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Bangladesh is at per with India in terms of literacy.Bangladesh don't count 7-15 years old school student as a literate person unlike India.That's why it shows several percentage point lower than india.

Wrong. Bangladesh is well below India in 15+ adult literacy rate and youth literacy rate according to UN (UNESCO). We have talked about this in many threads before.

In fact Bangladesh is behind in all major education parameters....roughly half way between India and Pakistan in most measures....and sometimes closer to one or the other.

http://data.uis.unesco.org/Index.aspx?queryid=166

You are now at the adult literacy rate that India had in 2001. Congrats.

India is slightly above BD in HDI index due to sole reason of having 400 usd per-capita gdp in India relative to BD.iF bd achive per capita parity with India then HDI point of BD will be more.

Sole reason? You forgot expected and mean years of schooling (Education index)? Or just not convenient to mention that given you claimed B'desh is on par w.r.t literacy :D

Bangladesh still doesn't invest in R&D to speak off.Big economy require heavy industry which in turn require a lot of investment in R&D which produce a lot of patent.Up until now BD is doing well by just with small industry.BD can go a lot of road with just small industry,but India which have 10 times larger economy than BD, investing in R&D is must,without which it can't go much.That's why you are seeing a lot of patents.

BD is rapidly progressing in IT field.In 2009 our IT related export were mere 26 million dollar, but last year 300 million dollar.Both are tiny figure compared to India,but you should see the growth trajectory.When BD will adopt more and more high-tech industry,our Patents will grow astronomically.

Good. Now you have understood one reason why the PPP multiplier is greater in India: Economies of scale.

Good job filing fewer number of patents than Guatemala. Even Pakistan managed to file in double digits barely. Not every patent is industrially related.

As for trajectories, you used to file 0, year after year. You have achieved infinite growth in something!

India is a third world shit hole, its growth indicators are fudged and its 'bangladeshi illegal immigrants' ramblings are a myth created by the RSS.

So that makes Bangladesh a 4th or 5th world country. You ignored the UN report that clearly states there are at least 3 million illegal Bangladeshis in India.
 
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Wrong. Bangladesh is well below India in 15+ adult literacy rate and youth literacy rate according to UN (UNESCO). We have talked about this in many threads before.

In fact Bangladesh is behind in all major education parameters....roughly half way between India and Pakistan in most measures....and sometimes closer to one or the other.
http://data.uis.unesco.org/Index.aspx?queryid=166

You are now at the adult literacy rate that India had in 2001. Congrats.
Wrong according to this data BD is at 2006 level of India.Check out again.

To achieve 86 percent adult literacy rate,BIMARU states need around 80 percent literacy rate which contain half of India's population.I don't think BIMARU states have 80 percent adult literacy.Literacy as whole and specially female literacy is very low there.
To add this,BD's literacy criteria is not as low as India. We consider some person literate officially if he/she can read newspaper,write a letter correctly and have basic mathematical skill.
 
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Wrong according to this data BD is at 2006 level of India.Check out again.

India at 2001: 61.01% India at 2006: 62.75%

Bangladesh 2015: 61.55%

Using interpolation, the level is around 2003. Fine its not 2001...but its not 2006 either :D. Either way 12 years behind, just like your economy.

To achieve 86 percent adult literacy rate,BIMARU states need around 80 percent literacy rate which contain half of India's population.I don't think BIMARU states have 80 percent adult literacy.Literacy as whole and specially female literacy is very low there.

Don't talk about stuff you don't know anything about.

BIMARU states have roughly the literacy rate of Bangladesh. That is the low end of the spectrum.

Let me give you an example. Over 7 year literacy rate in India in 2011 was 74.04%. Over 15 literacy rate was 69.3%.

That is a ratio of 69.3/74.04 = 0.936 to convert between over 7 to over 15.

The literacy rates for BIMARU states in 2011 were (over 15 conversion in brackets):

Bihar: 63.82% (59.74%)

Madhya Pradesh: 70.63% (66.11%)

Rajasthan: 67.06% (62.77%)

Uttar Pradesh: 69.72% (65.26%)

For comparison Bangladesh over 15 literacy rate in 2013 (2 years later) is 59.72% according to UNESCO

These BIMARU states literacy rates increased by a large amount between 2001 and 2011. Bihar experienced a near 17% increasing in 10 years....and it is continuing today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_states_ranking_by_literacy_rate

They are well on course to reaching 80%+ soon as the less literate cohorts die and the more literate cohorts enter the workforce and family age.

Let me direct you to the statistics of schooling:

https://defence.pk/threads/pakistan...angladesh-diplomat.410043/page-6#post-7921579

Not only overall literacy rates but also schooling enrolment, completion, India is way ahead. Again BIMARU states I would assume are the low end level on par with Bangladesh....pulling down the overall average of the country.

To add this,BD's literacy criteria is not as low as India. We consider some person literate officially if he/she can read newspaper,write a letter correctly and have basic mathematical skill.

India census uses the UNESCO and UNICEF definition. If Bangladesh wants to use some other definition (I'd like to see an official source), thats your choice....but global organisations like UN will standardise the raw data when compiled internationally so it meets their definition.
 
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Kamal shouldn't have mentioned 'conspiracy', it puts confidence in the nation's security under serious scrutiny in an increasingly dangerous and murky world.

Regime insecurity... There was a seminar on extremism in Dhaka recently which was attended by representatives from the government, media and the civil society. There, the government asked everybody not to talk about the ISIS and the overall status of Islamic militancy in Bangladesh "for the sake of the nation".

It's true that ISIS doesn't have any direct presence in Bangladesh as of now; they have bases only in Khorasan (Afghanistan-Pakistan) in South Asia. But the suspects of these killings have identified themselves as members of ISIS in their interrogation. Note that there have been organizations promoting themselves as franchisees of ISIS in Bangladesh.

The most interesting part is the latest issue of Dabiq where they published a feature interview of the commander of ISIS operations in Bangladesh. The issue also highlighted the contribution of Bangladeshis in ISIS operations in Syria like that of Abu Jindal. All these things are pointing towards something serious regarding Bangladesh...
 
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We don't need ISIS, we have homegrown extremists in every part of the county. Geographic distance doesn't mean anything, the extension of ISIS is Boko Al Haram and they are in Africa. Ideology knows no bounds and side note, it doesn't take Pakistan to export terrorism. The extremists and their sentiments arising as the government were and are making some questionable moves.

Regime insecurity... There was a seminar on extremism in Dhaka recently which was attended by representatives from the government, media and the civil society. There, the government asked everybody not to talk about the ISIS and the overall status of Islamic militancy in Bangladesh "for the sake of the nation".

It's true that ISIS doesn't have any direct presence in Bangladesh as of now; they have bases only in Khorasan (Afghanistan-Pakistan) in South Asia. But the suspects of these killings have identified themselves as members of ISIS in their interrogation. Note that there have been organizations promoting themselves as franchisees of ISIS in Bangladesh.

The most interesting part is the latest issue of Dabiq where they published a feature interview of the commander of ISIS operations in Bangladesh. The issue also highlighted the contribution of Bangladeshis in ISIS operations in Syria like that of Abu Jindal. All these things are pointing towards something serious regarding Bangladesh...
Abu Jandal al-Bangali

Odd name, but the concept of Mujahideen has become very popular especially after the Bosnia. And different nationalities join in these conflicts and the natives name them usually with their nationality at the end. Many Bangladeshis who went to Syria these past couple of years they were known as 'Al-Bengal', Al-Hind, Al-Britani etc etc.

Btw, I doubt ISIS have operations in Khorasan.
 
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India at 2001: 61.01% India at 2006: 62.75%

Bangladesh 2015: 61.55%

Using interpolation, the level is around 2003. Fine its not 2001...but its not 2006 either :D. Either way 12 years behind, just like your economy.



Don't talk about stuff you don't know anything about.

BIMARU states have roughly the literacy rate of Bangladesh. That is the low end of the spectrum.

Let me give you an example. Over 7 year literacy rate in India in 2011 was 74.04%. Over 15 literacy rate was 69.3%.

That is a ratio of 69.3/74.04 = 0.936 to convert between over 7 to over 15.

The literacy rates for BIMARU states in 2011 were (over 15 conversion in brackets):

Bihar: 63.82% (59.74%)

Madhya Pradesh: 70.63% (66.11%)

Rajasthan: 67.06% (62.77%)

Uttar Pradesh: 69.72% (65.26%)

For comparison Bangladesh over 15 literacy rate in 2013 (2 years later) is 59.72% according to UNESCO

These BIMARU states literacy rates increased by a large amount between 2001 and 2011. Bihar experienced a near 17% increasing in 10 years....and it is continuing today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_states_ranking_by_literacy_rate

They are well on course to reaching 80%+ soon as the less literate cohorts die and the more literate cohorts enter the workforce and family age.

Let me direct you to the statistics of schooling:

https://defence.pk/threads/pakistan...angladesh-diplomat.410043/page-6#post-7921579

Not only overall literacy rates but also schooling enrolment, completion, India is way ahead. Again BIMARU states I would assume are the low end level on par with Bangladesh....pulling down the overall average of the country.



India census uses the UNESCO and UNICEF definition. If Bangladesh wants to use some other definition (I'd like to see an official source), thats your choice....but global organisations like UN will standardise the raw data when compiled internationally so it meets their definition.

In spite of you trying so vehemently to counter the fact - India is no first world (or even a second world) country, whether in terms of education, health, hygiene or any other social Indicator. That is the concept almost every Indian Bhakt poster in this forum is trying to establish, and every Bangladeshi in this forum has an issue with.

If India was even a second world country then Nobel winning economists like Amartya Sen are untruthful and it is not the same India we see in every one of our visits there. Are you saying there is some hidden India you guys see and we don't? :lol:

While India may not exactly be a third world sh*thole everywhere, it'd be summarily untrue in saying everything runs wonderfully in all of India and everyone is well-educated and healthy. Far from it. Like one of your thread says, India (like Bangladesh) has a long way to go....it is sad that India (a much larger subcontinent with over a billion souls and so much potential) has to be compared to Bangladesh which has only been Independent for maybe forty plus years and which is smaller than many of its states.

Splitting hairs is only fodder for amusement of third parties. Like the Chinese. Now that is something India should aim for. Dilli door ast.....
 
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In spite of you trying so vehemently to counter the fact - India is no first world (or even a second world) country, whether in terms of education, health, hygiene or any other social Indicator. That is the concept almost every Indian Bhakt poster in this forum is trying to establish, and every Bangladeshi in this forum has an issue with.

If India was even a second world country then Nobel winning economists like Amartya Sen are untruthful and it is not the same India we see in every one of our visits there. Are you saying there is some hidden India you guys see and we don't? :lol:

While India may not exactly be a third world sh*thole everywhere, it'd be summarily untrue in saying everything runs wonderfully in all of India and everyone is well-educated and healthy. Far from it. Like one of your thread says, India (like Bangladesh) has a long way to go....it is sad that India (a much larger subcontinent with over a billion souls and so much potential) has to be compared to Bangladesh which has only been Independent for maybe forty plus years and which is smaller than many of its states.

Splitting hairs is only fodder for amusement of third parties. Like the Chinese. Now that is something India should aim for. Dilli door ast.....

Nowhere did I say anywhere India has A or B class overall level education. It is highly variable so of course it doesn't. That goes for almost any development parameter. But it is undeniable that in Education, India overall is much ahead of Bangladesh overall....and there are specific states + areas of excellence in much greater number and impact than in Bangladesh currently.

Of course we know our India much better than people who visit, both good and bad across the subcontinent. Have you been to TN rural villages and cities for example and witnessed their socio-economic profile with those of the Hindi heartland and Bangladesh? I similarly hope to one day see Bangladesh for myself to see its strengths and weaknesses first hand....so I don't have to rely on 3rd party accounts.

There are many reasons why India average in education, income and poverty is better than Bangladesh, there are large swathes of higher development to pull up the average. I have no issue in accepting Bangladesh has overall better parameters in health and sanitation....just like I have no issue in the fact South and West India are not forced to stick to a tight bound around an overall national average (there are plenty of states, which combine to have a population much larger than Bangladesh...where health and sanitation are equal and/or better).

India not being a homogeneous nation is a huge advantage.....because the success has really taken root in large areas (states the population of UK, France, Canada etc)....the success and failure profile of the experience is now something so striking...and the political ramifications are in full force since the 90s. We have it all within one political union....one much stronger than say europe did right after the collapse of the USSR and the disjointedness that existed between the success of the west versus east in that continent (during the cold war, akin to the relative lower economic integration + central planning/massive state interference in India during the same time that lead to large inefficiencies to promoting socio-economic development to the speed that was really needed and doable) ......and the gradual transition and flow of reforms and ideas that naturally transitioned because of the greater democratic and transparency that was created overall. Capacity realisation is no longer restricted as it was before and the shackles continue to loosen in India.

Which ideas and models work are clear to everyone, and become harder to obscure to the general populace as they become more aware of the conditions in other parts of their country. India is really a nation formed of many entire populations of different definitions (language, income, social development). Till about the 80s-90s one could argue that the populations outside of a few of the largest cities were largely homogeneous in their socio-economic profile (outside of a few areas like Kerala). That is no longer the case and thats a good thing.

Just like in Bangladesh context, you got Dhaka and CTG to pull up the averages and show the routes to higher development....we have entire states to do that for India. There is nothing different here conceptually.
 
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Killers of LGBT activist's footage from CCTV

 
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Killers of LGBT activist's footage from CCTV


Im giving a clue interrogate these two, riddle will be solved. Only observe their activity closely from start

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Regime insecurity... There was a seminar on extremism in Dhaka recently which was attended by representatives from the government, media and the civil society. There, the government asked everybody not to talk about the ISIS and the overall status of Islamic militancy in Bangladesh "for the sake of the nation".

lol...

It's true that ISIS doesn't have any direct presence in Bangladesh as of now; they have bases only in Khorasan (Afghanistan-Pakistan) in South Asia. But the suspects of these killings have identified themselves as members of ISIS in their interrogation. Note that there have been organizations promoting themselves as franchisees of ISIS in Bangladesh.

The most interesting part is the latest issue of Dabiq where they published a feature interview of the commander of ISIS operations in Bangladesh. The issue also highlighted the contribution of Bangladeshis in ISIS operations in Syria like that of Abu Jindal. All these things are pointing towards something serious regarding Bangladesh...

Anyone can pick up the their banner and commit attacks in their name, and Daesh commanders will hail them once they know of it (news flies fast these days). The terrorist attacks in Sydney and Jakarta is a testament to that. Daesh doesn't follow a traditional command and control structure. It is a decentralized organization.

We don't need ISIS, we have homegrown extremists in every part of the county. Geographic distance doesn't mean anything, the extension of ISIS is Boko Al Haram and they are in Africa. Ideology knows no bounds and side note, it doesn't take Pakistan to export terrorism. The extremists and their sentiments arising as the government were and are making some questionable moves.

I along with other members warned long ago in this very forum about banning the various Islamist parties.

Once an organization move underground with established communications and operations, it becomes very difficult to track them. This is partly the reason why the police are unable to bring them to justice. And it won't be surprising if those operatives have a degree of local support, particularly at rural level.

Another disturbing trend that complements with the above issue is that serious crimes like murder are occurring with near absolute impunity. And nobody has any idea why.

Odd name, but the concept of Mujahideen has become very popular especially after the Bosnia. And different nationalities join in these conflicts and the natives name them usually with their nationality at the end. Many Bangladeshis who went to Syria these past couple of years they were known as 'Al-Bengal', Al-Hind, Al-Britani etc etc.

Interesting...how many people of Bangladeshi origin are estimated to be in Syria? Would these bring any implications in Bangladesh?
 
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Anyone can pick up the their banner and commit attacks in their name, and Daesh commanders will hail them once they know of it (news flies fast these days). The terrorist attacks in Sydney and Jakarta is a testament to that. Daesh doesn't follow a traditional command and control structure. It is a decentralized organization.



I along with other members warned long ago in this very forum about banning the various Islamist parties.

Once an organization move underground with established communications and operations, it becomes very difficult to track them. This is partly the reason why the police are unable to bring them to justice. And it won't be surprising if those operatives have a degree of local support, particularly at rural level.



Interesting...how many people of Bangladeshi origin are estimated to be in Syria? Would these bring any implications in Bangladesh?

Put it this way, out of the Asian Diaspora in the UK, most of them were Brit Bangladeshis. The most recent one being that family from Luton. Except for that there are many Bangladeshis like Abu Dujana, Ifthikar Jaman (The first person from UK to go Syria), the most prominent case was the 3 school girls who left for Turkey and went via Turkey-Syria border, these girls did not live too far from me. In the same postal district.
 
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Okay, I don't know how India got into this thread but, whatever here are my 2 cents.

ISIS can never bring a "jihad" to this country, the vast majority of militant attacks have been against civilians. Our military has a good handle against militants so there is a very low chance that they will attack the military. Additionally, ISIS is crumbling down. They are losing lands in Iraq and Syria. This call for a center of global jihad just sounds like desperation to make it seem as if they are still alive. I do not expect ISIS to make any of the land gains they did in the Middle East within South Asia.
 
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'Anyone could become a target’: wave of Islamist killings hits Bangladesh
Spate of attacks on country’s prominent atheist and gay activists, bloggers and academics engulfs Dhaka



A protest in Dhaka by the Bangladesh Students Union following the murders of Xulhaz Mannan and Mahbub Rabbi Tonoy. Photograph: Mohammad Ponir Hossain/Zuma/Rex/Shutterstock
Saad Hammadi

Saturday 30 April 2016 22.17 BST Last modified on Saturday 30 April 2016 23.34 BST



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There is an eerie feeling out on the streets of Bangladesh. To some of the city’s academics, activists and gay community, Dhaka now feels more dangerous than a war zone, after a spate of machete attacks by Islamist groups, including the murder last week of the founder of Bangladesh’s first magazine for the gay community.

At least 16 people have died in such attacks in the past three years, among them six secular bloggers, two university professors, an Italian priest, two other foreigners working in the development sector, and a prominent gay activist.

On Saturday a Hindu man, Nikhil Joarder, was hacked to death in the district of Tangail, central Bangladesh, with police suggesting his killing might be connected to a 2012 complaint claiming that he had made comments against the prophet Muhammad.


Other targets have included high-profile cultural and intellectual figures, but also very private individuals, apparently murdered simply because Islamists objected to their lifestyle. The diversity of the victims, and the authorities’ sluggish response to the killing spree, have spread fear among anyone who identifies with those who have been killed.

“I am more worried now here than I ever was in Afghanistan, where the threats were more of an existential nature,” says a gay American who has spent time in the war-torn country and now lives in Bangladesh. He asked not to be named.

Among his friends to have died were Xulhaz Mannan, a prominent activist – founder of Roopbaan, the country’s only magazine for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community – and Mannan’s friend, Mahbub Rabbi Tonoy. Six to seven assailants pretending to be from a courier company forced their way into Mannan’s apartment and hacked the two men to death last week.

Homosexuality is illegal in Bangladesh and many members of the gay community were already living in fear of being identified. Now they also have to fear for their lives – and the murders have in effect outed many young people by forcing them to change their daily routine.

“The news of Xulhaz and Tonoy’s deaths has exposed many young gays and lesbians to their families before they were ready,” says a close friend of Mannan’s, who lives in the US and also did not want to be named. “I know of people not going to work for seven days, who have no hope of going back now.”

Shockwaves from the killings went far beyond the gay or activist communities, reaching diplomatic and development workers. Mannan was a former employee of the US embassy and before his death worked at the US government’s development agency USAid.

“They [militants] are really trying to get attention by striking against the people whose deaths would get [wide publicity],” says another US expatriate from within the gay community. “It makes me think twice about certain things,” he told the Observer.The attackers are also striking at Bangladeshi cultural and intellectual life far beyond the capital. Two days before Mannan and Tonoy were killed, two men on a motorbike drew up to a bus stop in the northwestern city of Rajshahi and hacked Rezaul Karim Siddique to death. Islamic State said that he had been killed for “calling to atheism”.

Siddique was an English professor at Rajshahi University, a musician and a devout Muslim who had no political affiliation. An aficionado of the sitar, he donated to the mosque in his home village and had helped students at its madrasa, or religious school, according to Muhammad Shahiduzzaman, a professor of international relations at the University of Dhaka.

“Anybody could become a target,” Shahiduzzaman says.

Many of those now living in fear think that this was exactly the intention of the killers. Five grisly murders within a month have had a chilling effect across Bangladeshi society. “I have had to cut down on my presence in the civil liberty protests. It was not this frightening even a few days ago,” says Imran H Sarkar, the leader of secular activist group Ganajagaran Mancha.




Activist Mahbub Rabbi Tonoy was killed alongside a friend in a homophobic attack. Photograph: REX/Shutterstock/Rex/Shutterstock
Responsibility for all of the attacks has been claimed either by Islamic State or Ansar al-Islam, a chapter of al-Qaida in the subcontinent, but Bangladeshi authorities have denied the existence of international jihadi groups in the country. They say the attacks are being carried out by homegrown militants with links to the main opposition party, who are seeking to destabilise the government.

Regardless of who is behind the killings, they are a worrying sign of weakening political and security institutions, in a country of 160 million that until now has proved relatively successful in battling extremism.

Bangladesh’s majority Bengali Muslim population has historically had relatively liberal values, says Afsan Chowdhury, a political analyst, but those traditions are now under threat. “Islamic militancy has been growing for the last 10 to 15 years as political institutions have weakened,” he adds.


Murders of gay activists and secularists highlight culture of impunity, with Hasina and Awami League accused of failing to act
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After the prime minister, Sheikh Hasina, held on to power in a 2014 election boycotted by the main opposition Bangladesh Nationalist party and its allies, authorities arrested senior opposition leaders on charges of instigating violence.

“The government has very effectively punished the opposition to the point they are not really a political force any more,” says Chowdhury. The vacuum of a strong opposition has made the atmosphere unpredictable.

The spate of killings started in February 2013 after activists demanded that the government hang everyone convicted of collaborating with the Pakistan army during the country’s war of independence from Pakistan in 1971.

Many of those brought to trial, in proceedings widely criticised by human rights groups for not meeting international standards, were linked to the opposition and its Islamist allies. One Islamist group, Hefazat-e-Islam, responded by drawing up a list of 84 atheist bloggers and demanding that the government take action against them for publishing blasphemous content online. At least five of the victims since 2013 were named on that list.

But there has been little official support for others who appear on it, and families of victims and those at risk fear police investigations are too slow and ineffective. So far at least 46 people have been arrested, but only two have been found guilty; they were given the death penalty for their role in the killing of the blogger Ahmed Rajib Haider.

“An arrest is not an assurance of justice,” said Sarkar, the secular campaigner.

There is also frustration that some killers of Avijit Roy, a murdered American blogger of Bangladeshi origin, have been able to escape the country.

Concerns about security are mounting from the international quarters after the killing of Mannan. “The government will try to hunt down possible suspects [in Mannan’s killing] but whether they can really get at the actual culprit, there is a great deal of doubt,” Shahiduzzaman told the Observer.

Survivors feel forgotten. Asha Mone’s husband, the blogger Niladry Chattopadhya, was hacked to death in front of her, but police have not contacted her in five months, she told the Observer. Officers said they had arrested five suspects in relation to the case.

Many are also concerned that authorities who should be chasing the killers are instead blaming the victims. They point to a statement by Bangladesh’s police chief after the killing of Mannan, asking citizens to be aware of their security, and other comments by officials blaming blogger victims for writing about religion. “What upsets me most is how [the] government is now going out of their way to find other motives behind the murder,” says Mannan’s friend who lives in the US.

Even if the authorities do step up efforts to find and prosecute the killers, the fear that has been created will linger.

“I walk in the park every morning, and today a man came towards me carrying a knife. When he walked past me, I turned my head so I could check he was walking away,” says a gay expatriate living in the diplomats’ area of Dhaka.

He could not shake off his fear, even when he later found out that the man was there to cut the grass.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...st-attacks-murder-gay-atheist-activists-dhaka
 
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