ISIS Bangladesh chief wants Bengal to be center of global Jihad

[Zabaniyah]

Please tell me the border fencing along the Indo-BD border is being expedited, this is going to become another frontier in India's fight against terror, just like the LoC.

You must have a very high opinion of yourself.

2.President Bashar and his loyal Alawits and Christian minority holding power against majority sunni population resulting in a massive civil war with a variety of international player involved.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35941679
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Abu Jandal al-Bangali. Odd name. Either made up, or a moniker. Can anyone submit a profile of him (if any).

Our ministers though never cease to amaze me.

Home Minister Asaduzzaman Khan Kamal has denied the presence of Middle East-based international terror outfit Islamic State's operatives in Bangladesh.
The Minister made the statement while talking to reporters at his residence on Friday. Bangladesh Jamaat-e-Islami workers are joining Islamic State, the terrorist group says.
He has termed the media interview of the so-called Bangladesh branch chief a 'conspiracy'.
http://www.observerbd.com/2016/04/16/146881.php

Yep, everything is a conspiracy nowadays

 

[Nilgiri]

Bangladesh is a very compact country with high population density.So developmental cost per capita and per unit of area will be less then India.Bangladesh can reap the benefit just like Japan,Korea,Singapore, Taiwan.They are also compact country with high population density.India have too much internal contradiction to successfully compete with the countries like Bangladesh.GDP growth gap is diminishing between two counties and it will eventually cross and accelerate in near future in favour of BD.

That needs huge sustained human development capital. Making Banians is not going to cut it.

The Bangladesh education parameters and direction leave much to be desired. Like they are ok compared to Pakistan....but not good and the improvement is not that great either.

You forget with Indian size comes great advantages too. South and West are now acting like the East Coast of China in terms of economic engine....who's fundamental development strategy is now being copied by the laggards. Large size means you have more capability to experiment and create excellence in certain areas and in a way hedge more easily than a compact dense country.

Thats why India adds a full Bangladesh economy to its GDP currently, and will soon be adding multiples of it.

I mean if you think Bangladesh really has what it takes to get to the next level of growth, you should first look at how many patents Bangladesh files to USPTO and compare to India. Thats a basic indicator of how much RnD activity is going on. You really should do that before trying to criticize basis of India growth figures.

Riding the RMG bandwagon will only get you so far and is not a good long term strategy if you are comparing to the likes of South Korea which was in that economic profile for maybe 10 years at most (compared to Bangladesh being stuck there for almost 30 years now).

 

[Anubis]

Huh? Where did you get this from? Economic migrants (legal) most definitely pay taxes applicable of the country they reside in! In the US, all H1B migrants pay US taxes.



Indian economy is gargantuan compared to that of BD...I'm not even going to argue with you about this..
While the situation may not be US-Mexico per se, in that India is no US, but then again, Bangladesh is way worse than Mexico and thats a fact!
India has the fastest growing economy in South Asia which means that there is a lot more opportunity for growth and of course as a result, a lot more jobs, especially in the labor sector.
The point is, that a laborer has a better scope of finding a job in India's growing economy than he/she does in BD.




remittances show up in local currency. The value of dollar figure of remittances is provided to make a baseline comparison with other countries.
Unless I'm missing the crux of your argument.



What??! How? Please explain..
Illegal immigrants get no benefit in the US..no welfare, no food stamps,no medicaid, nothing!
One needs a valid social security number for it.



An illegal immigrant would need a ration card, bank account and basic information to transfer money from India. Obviously the illegal Bangladeshis India has a problem with cannot and do not have any legal status in India and hence would not use the remittance channel to send money to BD. In fact, I'm suggesting that they don't send any money at all back home because they can't through legal channels..However they do live on the streets, work in low paying labor jobs and avoid Indian taxes, while creating a burden on the resources such as water, electricity that are meant to service the tax paying citizens (in a city like mumbai).

Taxes: 3% of the indian population pay taxes...Im not talking about the US here.
US-Mexico comparison: You missed my point here too....By many economic indicators India is way below mexico too...gdp per capita for example...I see you take pride about your "huge" economy...fair enough....but do not forget about your population...Mexico has a per capita gdp of $10k compared to US's $50k...where as the per capita of India is around $1.5k compared to BD's $0.9k...my point was the difference between US and Mexico is is immense compared to the difference between India and Bangladesh.

Remittance does show up in foreign currency....that was one of the major factors that boosted foreign reserve of BD...if currency was not physically transferred no country would have other country's currencies in their banks.
Illegal Immigrants get more benefits in the US than Indian and Bangladeshi citizens do in their respective countries...free schooling(even college education in NY) for their kids and emergency medical care in any US hospital would be enough to attract anyone here...besides their children born here will become US citizens and they will also have a chance to become citizens.

I agree that with you on the fact that they do not send any significant remittance back home....but when you say that they are a burden on taxpayers.....97% of Indians are a burden on the 3% tax paying Indians...now this is about Income tax...all other taxes such as sales tax etc have to be paid by everyone....and since they hardly send any remittance then where are they investing their money? In your economy....and another thing...since India does not have a minimum wage system you will never have a problem like we have here in the US where Mexicans will work for less than Americans....there is virtually no difference between an Indian guy cleaning your sewage pipe and a Bangladeshi guy cleaning your sewage pipe...both will charge what they need to survive.

 

[Nilgiri]

There are many factor which enabled ISIS.
1.Firstly,decade long Iraq war and regimentation of Iraq into Shia,Sunni,Kurdi and other faction.With easy recruits in Iraqi radicalized sunni youth.
2.President Bashar and his loyal Alawits and Christian minority holding power against majority sunni population resulting in a massive civil war with a variety of international player involved.
3.NATO countries specially US and Turkey's distribution of arms and dollar without distinguishing radical or non radical opposition of Asad regime.
4.Pathetic resposnse of Iraqi army to ISIS attack.When both of your govt. and defence force are in transition period and divided loyalty to govt. and ethno-religious identity reinforced with poor training and planning,you can expect a military disaster.
5.Both central govt. of Iraq and Syria are weak and or engaged in a vicious civil war.So no proper response to ISIS threat.
6.ISIS is no stronger than Taliban or AL Quida.But they generated a lot of media attention due to their extreme brutality.But brutality is not the sign of strength.So they seems larger then what they are.
7.Large oil revenue enabling ISIS to fund salary and arms in black market.Without middle eastern oil field in control it will be difficult to replicate the ISIS success.
Do you think any of this criteria can be fulfilled in Bangladesh?

Exactly. Thats why I said it will remain a fringe group outside of the hearth zone where it formed and expanded + mostly empty deserts of Africa.

where as the per capita of India is around $1.5k compared to BD's $0.9k

Your figures are dated. For low trade per capita countries (like South Asia), PPP measure is better.

Anyways for 2016:

Nominal per capita:

BD = 1355

IND = 1820

PPP per capita:

BD = 3860

IND = 6660

https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/f...br=1&c=513,534&s=NGDPD,NGDPDPC,PPPPC&grp=0&a=

 

[Anubis]

Exactly. Thats why I said it will remain a fringe group outside of the hearth zone where it formed and expanded + mostly empty deserts of Africa.



Your figures are dated. For low trade per capita countries (like South Asia), PPP measure is better.

Anyways for 2016:

Nominal per capita:

BD = 1355

IND = 1820

PPP per capita:

BD = 3860

IND = 6660

https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2015/02/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=42&pr.y=20&sy=2013&ey=2020&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=513,534&s=NGDPD,NGDPDPC,PPPPC&grp=0&a=

Compare the PPP of US and the PPP of Mexico.....my argument still stands.

 

[Nilgiri]

Compare the PPP of US and the PPP of Mexico.....my argument still stands.

The thing is you are not completely right and not completely wrong.

Yes the average economic disparity between the two sides is not anywhere near the level of that found between US and Mexico. Neither is Indian social welfare as gargantuan compared to average Bangladesh income.

But the thing is India and Bangladesh (esp India given its size) are not totally homogenous in income profile.

When we say per capita, it is simple a figure. Every soul in the country is not earning exactly this income....in fact it is normally quite skewed.

That means in India there are a lot of "hubs" of relative wealth and prosperity. Same for Bangladesh (Dhaka for example). And there are even wealthier hubs within these hubs etc. So this is what acts as a magnet for those in marginalised areas on both sides. The local income/wealth in these hubs can run several magnitudes higher than the average.

So it is not ridiculous notion that many poor relatively/absolutely disposed desperate Bangladeshis try their chances in coming to India to seek a living much more than the reverse (just given the number of these "hubs" given India larger size). More options means more choices and ability to merge/hopscotch. Thats why Bangladeshi illegals as far south as TN, Bangalore, Kerala is not unheard of (although it often gets exagerrated because many are also Indian Bengalis).

Its also why inevitably Indian workers find their way to Bangladesh too illegally (Dhaka...maybe even CTG)....but their numbers are much smaller given the number of "hubs" in Bdesh compared to India. In most of the cases, given the illegal nature of these migrations, the remittances are routed through hawala, they dont appear in direct bank transfers between the two countries as a result (they are mostly routed through 3rd party countries and methods).

Legal migration of Indian professionals to Bangladesh is much more clearly documented. The reverse is not so much. Thats why official remittance from Bangladesh to India is much higher than the reverse.

I hope this clears the air on how I view the situation.

 

[Bad Guy]

If I wanted data for comparison, I'd prefer remittances, since I can compare the two
God-knows-how-many Indians are sending back almost $5 billion dollars every year. How much are Pakistanis remitting to Pakistan from India? Unless we have an army of shuper duper Aryuvedic, Gomutra-enriched, Hanuman men over here doing high-end jobs and sending their cheques to India, allowing them to send more remittances with less individuals, I'm going to figure that there are more Indians in Pakistan than Pakistanis in India.

Intelligent person, there are more Pakistanis in India than Indians in Pakistan. Even Muslims,
giving you one example experience, ask for more anything else if you want.
http://blogs.hindustantimes.com/the-delhi-walla/?p=311
(FYI, Indian Engineers were called in Pakistan many times, does that made that our supa powa engineers gonna survive on your remittances? ).

 

[scholseys]

This Illegal immigrant crap is an RSS conspiracy to get rid of Muslims from Hindustan, who the hell would want to go to a third rate shit hole called 'india' led by a genocidal monster...

 

[AMCA]

This Illegal immigrant crap is an RSS conspiracy to get rid of Muslims from Hindustan, who the hell would want to go to a third rate shit hole called 'india' led by a genocidal monster...

Illegally Bangladeshis and Legally the other countries.BTW are there only Muslims in Bangladesh? as far as I can remember we left you with a better degree of other religions too. Wondering where'd they go !!

 

[Hiptullha]

Intelligent person, there are more Pakistanis in India than Indians in Pakistan. Even Muslims,
giving you one example experience, ask for more anything else if you want.
http://blogs.hindustantimes.com/the-delhi-walla/?p=311
(FYI, Indian Engineers were called in Pakistan many times, does that made that our supa powa engineers gonna survive on your remittances? ).

Anecdotal "evidence" is nothing in the face of 4.9 billion dollars sent over to India in only one year by "Aryuvedic engineers", living in Pakistan, trained in the art of making Gomutra bombs, Hanuman lasers and Death Vimanas.

 

[bongbang]

Sure. CIA/Mossad/MI6/KGB will work with RAW when and if they decide ISIS in bangladesh means anything significant.

Why do you guys come to absolute decision at a go? Never close the ventilation for every last afterthoughts that may come. What about British subjugation of India for 150 years? Did it start from Bengal? And why are you so certain that they dont have any plans to occupy it again and Bangladesh may be the start. 21st century's British are the US. Look how US surrounding the emerging nation China from all sides. In respect to that India may not have covered properly. Only from Western side and south, vast area will be unchecked in the east. BD area will cover India's east and unchecked areas of China as well. Note that CIA was using Dhaka airport to assist Tibet freedom fighters. Look historically US is warm on the Jamaatis fully knowing that, its a terrorist organization because they will be used later. Now see that how CIA created ISIS in Iraq and look Jamaatis joining ISIS in BD as well, do you see any connection? Also see the Bonhomie between India Israel US presently. So their intelligence must be? And the Site intelligence in US is owned by jews whom within moment publishes ISIS claims on attacks in BD before knowing anyone. And please check the map whom Bangladeshis think as greatest enemy of world peace, so can they do something about it? As hate was really one sided.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Exactly. Thats why I said it will remain a fringe group outside of the hearth zone where it formed and expanded + mostly empty deserts of Africa.



Your figures are dated. For low trade per capita countries (like South Asia), PPP measure is better.

Anyways for 2016:

Nominal per capita:

BD = 1355

IND = 1820

PPP per capita:

BD = 3860

IND = 6660

https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2015/02/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=42&pr.y=20&sy=2013&ey=2020&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=513,534&s=NGDPD,NGDPDPC,PPPPC&grp=0&a=

There is something wrong with the ppp figure for India.This is the biggest gap in the world between nominal and ppp.Usually developing countries have 2 to 3 times ppp figure relative to nominal.But for india it is almost 4 times.
I wonder,whether their is any hidden vedic calculation at work. IMF and world bank should not blindly believe the data provided by indian.

 

[Bad Guy]

There is something wrong with the ppp figure for India.This is the biggest gap in the world between nominal and ppp.Usually developing countries have 2 to 3 times ppp figure relative to nominal.But for india it is almost 4 times.
I wonder,whether their is any hidden vedic calculation at work. IMF and world bank should not blindly believe the data provided by indian.

FYI, gap is 3.6 times in India.(near about 3.2 times in Russia, 3.4 times in Pakistan),
It's very normal. 3-4 times gap exists.
So, nothing vedic is here.
and as told before, if somebody doesn't trust our data, they can check themselves (have done many times). We wouldn't have any advantage in fudging.

Nor any faking country could undertake huge projects like India. BD can try if it wants though.


Reason of gap is extremely low price of things in India. Though it's projected to decline to 2.1 times in 10-15 years. Funny thing is that in 2050(if current projections go on) our GDP in Nominal could almost same or even higher in PPP.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Reason of gap is extremely low price of things in India.

Can you give some example with reliable data vis a vis Bangladeshi price?

 

[Bad Guy]

Can you give some example with reliable data vis a vis Bangladeshi price?

Yep, here's one
http://m.indiatoday.in/story/india-...-expensive-cost-of-living-index/1/414716.html

Rest for comparing PPP and Nominal, I use IMF numbers.
I'm unable to get IMF numbers of BD after 2020 though (they publish only about G20 after 2020).
For 2030, India's GDP's in PPP and Nominal are $21.6 trillions and $10.1 trillions respectively.
I would love to know if you can get me data about BD.