Islam and punishment

[syedali73]

This is what he said that I cannot forgive. He questioned my parents. I don't forgive people for that and he then hid under the moderators skirt.

A liar who is lying through teeth and twisting words as typical intellectually dishonest do. Anybody who has little understanding of English language can see that somebody's parents are not but the person who is born to the parents is talked about.

@WebMaster

 

[TankMan]

what @TankMan proposes is simply not realistic. Or do you wish to disagree on that and tell me how is it possible to get today's ulema to agree on any common grounds?

Is it any more unrealistic than convincing all those ulema to accept Pakistan's secularization? No, not at all.

The common grounds exist, and the ulema exist. All that is needed is initiative and will.

Something that has not happened in a hundred years to emulate what happened several hundreds of years ago is not a perfectly valid solution to anything.

But somehow the ancient Greek invention of Democracy from over a thousand years ago was a perfectly valid solution to the problems of post-medieval Europe.

Challenge my argument and my example instead of repeating the same thing over and over again like a parrot.

Close-mindedness, stubbornness and unwillingness to engage with a differing point of view if it challenges your preconceived ideas - in many ways certain secularists / ultra/pseudo-liberals are no different from the mullahs you never miss a chance to insult and assert your supposed superiority over.

I said that its habit of our dear muhtram janab @syed ali haider to keep jumping from one question to next and he will never satisfied with any of your explanation and will keep repeating same rants unless you show agreement with his assumptions and views of Islam or Islamic punishment. He consider Islamic concepts outdated which cannot be practice in 21 century as Islamic punishment are cruel and barbarism for him. Even Islamic concept of morality is outdated so we should follow his western culture and their keep changing morals because they are simply perfect. I bet if he was alive during Prophet(PBUH) time then he would have objected that why he(peace be upon him) got married with 13 wives and why some of them were kids as per his western standards. I am sure you know the story of bani isreal when Allah asked them to sacrifice cow and they were just making excuses how old should be cow, what colour it should be, how they should slaughter him etc etc so you will get same excuses here. Good luck

I've noticed the habit. It's blatantly obvious.

As for the example of the Bani Israel, the Quran majeed contains many such stories - mainly because the world is contains many such people as those of the Bani Israel or some of our dear muhtram janaabs here. Only the latter take it a step further when ,after inquiring about all the specifications of the cow, they then proclaim that it is 'impractical' and 'impossible' to slaughter it because no one has done so in a particular time period.

Good luck to me indeed.

 

[VCheng]

Is it any more unrealistic than convincing all those ulema to accept Pakistan's secularization? No, not at all.

The common grounds exist, and the ulema exist. All that is needed is initiative and will.

Actually, that is a good point. My proposed solution may not be any more applicable than yours, I must admit.

Which, of course leads to the inevitable conclusion that the present state of affairs and the steady decline that we have in Pakistan in particular and in the Muslim countries in general is likely to continue. Just don't call me a pessimist when I say that, just a realist.

 

[SQ8]

Gentleman, it is ridiculous that you folks cannot even have a discussion in the "Seniors"(laughable moniker if anything) cafe for a second. The lack of self control spills out like four year olds inside Toys R us.

 

[VCheng]

Gentleman, it is ridiculous that you folks cannot even have a discussion in the "Seniors"(laughable moniker if anything) cafe for a second. The lack of self control spills out like four year olds inside Toys R us.

Cleanup in Aisle 4!

 

[SQ8]

Cleanup in Aisle 4!

More like here is the mirror ya filthy mugs.

 

[VCheng]

More like here is the mirror ya filthy mugs.

I am responsible for only my behavior. Please do let me know if I have failed in any way in meeting expected standards, anywhere in my discourse in this thread, or any others. I will rectify it immediately.

 

[SQ8]

I am responsible for only my behavior. Please do let me know if I have failed in any way in meeting expected standards, anywhere in my discourse in this thread, or any others. I will rectify it immediately.

How about pulling out.

 

[VCheng]

How about pulling out.

Done, Sir. I am out of here.

 

[TankMan]

Actually, that is a good point. My proposed solution may not be any more applicable than yours, I must admit.

Which, of course leads to the inevitable conclusion that the present state of affairs and the steady decline that we have in Pakistan in particular and in the Muslim countries in general is likely to continue. Just don't call me a pessimist when I say that, just a realist.

So at the end of the day we have two proposed solutions - it is now simply a matter of someone taking the initiative to implement either of them. I still stand by my argument that secularism doesn't solve the issues and only absolves governments of the responsibility to solve them; which is why, if the opportunity ever arises, I will attempt to implement my proposed solution and not yours.

But yes, it is unlikely that that opportunity does arise, in the near future, for me or anyone else. Unlikely, but not impossible.

It may be easy for you to observe from afar and argue against peoples' hopes, but for those whose lives depend on it, their hopes are important. Either way, it wouldn't hurt to hope for the best yet expect the worst.

Let's leave it at that and agree to disagree @Syed.Ali.Haider .