ISIS Captures Tora Bora, Once Bin Laden’s Afghan Fortress

[Hamza913]

ISIS now knocking right at the doors of Pakistan. Praying that the patriotic Armed Forces of Pakistan blow them to smithereens, before these monsters inflict more damage to Pakistan.

We should be launching strikes in Afghanistan, but for some reason we don't. It's silly.

Donot drag India into your mess.

Several ISIS fighters who died when Trump dropped the MOAB were identified as Indian. These guys have also been caught using equipment made in India. I

India is most certainly part of this mess.

What a trustable sources TTP leader , criminals that killed hundred of kids in APS.
Others would have been shot them on sight .

We dont support anyone ,all this are just imaginations.

You support the Baluchi insurgents, but I'm sceptical of anyone who claims your country officially sponsors any other insurgents in KPK.

Best option is to use afghan taliban to fight the Indian sponsored ISIS in Afghanistan.

The Afghan nation army is useless.

Clearly the Taliban aren't fairing too well either. Best option is some good old fashioned DIY.

Nonsense, those are pakistan's own creations.

and the Afghan aka "good" Taliban are backed by Pakistan.

Yes because they are better than the rapist, paedophile, munafiq Afghan army.

Just invade eastern afghanistan and take the baloch and pashtun parts including the wakhan strip and take out any resistance and terrorism.

What are you high? It's literally impossible to conquer Afghanistan, it's the graveyard of empires. A few airstrikes and cross border raids will be enough.

 

[The Accountant]

We should be launching strikes in Afghanistan, but for some reason we don't. It's silly.



Several ISIS fighters who died when Trump dropped the MOAB were identified as Indian. These guys have also been caught using equipment made in India. I

India is most certainly part of this mess.



You support the Baluchi insurgents, but I'm sceptical of anyone who claims your country officially sponsors any other insurgents in KPK.



Clearly the Taliban aren't fairing too well either. Best option is some good old fashioned DIY.








Yes because they are better than the rapist, paedophile, munafiq Afghan army.



What are you high? It's literally impossible to conquer Afghanistan, it's the graveyard of empires. A few airstrikes and cross border raids will be enough.

Best strategy is to seal the border and provide support to local tribal elders so that they can take care of their own land ... they will defend the border for you ...

 

[Hamza913]

Best strategy is to seal the border and provide support to local tribal elders so that they can take care of their own land ... they will defend the border for you ...

That works well, but it's not a guarantee. Doing that whilst simultaneously striking ISIS militants using PAF and SSG assets is the best bet.

 

[The Accountant]

That works well, but it's not a guarantee. Doing that whilst simultaneously striking ISIS militants using PAF and SSG assets is the best bet.

Bro as of now Pak is too much highlighted on international front ... i would love to roast ISIS but as of now we should get on backfoot in afghanistan and should work on our own mess ... priority should be focus on internal security and border management issues ... we need to train and equip local police ... army cannot be there forever ...

Going into Afghanistan means giving them a moral reason to react ... there will be sermon against us in afghanistan ... we will be declared kafi etc etc ...

Its better to seal border and if they try to do some misschief hit them hard ... infact we should push usa diplomatically to take action against them ...

 

[Hamza913]

Bro as of now Pak is too much highlighted on international front ... i would love to roast ISIS but as of now we should get on backfoot in afghanistan and should work on our own mess ... priority should be focus on internal security and border management issues ... we need to train and equip local police ... army cannot be there forever ...

Going into Afghanistan means giving them a moral reason to react ... there will be sermon against us in afghanistan ... we will be declared kafi etc etc ...

Its better to seal border and if they try to do some misschief hit them hard ... infact we should push usa diplomatically to take action against them ...

We need to deal with these guys on ALL FRONTS. That includes Afghanistan.

 

[The Accountant]

We need to deal with these guys on ALL FRONTS. That includes Afghanistan.

Agreed but we are already over occupied ... bro after nuclear bomb. Chances of attack from outside are remote ... we are being eaten away internally so our focus ahould be on border management and internal issues

 

[Hamza913]

Agreed but we are already over occupied ... bro after nuclear bomb. Chances of attack from outside are remote ... we are being eaten away internally so our focus ahould be on border management and internal issues

Of course, but ISIS can and will become an internal issue, especially if they are using Hindustani equipment and Hindustanis are among their ranks.

 

[Eagle_storm]

Of course, but ISIS can and will become an internal issue, especially if they are using Hindustani equipment and Hindustanis are among their ranks.

I agree with you they are having support from raw cia and mossad in Afghanistan and as well as in other states.

My suggestion to provide the best weapons to emirat islmai to eliminate this fitna otherwise
For this we have already got companies
And if they support isis proudly we should support the afghan taliban then cuz i got some clues let me show it in the next quote.

@dsr478

http://en.alalam.ir/news/1983813

It is from afg government who will be i guess in fear after this statement.
I'm guessing they are gradually realising the poison usa in their country.

If someone do me a favor to publish this thread will be thankful to him.please

http://en.alalam.ir/news/1983813




A senior Afghan legislator revealed that the US helicopters have transferred a large number of ISIS terrorists to the province of Nangarhar in the Eastern parts of the country.
(FNA) -- Last week, the US military helicopters transferred over 50 ISIS fighters to Barabad region of the town of Behsoud in Nangarhar province, Zahir Qadir said.
He also disclosed that a container full of military equipment was also delivered to the ISIS terrorists in Nari Obeh region of Nangarhar province.
Qadir called the US as the actual murderer of Afghan people, urging the government to pursue the issue.

Nangarhar was among the relatively calm provinces in Eastern Afghanistan but the Taliban and ISIS have recently increased their activities in some parts of the province in recent years.
This comes as an anti-ISIS operation is underway in Nangarhar to eliminate the presence of ISIS affiliates in this province.
The operations are currently being conducted under the name of Hamza operations which was launched a few months ago to suppress the loyalists of the terror group in this province.

 

[The Accountant]

Of course, but ISIS can and will become an internal issue, especially if they are using Hindustani equipment and Hindustanis are among their ranks.

Yes agreed ... thats why i suggested that its better to seal your borders and support local people in defending thier land as a result ISIS will be occupied on Afghanistan internally ...

If you attack them directly they will start brain washing pushtoons and locals against Pakistan and then risk of ISIS entering Pak will increase ...

 

[Hamza913]

Yes agreed ... thats why i suggested that its better to seal your borders and support local people in defending thier land as a result ISIS will be occupied on Afghanistan internally ...

If you attack them directly they will start brain washing pushtoons and locals against Pakistan and then risk of ISIS entering Pak will increase ...

1/3 of the Pakistani army is filled with Pashtuns. Believe me, they won't defect.

 

[Eagle_storm]

To all pakis brothers ops had been carried out there today and yesterday I'm not authorized to place the name but soon it will came to hear that the isis really captured or it is just a lobby by CIA MOSSAD..
There is about something starting between pentagon and CIA. Trump already dig the grave denial of further troops.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/16/dod-denies-reports-additional-troops-afghanistan/





http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/16/r...eak-down-as-pentagon-denies-troop-deployment/


I personally wish that a civil war start in usa so that can taste their own poisons.

 

[The Accountant]

1/3 of the Pakistani army is filled with Pashtuns. Believe me, they won't defect.

Sir this is not the risk worth taking ... there are already incident like mehran base attach, kamra attack, naval ship attack in karachi in which on duty officers helped ... naval ship was under the direct lead of navy officer ...

Sir this is a 4th generation warfare ... enemy is not out of the borded ... it is within our own lines hidden within ourselves ... we have to put emotions aside and have to create unity from within ... there are still sympathizer of afghans in our country ... dont give them reason to brain wash our youngones ...

My stratgey is simple ... close the border ... slowly and gradually put every aghan out ... establish good relations with local afghan leadership if afghan gov is not willing to have good relations with Pak then just ignore them and focus on afghan taliban leadership as soone or later they will take over ...

For any strike from afghanistan inside pakistan retaliate massively as it will give you morale ground to react .... this war is more phychological ...

Within our own self create national values and make reforms in other law enforcement services ...

 

[war&peace]

Another MOAB is needed and this time we will find even more ndians dead this time. ISIS must be eliminated at all costs.

 

[war&peace]

When Daesh’s leader declared Caliphate in Mosul in summers 2014, the question whether it is so or not rose in many minds. A young mind whether trained in modern academic institution or in a madrasah naturally turned to internet as a source for the latest news. What newspapers and electronic channels were shying away from reporting, perhaps owing to information policy was being freely shared on the internet. As electronic and print media were not the first ones to report, rather it was ‘hearsay’ through which the news spread, most people turned to social media to ‘confirm’ the news of such an occurrence. This was all ‘normal’, governments covering up, news channels and newspapers knowingly looking the other way, and social media exposing reality, just like wiki leaks. Information was travelling fast through twitter and facebook accounts. Daesh-specific Webpages were attracting more surfers while chat-rooms and watsApp groups had picked up the gossips and were sharing video links. By the time international media jumped in, shortly followed by national media; it was well known on the streets that the world didn’t want the news to be out, and if that were the case, ‘there must be something good about it’. Silently, social media had outperformed the formal news sources, and the youth thought they could make better sense of reality through their own ‘sources’ on information highway!

That's the positive aspect of the social media that the govt imposed censors on the main stream media crumble in the former. Govts and media were all hush hush about ISIS in the start as if they were allowing it take strong hold or they were too embarrassed, dumbfounded or the masters of ISIS asked Rupert Murdoch to put a lid on it until their creation becomes self sustaining.

As for the first part, Allah (SWT) in Quran says, ‘O you who believe, if a sinful person brings you a report, verify its correctness, lest you should harm a people out of ignorance, and then become remorseful on what you did’ (Al-Hujarat:6). Explaining this verse Ibn-e-Kathir has reported an incident which has been narrated widely by various mufasareen (commentators) with slight variations. In a nutshell, the incident was regarding collection of zakat from Bani al-Mustaliq when the tribe embraced Islam, the Holy Prophet sent a man to collect zakat from them. When he arrived in the territory of the tribe, he remembered about the old enmity he had with the tribe since the days of jahilyya (days before Islam). He became scared, lest they should harm him and without visiting the people of the tribe returned to Medina and complained to the Holy Prophet that they had refused to pay the zakat and had even wanted to kill him. On hearing this Holy Prophet (SAW) dispatched a contingent, led by Khalid (RA), with clear instructions, i.e., a) not to be hasty and b) investigate and confirm the news first. Following the instructions of his master, Khalid (RA) stationed his troops outside the town and sent spies to confirm the news. The spies reported back that the tribe was on faith and there was no evidence to blame them for any wrong action. The next morning, Khalid (RA) went himself to further verify the news of his spies and found that they were right and thus reported back to the Messenger (SAW), the verse was thus sent down. A great blunder would have occurred had the news not been verified and had there been haste in acting upon the news. So, it was instilled upon Muslims that ‘Whenever you receive important news bearing upon a vital matter you should not accept it immediately but should first examine the man who has brought it. If he is an evil-doer be cautious and do not be hasty in taking any actions.’ And remember, this is not about every news; the Arabic word used in the verse, naba particularly means an ‘important news’. Therefore, the rule does not apply on ordinary matters.

Great reference. If we Muslims, even non-Muslims for that matter, act upon this verse a lot of rumours will die before proliferating and a lot of catastrophes can be averted and this brings us on to the negative aspect of the social media. Although it is so liberating and anti-censor, it is a big rumour factory too and it is difficult to establish the veracity of the news unless the person is super vigilant and experienced in dealing with such news.

From the verse many legal principles have been deduced and have been practiced by the faithful for centuries. For example, you will find the collectors of ahadees (sayings of the Prophet SAW), avoiding taking ahadees from fasiqun (evil-doers/transgressors). Similarly, it became mandatory for the state to verify the report brought by its spy whose character was doubtful. Another rule drawn is that news should not be acted upon if received from the person whose character cannot be evaluated for fisq (evil doing), like in the case of an unknown person. Imam Abu Bakr al Jasas has concluded that acting upon news form a fasiq (evil-doer) concerning the rights or duties of Muslims or regarding a Shari’ah commandment is prohibited.

That's true.

It does not end here; as important news was verified by the Prophet (SAW) by sending a contingent to the area so, could we send a wise confidant of ours to Daesh controlled territory? It is the answer to this question that further pushes one back, for Daesh did not allow visitors to tour around their state for evaluating their claims of Shari’ah implementation. Daesh would charge a person with espionage, if the person visited them with the intent to return back to his people for reporting what he had seen. Needless to say, what the punishment for a spy is? So it is banned by Daesh to visit their state for some time and return to one’s hometown for informing the people about reality. In the city-state of Medina, Tribal elders used to meet the Prophet (SAW), ask questions about Islam and learn about matters concerning duties.They would stay in the city for couple of days only to return to their tribes.

There is nothing Islamic about ISIS. It is acting totally against the principles of Islam and only causing irreparable loss to the Muslims, fighting with American weapons and money, they have used US dollars to recruit people from all over the world. And their collaboration with Israel speaks volumes about its origin and intentions.


Excellent post once again. Keep the good work up

 

[Providence]

What's tora bora ? Barely a cave !