Is Turkey a bad model for Arab states? Or is it a good model?

[RayKalm]

Doha Debates: Is Turkey a Bad Model for the New Arab States? - YouTube

 

[Deno]

Turkey is not a model... Every nation has its own path. Turkey could advise them if asked but saying Turkey is a role model is a bit off.

Arabs will have their own way of democracy. Democracy is not like liberity. Democracy will take its roots on nations fundamental origins and requirements

 

[agentny17]

What all Muslim countries HAVE to take from Turkey is more freedom, personl freedom, equality no matter you race, color, religion, minority rights, because without that NO Muslim country would move forward, and achieve its potential, and more important without that their won't be actual democracy. Every person should be treated equally within his country, doesn't matter what he believes in. So, yes Turkey is a model for Arab states, and Muslim states too.

 

[Ottoman-Turk]

that women ece whatever shoudnt even be in that panel shes a part of PKK unofficialy

 

[RayKalm]

that women ece whatever shoudnt even be in that panel shes a part of PKK unofficialy

But, people claiming Turkey being the role model that it is, she should be free to have her opinion, and I think she makes some valid points.

What all Muslim countries HAVE to take from Turkey is more freedom, personl freedom, equality no matter you race, color, religion, minority rights, because without that NO Muslim country would move forward, and achieve its potential, and more important without that their won't be actual democracy. Every person should be treated equally within his country, doesn't matter what he believes in. So, yes Turkey is a model for Arab states, and Muslim states too.

Turkey doesn't have the best of records when it comes to freedom. Very low media freedom, people in jail just because they have opinions or written some books which the officials don't agree with, etc. But, when you look at the Arab world, then yes, Turkey as the Muslim country it is, also near the region, I could understand why it is a model for them.

But also, we can't classify the Arab world as one single 'being'. The Arab world is a diverse place, with different countries, huge populations, and different freedoms.

 

[forummurat]

I read a writing about this Doha Debates.. Writer said that Turkish speakers was ignorant and defiant in this debate especialy woman speaker..

 

[agentny17]

But, people claiming Turkey being the role model that it is, she should be free to have her opinion, and I think she makes some valid points.



Turkey doesn't have the best of records when it comes to freedom. Very low media freedom, people in jail just because they have opinions or written some books which the officials don't agree with, etc. But, when you look at the Arab world, then yes, Turkey as the Muslim country it is, also near the region, I could understand why it is a model for them.

But also, we can't classify the Arab world as one single 'being'. The Arab world is a diverse place, with different countries, huge populations, and different freedoms.

Wasn't like a gay prade in Turkey couple of months ago ??? Well, good luck having that in any other Muslim country. Freedom in Turkey can not be compared to anyother Muslim country when it comes to freedom... Also, if their is very high press freedom in Egypt(I lived in both the US, and Egypt), then i am sure its no different in Turkey, especially when you have a democracy.

 

[silko]

what is this? even i could make better and more valid points than most of those 'experts' in that program!

 

[forummurat]

-except Caliphate- Any state cannot be a real Islamic state and any Islamic state cannot be successful in the world of Capitalism and Materialism.. (There is many bad exemples in the world)
A respectful (to all beliefs) secular state can be a suitable selection in the world of today for muslim countries..

 

[agentny17]

-except Caliphate- Any state cannot be a real Islamic state and any Islamic state cannot be successful in the world of Capitalism and Materialism.. (There is many bad exemples in the world)
A respectful (to all beliefs) secular state can be a suitable selection in the world of today for muslim countries..

I replied to you in another thread, but i will copy/paste my answer here so more people can see it.
A Muslim State can be successful, a Muslim state is the closest thing to a secular state out of all types of state in the histroy.... Liberalism was introduced to Egypt by Al-Azhar Sheikhs who went to Europe and made a lot of studies that it has nothing against Islam. In the Quran 60:8---- Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.
God tells Prophet Muhammed in Quran 8822-23)
So remind, [O Muhammad]; you are only a reminder. You are not over them a controller.
Quran 02-259--- Sahih International
There shall be no compulsion in the religion.
Those are great rules of Islam, and adly we don't apply them anymore.. Tell me how is that against liberalism or secularism ? Nothing in my mind

 

[Nakki Nair]

IMO turkey is the best model among arab states on how to survive and develop peacefully. Just take a look at the other arab states.

 

[Banglar Lathial]

If Turkey is a model of any sort (good or bad) for any country, then that country deserves whatever fate befalls it.

 

[forummurat]

Every country has different conditions.. If Turkey has some good sides everybody can take it.. And Turkey can take the good sides of other countries.. It is normal and natural..

 

[Banglar Lathial]

Wasn't like a gay prade in Turkey couple of months ago ??? Well, good luck having that in any other Muslim country. Freedom in Turkey can not be compared to anyother Muslim country when it comes to freedom... Also, if their is very high press freedom in Egypt(I lived in both the US, and Egypt), then i am sure its no different in Turkey, especially when you have a democracy.

Unfortunately, the Arabs of today are far removed from the Arabs during the time of the Sahaba of the Prophet (PBUH). I mean no disrespect to anybody but the truth is, the more and more I interact with all types of Arabs who live in Arab countries and Arabs who live abroad, my respect for the Arabs of today declines. Do you know how the Turks view you as inferior and their slaves because of the Ottoman empire? Do you know what the USA UK and all Western countries think of Arabs?

Not wanting to divert this thread, if there is even a passing thought amongst Arabs that Turkey is a model of some sort for the Arab world, then it goes to show the sheer level of underdevelopment of the Arab world, nothing more, nothing less. And this is coming from a Bangladeshi who would love to see the Islamic Khilafat revived. There is a serious, major, undeniable intellectual crisis in the Arab world (as well as in the rest of the Muslim world) which makes you people think of an infidel country like Turkey, where all sorts of debauchery is legal and admired, as a model. Sorry to say, if Arabs and Muslims do not have the brains to develop based on morality, based on the rules of Islam, then it is only us (Muslims and/or Arabs) who should be blamed.

If our knowledge, analysis, perception does not allow us to see beyond Turkey - a country which is officially completely infidel, and merely tries to copy Europe but does so very poorly - then the troubles that befall us can not be blamed on others. Parties like Hizb ut Tahrir (that call for the establishment of the Khilafat) are banned in Turkey, in Pakistan, in Bangladesh and many other so called "Muslim" countries because they are "slaves " of USA and the West. In Indonesia, as an example, the party's rally could attract over 100,000 followers.

Now, that was just an EXAMPLE. That does not purport to show either my support for/against Hizb-ut-Tahrir. It only goes to shows that Turkey that allows "gay parades" and "nudity" and "alcohol" in public just like any infidel country of Europe (those countries are masters of Turkey because Turkey imported these ideas from Europe, so nobody can deny that those countries are masters of Turkey) does not allow many other things, only one such example was given by me.

Of course, no country on earth today is perfect, but how is Turkey a model for all Arab or Muslim countries? If you think Turkey - an infidel country that is a member of NATO, that sent soldiers to Afghanistan at American orders, but that bans any trace of Islamic practise in real life in Turkey - is a model for the Arab world, then I can only say, with great regret and disappointment, the Arab world will be ruled by the West for one more century, at least.

Sorry if any of it sounded harsh, I had great respect for Arabs, the Prophet (PBUH) was Arab, the Sahaba of the Prophet (PBUH) were also Arabs but today's Arabs, from the actions of today's Arabs including your comments, seem to like being slaves of Turkey, or the West. When the Arabs return to Islam, I will respect Arabs again.

 

[Deno]

Unfortunately, the Arabs of today are far removed from the Arabs during the time of the Sahaba of the Prophet (PBUH). I mean no disrespect to anybody but the truth is, the more and more I interact with all types of Arabs who live in Arab countries and Arabs who live abroad, my respect for the Arabs of today declines. Do you know how the Turks view you as inferior and their slaves because of the Ottoman empire? Do you know what the USA UK and all Western countries think of Arabs?

Not wanting to divert this thread, if there is even a passing thought amongst Arabs that Turkey is a model of some sort for the Arab world, then it goes to show the sheer level of underdevelopment of the Arab world, nothing more, nothing less. And this is coming from a Bangladeshi who would love to see the Islamic Khilafat revived. There is a serious, major, undeniable intellectual crisis in the Arab world (as well as in the rest of the Muslim world) which makes you people think of an infidel country like Turkey, where all sorts of debauchery is legal and admired, as a model. Sorry to say, if Arabs and Muslims do not have the brains to develop based on morality, based on the rules of Islam, then it is only us (Muslims and/or Arabs) who should be blamed.

If our knowledge, analysis, perception does not allow us to see beyond Turkey - a country which is officially completely infidel, and merely tries to copy Europe but does so very poorly - then the troubles that befall us can not be blamed on others. Parties like Hizb ut Tahrir (that call for the establishment of the Khilafat) are banned in Turkey, in Pakistan, in Bangladesh and many other so called "Muslim" countries because they are "slaves " of USA and the West. In Indonesia, as an example, the party's rally could attract over 100,000 followers.

Now, that was just an EXAMPLE. That does not purport to show either my support for/against Hizb-ut-Tahrir. It only goes to shows that Turkey that allows "gay parades" and "nudity" and "alcohol" in public just like any infidel country of Europe (those countries are masters of Turkey because Turkey imported these ideas from Europe, so nobody can deny that those countries are masters of Turkey) does not allow many other things, only one such example was given by me.

Of course, no country on earth today is perfect, but how is Turkey a model for all Arab or Muslim countries? If you think Turkey - an infidel country that is a member of NATO, that sent soldiers to Afghanistan at American orders, but that bans any trace of Islamic practise in real life in Turkey - is a model for the Arab world, then I can only say, with great regret and disappointment, the Arab world will be ruled by the West for one more century, at least.

Sorry if any of it sounded harsh, I had great respect for Arabs, the Prophet (PBUH) was Arab, the Sahaba of the Prophet (PBUH) were also Arabs but today's Arabs, from the actions of today's Arabs including your comments, seem to like being slaves of Turkey, or the West. When the Arabs return to Islam, I will respect Arabs again.

Dude you really are a troll and mentally challenged person you know that right? Please go see a psychiatrist for your problems. Medical help maybe too late if you wait a day or so, thats how far your mental disablity has gone...

What the flick you are talking about? Who in the right mind would write that TUrks see Arabs as their slave... Who in their right mind would write being tolerant to others choices are being slave to West... What kind of moronic education did you take...

Being an Arab or Turk does not mean a sh't... I am not a muslim but even I know Islam's fundumentals better than you... Phropet nation does not matter for Islam and muslims, Phrophet came to all of the people in this earth as a human being not as Arab. Muslims do not differ each other as Turk, Iranian, Arab, European, Asian...

You claim you are a muslim but you are mucking up the fundemantals of Islam.