Is Turkey the Punching Bag?

[WarDaddy97]

Secular Kemalists were wiped out of Army during Ergenekon/Balyoz fake cases made by Fethullah, and emptied ranks filled with Fethullah agents. Once Fethullah got control of majority institutions, there was only government left, so they tried the coup.

Secular Kemalists were in prisons, had no power on coup. The opposite, some of Kemalist officers released from prisons by goverment at the coup night, and they fought against Fethullah coupers.

You got it all wrong. Let me guide you to a proper conclusion.
Gulen guys are business people. They control schools and businesses even in USA. When he became a prez 18 years ago he knew that military, being an independent and uncontrollable to civilian govt institution, might dethrone him someday. So he initiated Ergenekon affair to smear military. Economy was doing good, his base was growing, people were behind him. What he didn’t achieve during Ergenekon he did in 2016. His next action- total control of media and business conglomerates. Third- change of constitution. He achieved all 3 objectives. Military no longer independent. Businesses under his control. Constitutional has been changed. No one can challenge him or remove from power. He is like Putin in Russia it’s just Russia has stabilization fund and energy resources that helps them stay afloat.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Erdogan stepping aside would be better now for his own country, it would enable Turkey to suddenly change policy towards Syria (side with the winner SAA and keep it friendly by blaming it on a previous regime), solve this row with the US etc.

Though that requires someone who isn't full of his own ego and won't drag a country to hell just for him to remain relevant, like Assad did, like Saddam did.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Turkey is the one who stands still and being punched by USA, not the other way around. US already showed it's interest to cut it's banking system towards Turkey, ban military sales (including F35) to Turkey, taxing Turkish goods with %50 taxes. USA is the aggressor one, Turkey is the one being punched and stays silently

We gotta show that they either STOP PUNCHING TURKEY RIGHT NOW, or their arm will be cutten off in this region, and US will lose it's connection to Caucasus, Central Asia, Blacksea, northern Middleeast as a whole. The ball will be in US hands.

Turkey likely has to now consider a Important Strategic decision
If it was man , Israel would have already been blocked from Sea and Air

 

[WarDaddy97]

Who you calling brainwashed you dickhead. Who’s denied PKK links to Russia? Does that absolve Italy and a host of other cunt nations that support them including the US? The PKK supporters (students) use to gather at the Universty I studied at and handout pamphlets and do a little Kurdish jig to entertain the Lefties and then they’d put out the collection plates... It happens everywhere. You regurgitate the same old shit.

I am calling you brainwashed. You are not only brainwashed but also illiterate since you have no clue about Marxism and Leninism. PKK would always get supporters worldwide as long as they follow that ideology. But that doesn’t mean that govt of Italy or USA is behind PKK. If USA was behind PKK for 40 years like a retard here claims PKK flag would be flying in Ankara long time ago. And wash your stinky mouth next time before you insult other countries. I know next week lira might collapse even more and you will be a broke joke but get a grip. Stop panicking!

Blockade supplies to Israel and you will see how quickly Trump-srael will come to senses

Here comes another Pakistani genius. My friend, can you show us on the map how Turkey can blockade Israel?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Dead sea water will be salty for Jews

 

[WarDaddy97]

Erdogan stepping aside would be better now for his own country, it would enable Turkey to suddenly change policy towards Syria (side with the winner SAA and keep it friendly by blaming it on a previous regime), solve this row with the US etc.

Though that requires someone who isn't full of his own ego and won't drag a country to hell just for him to remain relevant, like Assad did, like Saddam did.

He won’t do that. Turks are following Russian model-Russia is Putin. Without Putin we are doomed. Without me, our enemies will destroy Motherland. We are surrounded by enemies.

Dead sea water will be salty for Jews

That’s great and i just want to remind you that your threat is silly considering what Israel went thru since 1947. So, map please. Show us how to blockade Israel.

 

[Killuminati]

There is another problem. Apparently regime deploying more troops to idlib-Latakia-hama front which means Erdogans best friend Putin gave Assad a green light to attack idlib. More refugees will march across Turkish border=more Turkish resources will be wasted on treatment and housing.
Don’t tell me I wasn’t warning you. You can’t trust Russians they played you with de-escalation bullshit promise. Also Levant Kemal, a Turkish commentator posted earlier, sdf will assist regime in recapturing Afrin. Remember my first prophecy? I told you, you should have listened to Obama back in 2014 when he guaranteed air cover but ground troops Turks+proxies to deal with isis. Erdogan refused but offered his proxies who have abysmal combat capabilities. hence, we sided with Kurds, we had no option, and you guys might lose idlib, afrin, jarablus.


Few thousands? What world are you living? There are almost 500 thousand Syrian refugees in Germany. God knows how many from other countries. Half a million illegals in Italy. Yes, you have more, well they are your neighbors. Just like we have Mexican and Central American illegals in USA.
Also I think it’s vwry despicable how some of you say” we need to send millions of Syrians to Europe” had they not suffered enough? What kind of Muslims are you? If I were Arab I would be disgusted by your comments. Erdogan from day one supported rebellion urging to remove Assad. You deal with it. Do you see us asking your help to deal with Latin American illegal immigration? No. It’s your problem!


Brunson? CIA asset? Kidding me, right?
Dude has been living in turkey over two decades. During “coup” he was overseas. Then he returned to Turkey. You arrested him. What kind of spy is this?
This is some outrageous accusation! Some of you even accused Erdogan of being cia spy! You guys are getting paranoid, I swear


Please do so. We don’t need Turkey. Go embrace Russia and China. Russia is a broke joke they might throw you a discount on gas. Great breakthrough


What do you mean “don’t play with our patience”
We have been playing with your patience for quite some time and you did nothing. And when lira collapses more so will your empty threats. Russians showed how to deal with Turks when they shut down your tourism sector and export of cucumber/tomatoes. Do you remember how much begging did Erdogan? Besides don’t threaten westerners with such statement. It looks lame and pathetic.


And if your country releases him then what are you going to say? Will you be willing to insult Erdogan right here on public Pakistani forum? Will you apologize and accept the power of USA despite it has an imbecile of a president?

no. That’s not how it works.do your homework and stop reading silly websites


PKK was a creation of Soviet KGB. They still have strong ties to Kurdish communities in Russia especially in Stavropol region. They even have their own websites, participate in crowdfunding and fundraising.
https://kurdistan.ru/

https://rojname.com/index.kurd?ziman=russian

I could go on and on. There is no point. Lots of you are too brainwashed and have have zero knowledge


Link please. And prove that pics weren’t photoshopped

Dude get out your nutshell. Your fantasy words about US economy doesnt make any sense. Why you think that the US economy is so big you think? You talk like people earning every month 10k there. The reason why US is so strong is because of the fact that countries need dollar to buy energy. To obtain dollar they must sell their goods to US. FED printing like crazy and with its interest game it can suck up the money whenever it wants to. Can you imagine that countries doesnt need dollar anymore to buy gas and oil? That money will devaluate even faster than lira and US will choke in his huge debt.

 

[WarDaddy97]

Dude get out your nutshell. Your fantasy words about US economy doesnt make any sense. Why you think that the US economy is so big you think? You talk like people earning every month 10k there. The reason why US is so strong is because of the fact that countries need dollar to buy energy. To obtain dollar they must sell their goods to US. FED printing like crazy and with its interest game it can suck up the money whenever it wants to. Can you imagine that countries doesnt need dollar anymore to buy gas and oil? That money will devaluate even faster than lira and US will choke in his huge debt.

Let me tell you a little secret- we are strong economically because first and foremost we have RULE OF LAW. Investors trust USA. China is strong but there is no rule of law. Xi just like Erdogan changes constitution and usurped power. Investors don’t like that. I hope you know why.
Second- DT lowered corporate tax. So everyone invests in USA. It’s better to invest in USA than to Canada or even Mexico. That makes Canada nervous.
Third not only foreign investors but local corporations return their assets from offshore accounts to USA.
I could go on but there is no point. You think on the level of oil, gas and FED

 

[Killuminati]

Let me tell you a little secret- we are strong economically because first and foremost we have RULE OF LAW. Investors trust USA. China is strong but there is no rule of law. Xi just like Erdogan changes constitution and usurped power. Investors don’t like that. I hope you know why.
Second- DT lowered corporate tax. So everyone invests in USA. It’s better to invest in USA than to Canada or even Mexico. That makes Canada nervous.
Third not only foreign investors but local corporations return their assets from offshore accounts to USA.
I could go on but there is no point. You think on the level of oil, gas and FED

Rule of law my ***. Triall against mehmet hakan atilla is 100% politic. Also zarrab used against Turkey. US is the biggest joke if it comes to law. Which investors?? Hahaha. They can invest because FED can print many dollar they want to. All these investors has huge debts. If dollar doesnt rule anymore you guys will start eating eachother. US concerns about China is not for nothing. Declaring economic war for what? To save the dollar?? The dollar hegemony starting to end... everybody is seeing this

 

[Jlaw]

China is strong but there is no rule of law. Xi just like Erdogan

Xi is opposite of Erdogan. China's economic rule of laws are not as mature as the west but there are rules of law. If there wasn't many foreign multinationals would not invest in China. For decades china has been in the forefront for FDI. IF no laws why would investors keep pouring money into China?
Anyways this is not a topic on China. Please continue with the discussion on this thread.

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[WarDaddy97]

Rule of law my ***. Triall against mehmet hakan atilla is 100% politic. Also zarrab used against Turkey. US is the biggest joke if it comes to law. Which investors?? Hahaha. They can invest because FED can print many dollar they want to. All these investors has huge debts. If dollar doesnt rule anymore you guys will start eating eachother. US concerns about China is not for nothing. Declaring economic war for what? To save the dollar?? The dollar hegemony starting to end... everybody is seeing this

Those two idiots tried to cheat the system and circumvent US sanctions on Iran. That’s exactly proves my point-RULE OF LAW. Besides you should be happy that Reza was arrested. If I am not mistaking even Turkish security services were begging Erdogan to arrest him pointing out to his relationships with corrupted Turkish politicians.
The hegemony of dollar starting to end?
HAHAHAHAH.
This guy is something else
Next week TL might collapse to its level it hasn’t seen since Erdogan eliminated zeros. Follow Erdogans advice-get dollars/euros under your pillow and exchange them for liras!

Xi is opposite of Erdogan. China's economic rule of laws are not as mature as the west but there are rules of law. If there wasn't many foreign multinationals would not invest in China. For decades china has been in the forefront for FDI. IF no laws why would investors keep pouring money into China?
Anyways this is not a topic on China. Please continue with the discussion on this thread.

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The moment any president changes constitution and usurps power it sends negative message to investors. First constitution and then what,my assets?
Also US sanctions on ZTE showed that Chinese are not that strong as everyone thinks they are. Time and patience on their side though. Anyway, you right, let’s stay on topic

 

[kartal1]

There is another problem. Apparently regime deploying more troops to idlib-Latakia-hama front which means Erdogans best friend Putin gave Assad a green light to attack idlib. More refugees will march across Turkish border=more Turkish resources will be wasted on treatment and housing.
Don’t tell me I wasn’t warning you. You can’t trust Russians they played you with de-escalation bullshit promise. Also Levant Kemal, a Turkish commentator posted earlier, sdf will assist regime in recapturing Afrin. Remember my first prophecy? I told you, you should have listened to Obama back in 2014 when he guaranteed air cover but ground troops Turks+proxies to deal with isis. Erdogan refused but offered his proxies who have abysmal combat capabilities. hence, we sided with Kurds, we had no option, and you guys might lose idlib, afrin, jarablus.


Few thousands? What world are you living? There are almost 500 thousand Syrian refugees in Germany. God knows how many from other countries. Half a million illegals in Italy. Yes, you have more, well they are your neighbors. Just like we have Mexican and Central American illegals in USA.
Also I think it’s vwry despicable how some of you say” we need to send millions of Syrians to Europe” had they not suffered enough? What kind of Muslims are you? If I were Arab I would be disgusted by your comments. Erdogan from day one supported rebellion urging to remove Assad. You deal with it. Do you see us asking your help to deal with Latin American illegal immigration? No. It’s your problem!


Brunson? CIA asset? Kidding me, right?
Dude has been living in turkey over two decades. During “coup” he was overseas. Then he returned to Turkey. You arrested him. What kind of spy is this?
This is some outrageous accusation! Some of you even accused Erdogan of being cia spy! You guys are getting paranoid, I swear


Please do so. We don’t need Turkey. Go embrace Russia and China. Russia is a broke joke they might throw you a discount on gas. Great breakthrough


What do you mean “don’t play with our patience”
We have been playing with your patience for quite some time and you did nothing. And when lira collapses more so will your empty threats. Russians showed how to deal with Turks when they shut down your tourism sector and export of cucumber/tomatoes. Do you remember how much begging did Erdogan? Besides don’t threaten westerners with such statement. It looks lame and pathetic.


And if your country releases him then what are you going to say? Will you be willing to insult Erdogan right here on public Pakistani forum? Will you apologize and accept the power of USA despite it has an imbecile of a president?

I am not official representative of the Turkish state so I say to not play with our personal patience. Trolls like you are faced with bans. Now your time here is again counting down. Bye Bye troll.

 

[Nurhak40]

wardaddy just google papaz brunson pkk. you will see many pictures him with people connected to pkk and even his son is a pkk terrorist. he tried to convert many Kurds to christianity. his arrest is not for litterally old school style spying like many people read it in the west right now but actually for things like what i wrote. just google papaz brunson pkk please and enjoy

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Seems like everyone on this forum wants to fu*k up other countries as bad as possible in every way, be it economically or militarily to get some leverage over them. With 0 regards to how people's life's will be affected

 

[TaiShang]

There is another problem. Apparently regime deploying more troops to idlib-Latakia-hama front which means Erdogans best friend Putin gave Assad a green light to attack idlib.

In fact, Idlib suburbs are said to have already been heavily bombed by Russian+Syrian warplanes to soften the likely resistance on the ground.

But, this Syrian situation, if it is hurting Turkey at the moment, is entirely the making of Turkey itself along with its now-arch-enemy US. They even contemplated an Ottoman-style taking over enemy lands by performing friday prayer there.

If Turkey wants to get itself clean from the Syrian mess as much as possible, it needs to further follow Mr. Putin's directives and immediately start diplomatic relations with Damascus.

That may not be the noblest attitude, but it seems to be the only pragmatic way to get out of it.

But this is even more difficult than giving back US national to the US.