesn't dare anymore to enter the Syria's airspace.....

This is a Russian myth....Syria is a hostile country since 2012...when they first shot our plane. And we didn't entered their airspace for single time till back then.

In return we shot every aircraft that trespassed in to our airspace.

You probably killed a russian pilot,but how does it compare to the thousands of turkmens killed under their airstrikes ?
Interestingly,I didn't see millions of turks voluntering to 'defend' the turkmens....

Thousands of Turkmens killed under airstrikes....yeah, sure.

I didn't see any muslim country sending their army to defend the persecuted rohingyas..... The israelis are killing thousands of palestinians in their wars,I didn't see any muslim country willing to send their armies.... @Falcon29

I'm not the spokesperson of Muslims, I'm only talking about Turkey. And as if there is any "ummah"....i only care for my countrymen and our ethnic kin, nothing more.

I didn't see you guys volunteering or sending your army after the Marmara incident....

Why should we ? You are likening a single incident (where some religious nutjobs killed) with an ethnical cleaning

If it ever happens for the europeans to go full crazy and exterminate everyone,what makes you think you guys will do something ?

(Not assuming that we'll do witch hunts against every turks or muslims,we are a little bit civilized for that...)

Of course, i have no way to prove that to you...this is what i think, for that instance, i asked for the opinions of my countrymen...

 

[CrimsonFury]

The EU President should be more worried about whether or not there will be an EU by the time his duration of service is done. The sheer wall of arrogance and stupidity will be shattered, one way or another.

As for "cleaning Turks"...everyone that tried ended up getting "cleaned" themselves so don't put us through the effort of doing it again.

I don't want Turkey to join the EU, I won't have some old morons in Brussels dictate to my country what we can or can't do. We should go it alone and make treaties with the EU/Wes that are strategic (economic/military), and that's it. Otherwise we will end up being dependent/lazy and not self sufficient...and this is a death sentence for a state in the Middle East.

We don't need them for survival and they don't need us for survival. Cooperation is ideal, but not being tied by ultra restrictive treaties that come with being an EU member. @Sinan

As for our Russian neighbour saying that millions didn't sign up to defend Turkmen, and thus insinuating that we won't protect our own, just see what happens if Russia tries to pull off what Greek Cyprus tried to do Turks ( blatantly massacring woman and children and any Muslim they find)...the whole nation will scream for war.

 

[-SINAN-]

@Zulkarneyn @Sinan

My 2 cents: There will be no mass murder of muslims, nazy style.There will be a backlash against islamic ideology and followers.Many muslims in Europe will even side with the state in its attempt to control this ideology.In my opinion this attempt will consist of heavy regulations: "ban on islamic attire,the building of mosques non licensed by the state , the existence of non certified imams,heavy sanctions against hate speech,heavier anti terror laws,",etc.Many wil rise against these attempts and will suffer the consequences.Some will accept the new status quo and the ideology will be reformed.

In a way,not to different from what Ataturk did in Turkey.

Then say so...

"ban on islamic attire,the building of mosques non licensed by the state , the existence of non certified imams,heavy sanctions against hate speech,heavier anti terror laws,"

Turkey has every single one of this regulations, it's grave mistake if you don't have these kinds of regulations already. I have never ever heard any kind of hate speech in Turkey's mosques.....at best we pray for our martyrs and pray for peace in the Muslim world, nothing more. My friends in Europe says that whenever they go to non-Turkish mosques in Europe...they are being told that Turks way of Islam is wrong, they should do that, they should do this....blah, blah, blah.

We don't need them for survival and they don't need us for survival. Cooperation is ideal, but not being tied by ultra restrictive treaties that come with being an EU member. @Sinan

We all know that EU is not going to take us in....so, i wonder why are keeping up the negotiations.

Is there any benefit for being a EU candidate member ? If not no need for this status, these EU laws are pain in the us and not fit for our country.

 

[Vergennes]

@Sinan

According to Turkey’s Hurriyet newspaper, the Turkish Air Force has suspended the missions over Syria of its aircraft supporting the international air campaign against ISIS.

https://theaviationist.com/2015/11/27/tuaf-suspends-flights-over-syria/
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Anyway,I was referring to that guy [ @AUz ] thinking that 'ummah' exists.... how cute. That's why I gave exemples of how muslims are being persecuted all over the world [Be it in Palestine or Myanmar....] and we didn't see any muslim country sending their forces to help them... and that if such things happen here,muslim countries would 'take care' [especially Turkey,you just have to look at his posts,whenever we talk about Europe,he brings in Turkey...] of a big piece like Europe....

 

[CrimsonFury]

Then say so...

"ban on islamic attire,the building of mosques non licensed by the state , the existence of non certified imams,heavy sanctions against hate speech,heavier anti terror laws,"

Turkey has every single one of this regulations, it's grave mistake if you don't have these kinds of regulations already. I have never ever heard any kind of hate speech in Turkey's mosques.....at best we pray for our martyrs and pray for peace in the Muslim world, nothing more. My friends in Europe says that whenever they go to non-Turkish mosques in Europe...they are being told that Turks way of Islam is wrong, they should do that, they should do this....blah, blah, blah.


We all know that EU is not going to take us in....so, i wonder why are keeping up the negotiations.

Is there any benefit for being a EU candidate member ? If not no need for this status, these EU laws are pain in the us and not fit for our country.

Well EU countries do have a sizable amount of investments in Turkey, I'm all for a "preferential partnership" model it upgrades our economic / military cooperation. But political cooperation is the thing that is a hindrance to us, and as such it should be Turkeys decision to stop pursuing membership.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

My friends in Europe says that whenever they go to non-Turkish mosques in Europe...they are being told that Turks way of Islam is wrong, they should do that, they should do this.

Yes, i currently study in Europe. I've been to Arabic mosques for friday prayers. The hate eminating from the imams is extraordinary - most arabs here don't even accept Turks as muslims because our interpretation of islam is too "light" for their liking. My personal view is that Middle Easter Arabic culture is very open to agressive interpretation of Islam. Because culturally they are very agressive, hot-headed, masochistic and so on. It's the perfect recipe for jihadism.

On the other hand, every Turkish mosque and friday prayer is very peaceful with peaceful messages because the imams are sent by Turkish diyanet, it is strictly regulated, how it should be.

'ummah' exists

There is no ummah. Turks in Sweden, for example, never mix with Arabic or iranian community, they don't even visit each others' mosques. It's a myth, that European far rights and jihadists love.

Its perfectly fine to generalize a whole religion like islam for terrorism. But it becomes racism when you point out the truth=every single problem is eminating from certain Middle Eastern countries.