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When and where did Italy make Terror in Turkey? We fight against terrorism.

Fact remains that Turkey economy is collapsing right now. Its also a problem for us, because it can damage our banks.

Also many of your companies try to get more Euro now. This raises the Stocks, we want it lower. We have no interest in your collapse. It disturbs us too.
With which terrorism you are fighting? DEASH is not the only terrorist organization on this world. You are fighting one terrorist organization with another. Do you know that now around every third assault rifle captured in security operations is western made (US, Canadian) AR 15 style. Do you know that PKK is targeting Turkish soldiers with Italian made anti-personal mines? Do you know that PKK is targeting Turkish soldiers with German made ATGM systems? The European Union have become a safe heaven for far left terrorist organizations including PKK. From my point of view this is not how fight against terrorism must be done and especially when it is targeting a fellow NATO ally with one of the most strategic positions in the alliance. You can't blame us for the reactions we are giving when our security concerns are being neglected in that way. At the end our people are being killed and crippled.

Look at the size of those coffins. How much more children have to be sacrificed?
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How much more young beautiful girls have to be burned alive inside buses and killed?
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How much more mothers, fathers, and brothers have to cry above their beloved ones?
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How much more children will have to be raised without fathers so our "allies" would understand that PKK is a terrorist organization and this is not the way for fighting terrorism?
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Italian made Valmara 69 anti personal mines captured in Semdinli in operations against PKK
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Other pictures from operations against PKK. Decide for yourself...
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Erdogan is getting more desperate. He published an article NYT where he is complaining that USA chose Brunson instead of Turkey.
Ibrahim Kalin also published an article in Turkish pro-govt paper complaining on sanctions.

Dude, you clearly dont see that dollar starting to cause for huge stagnation if it comes to international trade. Trump is opening economic war to everybody. Their attitude towards other countries such as Turkey clearly shows that they are abusing the dollar and putting its international position in doubt. China is getting way more powerful than the U.S in couple of years. There has only be some major countries that are supporting some kind gold backed petro yuan and U.S will drown in their enormous debt as they cant print money for fun anymore. The arrogance of the US will lead to a fatal situation for everybody in the world.

This will get out of control soon if U.S doesnt stop its idiotic arrogance against other countries.

Russia to treat further US sanctions as an open declaration of economic war – PM

https://www.rt.com/news/435595-sanctions-economic-war-medvedev/




You really think that a border on all balkan countries will help? Refugees will always find a gap. Turkey now has an excuse to let refugees pass Turkey as Turkey struggling with its economy right now. If the west will handle Turkey like this, you will get karma back. Stuck in Bosnia? You really think Bosnia has enough money to feed 3+ million refugees? They will open their gates to Germany, France, Netherlands, Belgium and Italy, dont worry.
No, I don’t see any stagnation in dollar. But I see how lira and rubl collapsing. US economy is extremely strong both with tax cuts removal and removal
Of various financial restrictions. If you think you can get rid of dollar and trade in other currency go right ahead. Especially after Erdogan urged his supporters to get gold and dollars under their pillows and support lira. Please do so
 
With which terrorism you are fighting? DEASH is not the only terrorist organization on this world. You are fighting one terrorist organization with another. Do you know that now around every third assault rifle captured in security operations is western made (US, Canadian) AR 15 style. Do you know that PKK is targeting Turkish soldiers with Italian made anti-personal mines? Do you know that PKK is targeting Turkish soldiers with German made ATGM systems? The European Union have become a safe heaven for far left terrorist organizations including PKK. From my point of view this is not how fight against terrorism must be done and especially when it is targeting a fellow NATO ally with one of the most strategic positions in the alliance. You can't blame us for the reactions we are giving when our security concerns are being neglected in that way. At the end our people are being killed and crippled.

Look at the size of those coffins. How much more children have to be sacrificed?
fft15_mf6511133.Jpeg

babasiyla-sehit-olan-minik-utku-nun-annesinin-feryadi-1471346050.jpg

cb-cenaze-1agustos..jpg


How much more young beautiful girls have to be burned alive inside buses and killed?
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How much more mothers, fathers, and brothers have to cry above their beloved ones?
ohal-komisyonundan-1560-iade-karari-sehit-babasi-da-listede-728x410.jpg

sehit-babasi-uzeyir-ike-gul-oglum-nereye-gittin.jpg
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How much more children will have to be raised without fathers so our "allies" would understand that PKK is a terrorist organization and this is not the way for fighting terrorism?
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Italian made Valmara 69 anti personal mines captured in Semdinli in operations against PKK
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Other pictures from operations against PKK. Decide for yourself...
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The Valmara 69 mine is not produced anymore since many years in Italy. Production ended in 1994. Many were sold to Saddam in the late 80th and those are most likely from iraqi stocks.

You cant bring such accussations without proves.

And to be honest we dont trust Turkey. Turkey does not trust us. Thats ok dont you think. Best in such cases is to walk different ways. Better for both sides.

The main problem you face is economic collapse. The Lira lost 25% value just in last week. You understand what this means? Your country lost one quarter of its economy in 7 days.

There are indications you start a bank run there. Your people run to the banks to change Lira against $ and €. The more do that, the worse it gets. Its a death cycle.

Your president betrays his own people. He tells you to keep Lira but he himself has $ and €.
 
There is another problem. Apparently regime deploying more troops to idlib-Latakia-hama front which means Erdogans best friend Putin gave Assad a green light to attack idlib. More refugees will march across Turkish border=more Turkish resources will be wasted on treatment and housing.
Don’t tell me I wasn’t warning you. You can’t trust Russians they played you with de-escalation bullshit promise. Also Levant Kemal, a Turkish commentator posted earlier, sdf will assist regime in recapturing Afrin. Remember my first prophecy? I told you, you should have listened to Obama back in 2014 when he guaranteed air cover but ground troops Turks+proxies to deal with isis. Erdogan refused but offered his proxies who have abysmal combat capabilities. hence, we sided with Kurds, we had no option, and you guys might lose idlib, afrin, jarablus.

Top 10 places where there is refugees is in Asia and Africa.

While so many countries like Pakistan, Turkey, Uganda, Ethiopia, Jordan and Lebanon drowned with so many refugees.

The West just sat back started crying because a few thousand came. Irony is that europeans call the refugees invaders.

Refugee crisis is a global problem it has become worse thanks to you guys.

Turkey holds 3 million refugees but these Europeans have the audacity to give out so called Human rights lessons to Turkey. What a joke.

Mehmet Akif Ersoy was actually right about your kind.
Few thousands? What world are you living? There are almost 500 thousand Syrian refugees in Germany. God knows how many from other countries. Half a million illegals in Italy. Yes, you have more, well they are your neighbors. Just like we have Mexican and Central American illegals in USA.
Also I think it’s vwry despicable how some of you say” we need to send millions of Syrians to Europe” had they not suffered enough? What kind of Muslims are you? If I were Arab I would be disgusted by your comments. Erdogan from day one supported rebellion urging to remove Assad. You deal with it. Do you see us asking your help to deal with Latin American illegal immigration? No. It’s your problem!

Brunson is a long term CIA agent and Ozkan is some relatively irrelevant muslim woman who supports Palestinians. The US couldnt persuade Turkey to let Brunson go before so I doubt such a trade of would of worked.
I think Erdogan has been set up here and I'm not a fan of him at all. The Turkish woman was arrested on trumped up charges. One charge for "smuggling" 3 bottles of perfume, yes perfume, to give to hamas so they can sell it for funding. The other charge was for a phone charger, and a third charge was of giving them $500. They even claim she was given $1000 to cover her expenses for giving them $500. Hamas pays a woman a grand to give Hamas 500 dollars. Come on!!
I doubt these charges would of held up in a court. So she was always set to be released. Trump says some nice things about Erdogan at the Nato summit making it appear like they agreed to something being cut from the same cloth and all, then boom. The woman is released and a narrative is set for the public.

"The good honest pastor being held hostage, christian defender trump made a deal to secure the good mans release by trading him for an evil hamas supporter, untrustworthy erdo reneged on his deal so trump had no choice but to sanction."

I'm not sticking up for Erdogan here, he can be very naive when you consider Gulen, the PKK peace deal etc. Personally, this is just the US deep state trying to get their man back. Turkey isn't going to release him without getting Gulen, Turkey made it clear they are willing to "trade" so the US came up with a trade story to use without giving away any of their men, Brunson or Gulen.

But it's important to note that Trump can only get away with it because Turkey allows it. The economy was always vulnerable and there to be exploited, lack of any vision or strategy in foreign policy and awful sycophantic advisors.
Brunson? CIA asset? Kidding me, right?
Dude has been living in turkey over two decades. During “coup” he was overseas. Then he returned to Turkey. You arrested him. What kind of spy is this?
This is some outrageous accusation! Some of you even accused Erdogan of being cia spy! You guys are getting paranoid, I swear

Very strong message by Ibrahim Kalin:

"The US runs the risk of losing Turkey as a whole. The entire Turkish public is against US policies that disregard Turkey's legitimate security demands. Threats, sanctions and bullying against Turkey will not work. It will only increase Turkey's resolve. But it will also further isolate the US in both Turkey and on the international scene,"
Please do so. We don’t need Turkey. Go embrace Russia and China. Russia is a broke joke they might throw you a discount on gas. Great breakthrough

All the countries you listed supported terrorist and separatist organizations in Turkey and also in our neighbouring countries. The level of respect shown here is much than enough and you should even be amazed by it. Where was the last time when you talked with victim of Turkish sponsored terrorism in Italy because I talked with victim of Italian supported terrorism some months ago. Don't play with our patience! If the inflation is problem for me another problem is how you are writing "Turk". Don't play games here. All of the forum knows you and your intentions. I am telling you again. Nobody will tolerate your provocative behavior here so you write like a decent human being or you will face the consequences.
What do you mean “don’t play with our patience”
We have been playing with your patience for quite some time and you did nothing. And when lira collapses more so will your empty threats. Russians showed how to deal with Turks when they shut down your tourism sector and export of cucumber/tomatoes. Do you remember how much begging did Erdogan? Besides don’t threaten westerners with such statement. It looks lame and pathetic.

It seems US has given time Turkish Republic to release the guy until tomorrow 18:00. It seems US is ruled by drunkard bastards who supposes Turkish Republic as somewhere ruled by Arabian puppets in Gulf they are daily milking. How dare you? Who are you ? How can you threaten my country like that ?
And if your country releases him then what are you going to say? Will you be willing to insult Erdogan right here on public Pakistani forum? Will you apologize and accept the power of USA despite it has an imbecile of a president?
 
When and where did Italy make Terror in Turkey? We fight against terrorism.

Fact remains that Turkey economy is collapsing right now. Its also a problem for us, because it can damage our banks.

Also many of your companies try to get more Euro now. This raises the Stocks, we want it lower. We have no interest in your collapse. It disturbs us too.
Italy supports PKK under the guise of protecting human rights. It has been doing it like most of the EU for decades. In Italy’s view, they are freedom fighters and a weapon against evil Muslims Turks. Simple. Don’t talk.
 
Erdogan is getting more desperate. He published an article NYT where he is complaining that USA chose Brunson instead of Turkey.
Ibrahim Kalin also published an article in Turkish pro-govt paper complaining on sanctions.


No, I don’t see any stagnation in dollar. But I see how lira and rubl collapsing. US economy is extremely strong both with tax cuts removal and removal
Of various financial restrictions. If you think you can get rid of dollar and trade in other currency go right ahead. Especially after Erdogan urged his supporters to get gold and dollars under their pillows and support lira. Please do so

Dude US is the one thats printing the money for whole world. US economy is strongly depended on the petrodolar cycle. If that cycle ends the sham economy of US will collapse immediately.
 
Dude US is the one thats printing the money for whole world. US economy is strongly depended on the petrodolar cycle. If that cycle ends the sham economy of US will collapse immediately.
no. That’s not how it works.do your homework and stop reading silly websites

Italy supports PKK under the guise of protecting human rights. It has been doing it like most of the EU for decades. In Italy’s view, they are freedom fighters and a weapon against evil Muslims Turks. Simple. Don’t talk.
PKK was a creation of Soviet KGB. They still have strong ties to Kurdish communities in Russia especially in Stavropol region. They even have their own websites, participate in crowdfunding and fundraising.
https://kurdistan.ru/

https://rojname.com/index.kurd?ziman=russian

I could go on and on. There is no point. Lots of you are too brainwashed and have have zero knowledge

wardaddy then explain the photos of brunson with the pkk
Link please. And prove that pics weren’t photoshopped
 
This. Not only that, US's plans was so obvious when they founded and supported Fethullah, PKK and other cemaat terror organisations in Turkey for 30-40 years. Yet we kept the military dependence on them. We should have go with J-31 instead of F35. We should have go with TUHP149 rather than T-70. I still remember when old defence minister said that "we produce critical parts, engines can be found everywhere" and now we are facing hard time to deliver T-129 and Altay because of the engines.

We are paying price of huge stupidity where East was hungry for investments in past, they are still open to Turkey but our government bugs behind the reality, still expecting US to stop punching us.

They will not stop punching us, it's US benefit to destroy Turkey and support PKK state o_O

I don't know about the 2016 coup, was it really done by Gulen followers or secularists/nationalists repeating the coups of many decades ago? I've not researched it
 
no. That’s not how it works.do your homework and stop reading silly websites


PKK was a creation of Soviet KGB. They still have strong ties to Kurdish communities in Russia especially in Stavropol region. They even have their own websites, participate in crowdfunding and fundraising.
https://kurdistan.ru/

https://rojname.com/index.kurd?ziman=russian

I could go on and on. There is no point. Lots of you are too brainwashed and have have zero knowledge


Link please. And prove that pics weren’t photoshopped
Who you calling brainwashed you dickhead. Who’s denied PKK links to Russia? Does that absolve Italy and a host of other cunt nations that support them including the US? The PKK supporters (students) use to gather at the Universty I studied at and handout pamphlets and do a little Kurdish jig to entertain the Lefties and then they’d put out the collection plates... It happens everywhere. You regurgitate the same old shit.
 
I don't know about the 2016 coup, was it really done by Gulen followers or secularists/nationalists repeating the coups of many decades ago? I've not researched it

Secular Kemalists were wiped out of Army during Ergenekon/Balyoz fake cases made by Fethullah, and emptied ranks filled with Fethullah agents. Once Fethullah got control of majority institutions, there was only government left, so they tried the coup.

Secular Kemalists were in prisons, had no power on coup. The opposite, some of Kemalist officers released from prisons by goverment at the coup night, and they fought against Fethullah coupers.
 
@Troll, your posts will be removed and you will banned for trolling, so i wouldn't waste my time if i was you.



This. Not only that, US's plans was so obvious when they founded and supported Fethullah, PKK and other cemaat terror organisations in Turkey for 30-40 years. Yet we kept the military dependence on them. We should have go with J-31 instead of F35. We should have go with TUHP149 rather than T-70. I still remember when old defence minister said that "we produce critical parts, engines can be found everywhere" and now we are facing hard time to deliver T-129 and Altay because of the engines.

We are paying price of huge stupidity where East was hungry for investments in past, they are still open to Turkey but our government bugs behind the reality, still expecting US to stop punching us.

They will not stop punching us, it's US benefit to destroy Turkey and support PKK state o_O
I guarantee you, 30-40 years ago if you asked any EDUCATED Turk about PKK they would tell you that Soviets are behind them.
30-40 years ago USA was not that savvy to create fethullan or some other religious Islamic movements. We were busy fighting Soviets and in Afghanistan outsourced anything that relates to Islam and recruitment to Saudis and Pakistanis. Believe what you want but if it easy for you to blame USA then be it. But that won’t change reality on the ground. The mess that you inherited in Syria with sdf is because of Erdogans sissy policy first for not listening to Obama and second for caving in to Russians.
 

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