ISI to have more civilians at the top

[Burhan Wani]

Now let's see if a civilian walks into this post. Per your requirement, this person should be highly qualified. What better person to have than a foreign educated professional? Already, I can see the trouble here. So, let's say we impose the restriction that the person should have remained in Pakistan all his life. You now have a post that the enemy knows can be targeted. The enemy will try his level best to get his moles into this post. It is easy for him to get a mole into this publicized mole from a pool of 200 million people. On the other hand, if Army personnel are trained for this role, the enemy has to do exponentially more work. He needs to work on multiple moles across multiple courses of Kakul Academy, and even then his bets may not pay off because nothing is guaranteed.

An army officer, after appropriate training, can command a department of finance specialists. Coming from the army background, he has a life's training to be on the lookout for enemies. He has the warrior mindset. He treats everything, and everyone with the suspicion they deserver. I would rather have him looking after the department than some civilian.



The contractor model is employed by the CIA itself. They need clearances, and these need to be refreshed on a regular basis.

An army officer graduated from PMA has different training and cause. They can be a great administrator but cannot handle Finance matters like bankers and Chartered Accountant do, they cannot design Core Network Design better then me, they cannot create paintings better then professional artist. etc
I already informed you in my recent post that there are still many departments in Intelligence who are working as a third party contractor. There is more risk if you hire any individual as a third party employee but if you induct full time employees with 100 percent monitoring he can be better option.
Intelligence agencies have different procedure for induction, first the qualified person who is eligible for job go through different test process and then they monitor you for more than one year before joining.

 

[Big Tank]

An army officer graduated from PMA has different training and cause. They can be a great administrator but cannot handle Finance matters like bankers and Chartered Accountant do, they cannot design Core Network Design better then me, they cannot create paintings better then professional artist. etc
I already informed you in my recent post that there are still many departments in Intelligence who are working as a third party contractor. There is more risk if you hire any individual as a third party employee but if you induct full time employees with 100 percent monitoring he can be better option.
Intelligence agencies have different procedure for induction, first the qualified person who is eligible for job go through different test process and then they monitor you for more than one year before joining.

Selection Criteria to be an Officer in the Pakistan Army is largely outed. ISSB was founded long ago and still they are following same procedure and looking for same qualities within a candidate which can be easily faked. Psychologists are no Gods as the way they are portrayed in ISSB. While selection Criteria for Intelligence Agencies is kept altered time to time. We had a case here when a Havildar attached to Field Intelligence Unit was blackmailing a housemaid to buy him Gutkhas or else he wouldn't let her file get forwarded for Intelligence clearance linked to her Cantt Pass. I can share many of such cases where Officers were involved along. So having such mentality that a Military Personnel is all clean while a Civilian is all bad is kiddish. This Aussie guy above is hilarious though.

 

[Burhan Wani]

Selection Criteria to be an Officer in the Pakistan Army is largely outed. ISSB was founded long ago and still they are following same procedure and looking for same qualities within a candidate which can be easily faked. Psychologists are no Gods as the way they are portrayed in ISSB. While selection Criteria for Intelligence Agencies is kept altered time to time. We had a case here when a Havildar attached to Field Intelligence Unit was blackmailing a housemaid to buy him Gutkhas or else he wouldn't let her file get forwarded for Intelligence clearance linked to her Cantt Pass. I can share many of such cases where Officers were involved along. So having such mentality that a Military Personnel is all clean while a Civilian is all bad is kiddish. This Aussie guy above is hilarious though.

I already given my best to convince this guy but he is still strict to his childish point.
Today he is saying that civilians are not allowed in Intelligence agencies in future he will say kick out these civilians from Pakistan. I guarantee it this civilian-military crap should end.

 

[CriticalThought]

I already given my best to convince this guy but he is still strict to his childish point.
Today he is saying that civilians are not allowed in Intelligence agencies in future he will say kick out these civilians from Pakistan. I guarantee it this civilian-military crap should end.

Kindly avoid misquoting me. It's better you re-read what I have posted, and if you still cannot understand then avoid commenting about me.

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

Looks like Ajit Doval's plans are working....

indian jahan bhi hongay apni mari maa ka matam kernay pohanch jaingay.

 

[Amaa'n]

You don't establish intelligence like that you destroy your entire network by doing that

let him pay 1000$ / day to Civilian contractors

 

[Burhan Wani]

Kindly avoid misquoting me. It's better you re-read what I have posted, and if you still cannot understand then avoid commenting about me.

The way you were portraying Civilians and military personnel are completely wrong, even other users are also criticizing your point of views.

 

[CriticalThought]

let him pay 1000$ / day to Civilian contractors

If that's what you understood from my post, then...

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

I already given my best to convince this guy but he is still strict to his childish point.
Today he is saying that civilians are not allowed in Intelligence agencies in future he will say kick out these civilians from Pakistan. I guarantee it this civilian-military crap should end.

Bro its good have civilian in everywhere but when its backing by politicians you cant trust look at your state bank your cities your zakat funds your PIA railway and etc you have to higher your civilian standard first before you involve any. there are more civilian in ISI than you can compare. But supervision sud be under Army.

 

[CriticalThought]

The way you were portraying Civilians and military personnel are completely wrong, even other users are also criticizing your point of views.

You are failing to understand the crux of my argument. Setting aside everything else, the main point is giving civilians further authority in sensitive posts. There is no need for that.

 

[Sine Nomine]

I am damn sure of one thing. At this point, Americans and Indians are looking to inspect the inner workings of our armed forces and national security agencies, this whole government is a bunch of sellouts, and increasing people who have power in an organization is the easiest way to create opportunities for buying people out. This is the main thing which concerns me.

Well have a nice day boy.
P.S All those gonna make up to that rank have earned some good marks on body and in personal file,You see everything is kept in check,even COAS.On sometimes Military officers are worst nuisance in ops.I can't take place of a computer engineer simply how outstanding he is,he can't replace me, simple as that

 

[Amaa'n]

Bro its good have civilian in everywhere but when its backing by politicians you cant trust look at your state bank your cities your zakat funds your PIA railway and etc you have to higher your civilian standard first before you involve any. there are more civilian in ISI than you can compare. But supervision sud be under Army.

wajid Zia, Bilal rasool are also "Bloody Civilians" i bet they secretly handed out info to MNS

 

[Sine Nomine]

You are failing to understand the crux of my argument. Setting aside everything else, the main point is giving civilians further authority in sensitive posts. There is no need for that.

Then why is there need for sending them on sensitive operations,where death has more chances then getting pure milk in Pakistan?

 

[CriticalThought]

Well have a nice day boy.
P.S All those gonna make up to that rank have earned some good marks on body and in personal file,You see everything is kept in check,even COAS.On sometimes Military officers are worst nuisance in ops.I can't take place of a computer engineer simply how outstanding he is,he can't replace me, simple as that

Sir, is it so hard to understand that those computer engineers don't need to be given management positions with authority and access?

Then why is there need for sending them on sensitive operations,where death has more chances then getting pure milk in Pakistan?

They are low level operations. If they fail, others can be sent. They have volunteered for it, good on them. Pay them highly if you must and that's it.

 

[Sine Nomine]

wajid Zia, Bilal rasool are also "Bloody Civilians" i bet they secretly handed out info to MNS

No point in arguing them,these and likes of these in some offices almost ruined everything in 2010.