Is this the end of Islam? or there is some silver-lining?

[jamahir]

a highly opinionated and subjective judgement which depends on the point of view and perception of every person about what defines

as stupidity , "evolved" Morality and Modern social norms.

I can poke fun at the collective intelligence of people who were conned again and again financially in the ponzi schemes and how very smart people saw that sub-prime market collapse "the morality" about GM food, genetic manipulation, privacy and believing in "big brother" and good intentions of those who are supposed to look after our money and our lives... but I leave it for another thread and another day.
how politicians/ bankers get a slap on their wrist due to an "error of judgement".

in "my" view intelligence and stupidity, morality and vulgarity are ALL subjective. and religion is not their limiting factor.


you whitewash or ban religion... it will be replaced by something else with same features and outcomes which people have fought against. its a nature of the beast

the beast we call Human.

you sir, are a poet.

 

[vostok]

vostok, i believe orthodoxy is closer to early christianity than the roman catholicism of western europe. except for the matter of idols, that is why orthodoxy can live in present russia side by side with leninist socialist and islam. what say you??

Certainly closer, because "orthodox" - means loyal to the traditions, to the basics of teaching.
In Russia there is revision of views on the past, trying to reconcile the different stages of the history of Russia. This will stop the fight between monarchists and Communists, believers and atheists.

 

[A Town]

well this is certainly not the end of islam, i expect that in the next 10-15 years we see stability in the muslim world, lot of these problems you speak of for example the arab spring are orchestrated in the west to bring instability to the middle east. in reality there is no shia-sunni fights, up till the last decade we never eve heard of a any major conflict between shias and sunnis simply because of the their difference. all this shia-sunni fighting is being created by the west to divide and conquer the muslims, we need to stick out and not go crazy. we need to get rid of the monarchies in our counties and bring democracy and freedom. the arab muslim world will definitely be strong again its only been a 150 years since we fell off the camels back. the muslims didn't adopt cruelty like the europeans so they got left behind.


lol its crazy that a hindu has to remind a muslim what the quran says lol

He's a Indian muslim.

 

[punit]

Who was living in the past? You need to broaden your vocabulary with sentences such as reflecting the past or maybe showcasing a glimpse of what happened vs what is happening...

The OP was all about past glories and lack of it in modern times and hence a doomsday scenario.

 

[Black Widow]

well this is certainly not the end of islam, i expect that in the next 10-15 years we see stability in the muslim world, lot of these problems you speak of for example the arab spring are orchestrated in the west to bring instability to the middle east. in reality there is no shia-sunni fights, up till the last decade we never eve heard of a any major conflict between shias and sunnis simply because of the their difference. all this shia-sunni fighting is being created by the west to divide and conquer the muslims, we need to stick out and not go crazy. we need to get rid of the monarchies in our counties and bring democracy and freedom. the arab muslim world will definitely be strong again its only been a 150 years since we fell off the camels back. the muslims didn't adopt cruelty like the europeans so they got left behind.

In 21st Century Muslims are so cruel , Imagine when there was no International court how cruel they would be.

Muslim left behind because they saw modern education as "tool to eradicate Islam". In India Muslim boycotted Brits education system teeth and nail and forced them to continue obsolete Madarsa system.

 

[MOHSENAM]

Miracles of the Qur'an - Modern Science Reveals New Miracles of the Qur'an

 

[Dubious]

The OP was all about past glories and lack of it in modern times and hence a doomsday scenario.

Then why did you quote me?

 

[punit]

Then why did you quote me?

aisa kya. i thought u asked me something !

 

[Dubious]

aisa kya. i thought u asked me something !

Ahh my bad you quoted OP and I got a mention...and a long sting of replies!

 

[MOHSENAM]

Miracles of Koran? oops! I didn't know Koran has Black-Magic..

Stop insulting your holybook by posting such BS links..Koran is book compiled by Muhammad follower, there is no miracle..

Mr MOHSENAM, If Koran was such book of knowledge then why all research are done by west?

From pen to plane everything is invented by west.. Holy books are just cultural and moral books, they are not science..

Do not bark about my religion.


Muslim scientists:

Astronomers and astrophysicists

• Ibrahim al-Fazari (d. 777 CE)
• Muhammad al-Fazari (died 796 or 806)
• Al-Khwarizmi, mathematician (c. 780 – c. 850)
• Ja'far ibn Muhammad Abu Ma'shar al-Balkhi (Albumasar) (787 - 886 CE)
• Al-Farghani (mid-9th century)
• Banū Mūsā (Ben ..Mousa) (9th century)
• Al-Majriti (d. 1008 or 1007 CE)
• Muhammad ibn Jābir al-Harrānī al-Battānī (Albatenius)
• Al-Farabi (Abunaser)
• Abd Al-Rahman Al Sufi
• Abu Sa'id Gorgani
• Kushyar ibn Labban
• Abū Ja'far al-Khāzin
• Al-Mahani
• Al-Marwazi
• Al-Nayrizi
• Al-Saghani
• Al-Farghani
• Abu Nasr Mansur
• Abū Sahl al-Qūhī (Kuhi)
• Abu-Mahmud al-Khujandi
• Abū al-Wafā' al-Būzjānī
• Ibn Yunus
• Ibn al-Haytham (Alhacen)
• Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī
• Avicenna (Ibn Sīnā)
• Abū Ishāq Ibrāhīm al-Zarqālī (Arzachel)
• Omar Khayyám
• Al-Khazini
• Ibn Bajjah (Avempace)
• Ibn Tufail (Abubacer)
• Nur Ed-Din Al Betrugi (Alpetragius)
• Averroes
• Al-Jazari
• Sharaf al-Dīn al-Tūsī
• Anvari
• Mo'ayyeduddin Urdi
• Nasir al-Din Tusi
• Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi
• Ibn al-Shatir
• Shams al-Dīn al-Samarqandī
• Jamshīd al-Kāshī
• Ulugh Beg, also a mathematician
• Taqi al-Din Muhammad ibn Ma'ruf, Ottoman astronomer
• Ahmad Nahavandi
• Haly Abenragel
• Abolfadl Harawi

Biologists, neuroscientists, and psychologists
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List of Muslim scientists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Iranian scientists:

A

• Abdol-Hamid (?–756), founder of Arabic prose along with the fellow Persian Ibn Muqaffa.
• Abhari (?–1262/1265), mathematician.
• Abu Dawood (c. 817–889), Islamic scholar.
• Abū Ḥanīfa (699–767), Islamic scholar.
• Abu Nasr e Mansur (c. 960–1036), mathematician.
• Abu Sa'id al-Darir al-Jurajani (9th century)
• Abu Wafa Buzjani (940–998), mathematician.
• Azod al-Dowleh (936–983), prominent scientific patron
• Ahmad ibn Farrokh (12th century), physician.
• Ahmad Ibn Imad ul-din (11th century), physician and chemist.
• Alavi Shirazi (1670–1747), royal physician to Mughal Empire of South Asia.
• Alhazen (965–1040), or Ebne Heisam in Persian.
• Amuli, Muhammad ibn Mahmud (c. 1300–1352), physician.
• Abū Ja'far al-Khāzin (900–971)
• Ansari, Khwaja Abdullah (1006–1088), Islamic scholar.
• Aqa-Kermani (18th century), physician.
• Aqsara'i (?–1379), physician.
• Arzani, Muqim (18th century), physician.
• Astarabadi (15th century), physician.
• Aufi, Muhammad (1171–1242), scientist and historian
• Avicenna (Ibn Sina, 980–1037), physician, philosopher
• Azophi (903–986), a.k.a. Abdorrahman Sufi, astronomer from Ray that invented the meridian ring.
• Ghiyāth al-Dīn Jamshīd ibn Masʾūd al-Kāshī (c. 1380–1429), astronomer and mathematician.

B

• Baghawi (c. 1041–1122), Islamic scholar
• Bahai, Sheikh (1547–1621) poet, mathematician, and astronomer,engineer,designer,faghih(religious scientist),Architect
• Baladhuri (?–892), historian
• Balkhi (787–886), a.k.a. Albumasar, mathematician
• Balkhi, Ibn Sahl (850–934), geographer and mathematician
• Balkhi, Ibn
• Banū Mūsā Brothers (9th century)
• Barmak, Khaled (705–782), Bhuddist from Khorasan in the court of al-Mansur, initiated the Greek translation movement of the Abbasid House of Wisdom
• Bayhaqi (994–1066), historian

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List of Persian scientists and scholars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[jamahir]

Muslim scientists:

Astronomers and astrophysicists...

for once, i support my farsi brother, mohsenam. but just for once, okay??

and i am a fan of al jazari, the father of automatic machinery.

 

[KingMamba]

for once, i support my farsi brother, mohsenam. but just for once, okay??

and i am a fan of al jazari, the father of automatic machinery.

You really from Libya?

 

[jamahir]

You really from Libya?

no. from bangalore ( india ) actually, but i don't want to disclose my connection to libya here so soon. please allow

the actual citizens of libyan jamahiriya are presently fighting a three year old war against the al-gay-da/talibunny criminals installed on libya by nato ( and puppets ) after october 2011. many more libyans are refugees in tunisia, egypt and russia. all of them want the libyan jamahiriya back

 

[MOHSENAM]

no. from bangalore ( india ) actually, but i don't want to disclose my connection to libya here so soon. please allow

the actual citizens of libyan jamahiriya are presently fighting a three year old war against the al-gay-da/talibunny criminals installed on libya by nato ( and puppets ) after october 2011. many more libyans are refugees in tunisia, egypt and russia. all of them want the libyan jamahiriya back

u are Muslim?

 

[MilSpec]

We need genetic transplantation (preferably ones from Eastern Siberia using artificial insemination), specially among the elite, stupidity is in the genes of most Muslim population. The smart ones used to lead before, that is why they were doing ok, but the genes diluted with local stupid ones and hence ushering in an era of stupid elites ruling over other stupid masses. Classic case of blind leading the blind.

What we need is an outside leader of superior intelligence and genetics in charge of Muslim world and then all Muslim nations should follow this leader. I propose Japan (@Nihonjin1051 ) to be that nation, if they are interested and willing, to bring order back to this chaotic Muslim world and thus gain an eternally grateful and powerful ally.

I used to think that China would be able to lead Muslim nations, but lately I am getting the feeling that they are not fit for this job. They are too big by themselves, 1.2 billion nation of Han Chinese, and they really need no help from any other group, other than ensuring raw material and energy source. Japan is small, but they are an intelligent and developed nation and do not have historic enmity with Muslims and have not been engaged in plundering within Muslim world. Question is, would they be interested?

I have more specific plans, but I will discuss those once an interested leading nation is found.

@Aeronaut .... Wtf did I just read, Is he actually proposing arti-insem by Japan? Any takers?