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ISI's role in Raymond Davis case

I fail to understand why ISI or Gen. Pasha is being blamed for the release of Raymond Davis. It was done under the provisions of the Pakistan Qisas & Diyat Law.

Qisas & Diyat laws were introduced in 1990 upon the insistence of the Shariat Appellate Bench of the Supreme Court. The laws have since been used or misused to save to the rich & powerful many times. The most recent case being that of Shah Rukh Jatoi following his brutal murder of Shahzeb but later went scot free after acceptance of the blood money by the legal heirs of the diseased.

Are we now saying that this law, which is in line with the Sharia, is “Wrong” or should the law be applied only to Pakistanis but not on the foreigners? If a cold blooded killer like Shah Rukh Jatoi can be pardoned why not Raymond Davis? Blame the Law not the ISI.

In my opinion, primary purpose of this Law; when it was introduced at the advent of Islam; was to end tribal blood feuds that continued for generations. I agree that under provisions of this Law, Pakistanis with wealth have a licence to kill the poor & the down trodden

There is an old saying that “Justice” is blind; justice under this law is not only blind but also grossly unfair. However, as long this law remains in force, killers like the Raymond Davises and Shah Rukh Jatois will continue to go unpunished.

So it is in Sharia to hold a victim's family members at gun point and blackmail them to accept blood money?

According to RD, Gen Pasha facilitated and orchestrated his release. This could not have been without approval of Gen Kiyani. There is nothing wrong with this scenario except the part where RD writes about the family of the victims being forced at gun point by ISI agents to accept blood money. If this is not true then the Army needs to release an official statement, if it is true then we need to know the reasons behind this illegal act.
 
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So it is in Sharia to hold a victim's family members at gun point and blackmail them to accept blood money?

According to RD, Gen Pasha facilitated and orchestrated his release. This could not have been without approval of Gen Kiyani. There is nothing wrong with this scenario except the part where RD writes about the family of the victims being forced at gun point by ISI agents to accept blood money. If this is not true then the Army needs to release an official statement, if it is true then we need to know the reasons behind this illegal act.
If you had read the leaked report / Draft of Abbottabad Commision then you would not be asking such questions ---
If you had read other books you would have known that nothing new has been said by RD -----
Lt Gen. Pasha was friends with CIA chief, he was the one who would eat dinner with him at his House, matter was discussed & settled out of national interest --- even if that involved holding people hostage
 
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If you had read the leaked report / Draft of Abbottabad Commision then you would not be asking such questions ---
If you had read other books you would have known that nothing new has been said by RD -----
Lt Gen. Pasha was friends with CIA chief, he was the one who would eat dinner with him at his House, matter was discussed & settled out of national interest --- even if that involved holding people hostage

There is no such thing as National interest where National pride and respect is sold.

And, I did read the entire Abbottabad commission report. It exposes lies of the US Government, and that of the Pakistani Military!
 
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Yes there were issues with RD and our political class that time

But isi as a national security guard played well

If you know what is worse for a secret against than death then you won't be saying it

He was exposed all over the world
Changed Pakiatan general public opinion about USA
More than 23 agents had to leave Pakiatan
All such us proxies like it had to leave Pakistan

Now if you understand, what left for him as a person ? Or secret agent ? Nothing

Maybe a book he wrote ? Only

That one incident changed the whole game USA was playing in Pakistan to bring in Afghan war inside Pakistan

Well done ISI
 
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So it is in Sharia to hold a victim's family members at gun point and blackmail them to accept blood money?

According to RD, Gen Pasha facilitated and orchestrated his release. This could not have been without approval of Gen Kiyani. There is nothing wrong with this scenario except the part where RD writes about the family of the victims being forced at gun point by ISI agents to accept blood money. If this is not true then the Army needs to release an official statement, if it is true then we need to know the reasons behind this illegal act.

Common sense tells you that this law in its current form provides a way to the rich & powerful and the dishonest to get away with murder. Don’t know if you have any children. I would prefer to kill the murderer and be hanged rather than accept money as compensation for the deliberate murder of my son. But the fact remains that in Shahzeb murder case the Qisas law used. Do you think there was no intimidation? It is not the Sharia itself but misuse of the Sharia law by the society in general that is the problem.

This is what Supreme Court CJ said:

CJ says God's name being used to evade justice

Dawn.com September 13, 2013

KARACHI: Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry on Friday said pardoning in God's name someone convicted of murder by a court of law was tantamount to evading the law, DawnNews reported.

The chief justice's remarks come days after the parents and two sisters of Shahzeb Khan, who was murdered in cold blood by a business tycoon’s son and his three accomplices, approached the Sindh High Court to seek acquittal of the convicts after pardoning them “in the name of Allah”.

The pardon of the men convicted of Shahzeb's murder triggered a widespread debate over whether the country’s elite could be held accountable for crimes they committed as the prime accused belonged to powerful feudal families.

Today, Chief Justice Iftikhar was speaking on the matter during the hearing of another murder case.

The chief justice stated that it was wrong to use Quranic verses and religion for personal gains.

He said most suffering individuals and families were usually pressured into pardoning the convict, adding that it was the responsibility of the court(s) to prevent acts that harm not only certain people and families, but society at large from occurring.

Chief Justice Iftikhar declared that if an agreement between the parties fails to bring peace to either of the two, it could not be regarded as such. The agreement between the parties has to be valid for a court of law to allow the pardon for the convict(s).

The chief justice has asked Attornery General Munir A. Malik, all four provincial prosecutor generals and Advocate Shahid Hamid, who is representing a party in the case heard today, for their opinions on the issue relating to pardon in murder cases by September 23.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1042609


If I was sure that Pakistani society was peopled with ‘Sadiqs & Ameens’, I would be all for the Sharia Laws as well. But I know that police lets powerful go free but many innocent are found guilty because people lie under oath of Quran and bear false witness. I also fumed when Raymond Davies went scott free but as long as you have Qisas Law on the statute book, dishonest people will continue to invoke it.

Pakistan was a better place; certainly no worse; before these Laws were instituted by the bigot Zia. I am of the view that if we want to prevent the injustice; either you reform the society or put sufficient safeguards in place else abolish the Sharia Law.

You are welcome to disagree but then why blame Gen Pasha, ISI or Raymond Davis who did what many Pakistanis have been doing for a long time.
 
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There is no such thing as National interest where National pride and respect is sold.

And, I did read the entire Abbottabad commission report. It exposes lies of the US Government, and that of the Pakistani Military!
oh please, don't be so melodramatic , you are above that ------ nothing was sold in this case ---- there were bigger gains to look at then two dead bodies & "Death to Amreeka" posters -----
Pride was sold the day CIA agents landed in Pakistan with legit visas -----
Now i know some may come back to me & say that ISI along with SSG was itself operating in Tribal areas along with CIA & Special Ops - as it was then it all started --- but they never opened the doors to US Spys & operate freely as they wish -----

ISI had to do what was needed to be done --- kick out all Persona non grata
 
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Have you lived among villagers etc?
These people are not well off, they work just to LIVE ANOTHER DAY, you really think someone who had the offer of over a million dollars that too in USD would pass it up even tho it meant restarting their families life properly, I have lived among villagers and i know for sure that they would have accepted the Islamic blood money, this is irrefutable.
The guys' wife might have not agreed to the blood money deal but the parents of the guy sure did

Deal has been set, those dead guys families have a better life now so stop speculating.
The point is not the villagers accepting blood money or not.
The point is if they were pressurized or not and more so the weakness of the Pak military and State in dealing with foreign spies running amok.

The reason Pakistan is in such a state are traitors!
 
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People drawing conclusions from this book without any homework or background knowledge of events.

Shuja Pasha and Leon Panetta weren't friends and they did not get along well with each other either. Stop defaming your national figures.

@Windjammer
The idea of our government unilaterally releasing an American spy without ISI consent is bonkers

Hell, the idea of any government releasing a spy without consent of their agency is bonkers

Yes there were issues with RD and our political class that time

But isi as a national security guard played well

If you know what is worse for a secret against than death then you won't be saying it

He was exposed all over the world
Changed Pakiatan general public opinion about USA
More than 23 agents had to leave Pakiatan
All such us proxies like it had to leave Pakistan

Now if you understand, what left for him as a person ? Or secret agent ? Nothing

Maybe a book he wrote ? Only

That one incident changed the whole game USA was playing in Pakistan to bring in Afghan war inside Pakistan

Well done ISI
This is more possibly than the idea of Davis being released without asking ISI.

I still think that even if that was the game, he should still have been punished. At the very least, jail

Wese @S.Y.A, first time I've seen surrendering to American interests as well done Pakistan :D
 
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oh please, don't be so melodramatic , you are above that ------ nothing was sold in this case ---- there were bigger gains to look at then two dead bodies & "Death to Amreeka" posters -----
Pride was sold the day CIA agents landed in Pakistan with legit visas -----
Now i know some may come back to me & say that ISI along with SSG was itself operating in Tribal areas along with CIA & Special Ops - as it was then it all started --- but they never opened the doors to US Spys & operate freely as they wish -----

ISI had to do what was needed to be done --- kick out all Persona non grata

Does that include conniving with the US in OBL and Abbotabad drama? Does that also extend to the extreme shaming of Pakistan in global media, international forums and conventions? Does that also include facilitation to US and Indian agencies to malign Pakistan thereby not only neutralizing any gains Pakistan had achieved but stamping Pakistan as a supporter of terrorist organizations despite losing over USD 80 Billion in lost revenues directly and indirectly and sacrificing over 60k Pakistanis?????

NO! I refuse to believe that ISI Chief, Pasha, and Army Chief, Kiyani, and/or their teams and advisers were that stupid! The only tangible conclusion is that they had personal interests in all the above. And yet there is no accountability for the way they neutralized, rather negated, our sacrifices over the past several years.
 
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Politics and sentiments aside,
Banda jesa bhe tha, kam mardo wala kar k gaya ha, paraye mulk ma 2 bando ko lamba kar gaya or farar bhe.
 
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