Is the Pakistani Diaspora in the West Doing Poorly?

[Riea]

By looking at some of the graphs I bet all of you will agree that pakistanis don't earn much compared to other nationalities example Hindu, chineese in the west. But we should instead look at how much we pakistanis are saving money compared to the others. Would you rather choose a lawyer with a 100k salary while having zero savings in your account each year or a socialworker that earns 50k but ends up saving 15k each year. That's why pakistanis compared to others are way well off in long term.

 

[RiazHaq]

Hindus and Muslims Well Educated in US But Least Educated Worldwide

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Are immigrants in the United States or United Kingdom or any other host country truly representative samples of the populations in their places of origin? Are American Hindu or Muslim demographics comparable to those of the countries they left? A recent report done by Pew Research answers these questions with substantial amount of data on educational attainment.

Global Hindus and Muslims:

Hindus are the best educated religious group in the United States. They are followed by Jews in the second place and Muslims at number 3, according to Pew Research. However, both Hindus and Muslims are at the bottom in terms of educational attainment measured across the globe. 41% of Hindus and 36% of Muslims have had no formal schooling. Hindus have the widest gender gap in education among all religions in the world with Hindu women trailing Hindu men by 2.7 years.

US Educational Attainment By Religion:

American Hindus are the most highly educated with 96% of them having college degrees, according to Pew Research. 75% of Jews and 54% of American Muslims have college degrees versus the US national average of 39% for all Americans. American Christians trail all other groups with just 36% of them having college degrees. 96% of Hindus and 80% of Muslims in the U.S. are either immigrants or the children of immigrants.

US Educational Attainment By Religion Source: Pew Research

Jews are the second-best educated in America with 59% of them having college degrees. Then come Buddhists (47%), Muslims (39%) and Christians (25%).

Worldwide Educational Achievement By Religion Source: Pew Research Center

Worldwide Educational Attainment By Religion:

Jews with average of 13.4 years of schooling are the most highly educated of all major religious groups in the world, while Muslims and Hindus, with average of just 5.6 years of schooling, are the least educated, according to a Pew Research Center global demographic study. The global average schooling for the world is 7.7 years.




The number of Hindus with no formal schooling is 41%, the highest of all religions. It's followed by 36% of Muslims with no schooling.

Gender Gap By Religion:

Hindu women trail Hindu men in schooling by 2.7 years, the widest gender gap among all religions. The gender gap between Muslim men and women is 1.5 years while Jews have no gender gap.

Summary:

Pew research data clearly shows that Hindu and Muslim immigrants in the United States represent crème de la crème of the nations they have come from. They are much better educated and far more accomplished. They are in no way representative samples of the demographics of their home countries.

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"Honestly, if a Muslim family moved next door to you, you would be the happiest person in the world. First of all, the chances of your kids getting into trouble just went way down. OK, went way down.


Because (American) Muslim community has the lowest crime rate, the highest entrepreneurship, the highest educational attainment for women in the country (US). They are the model American community.

And so, when you have people who are now afraid to come here--that's starting to happen--you have geniuses from Pakistan, who are from Indonesia, who now (think to themselves) "I'm not safe here".

That becomes an economic problem for America long term. So that we're starting to do stuff here that doesn't make good sense for what has made us great so far."

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[Ahmet Pasha]

Unfortunately experienced this first hand from a certain community who hail from South of Sindh by Arabian Sea. Kuch kahon ga to tum log jat se ban lga do ge.

Pakistanis also discriminate against each other and if in position of authority they give hard time to their fellow Pakistanis.

i know this to be true in UK.

But there is also a lot of unity as well. Major problem is in eyes of the tighty whities our fault is we are muslim. They still haven't forgotten Osama drama. So we face a lot of discrimination(most of the time it is subtle. Gora will smile to your face and wreck your life behind your back if you let him).

 

[CatSultan]

We're doing well. Most of us in america are middle/upper-middle class. Most Pakistani's work in IT, design, law, engineering, accounting or medical field. Islamophobia is not a problem for most people.

 

[rent4country]

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You know I saw similar stats earlier this year, more of incomes/education/whether happy with the US/assimilation with American culture/savings/jobs, etc., and I was SHOCKED! There is a new PEW study that shows the gap growing wider in your favor. I also saw where the Chinese lagged in per capita income and in all the data sets to Indians (that was surprising too)

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

We're doing well. Most of us in america are middle/upper-middle class. Most Pakistani's work in IT, design, law, engineering, accounting or medical field. Islamophobia is not a problem for most people.

Yeah when you work in white collar environment it is increasingly subtle. Your chances of facing islamophobia is based on your halal haram ratio. More you act like them eat laham khanzeer and drink alcohol and fornicate with their women. You will be called a "proud American".

 

[rent4country]

Hindus and Muslims Well Educated in US But Least Educated Worldwide

News, analysis and opinions about India, Pakistan, US, Canada, Europe, Mid East, South Asia, Silicon Valley, High Technology, Economy, Politics, World

www.riazhaq.com

Are immigrants in the United States or United Kingdom or any other host country truly representative samples of the populations in their places of origin? Are American Hindu or Muslim demographics comparable to those of the countries they left? A recent report done by Pew Research answers these questions with substantial amount of data on educational attainment.

Global Hindus and Muslims:

Hindus are the best educated religious group in the United States. They are followed by Jews in the second place and Muslims at number 3, according to Pew Research. However, both Hindus and Muslims are at the bottom in terms of educational attainment measured across the globe. 41% of Hindus and 36% of Muslims have had no formal schooling. Hindus have the widest gender gap in education among all religions in the world with Hindu women trailing Hindu men by 2.7 years.

US Educational Attainment By Religion:

American Hindus are the most highly educated with 96% of them having college degrees, according to Pew Research. 75% of Jews and 54% of American Muslims have college degrees versus the US national average of 39% for all Americans. American Christians trail all other groups with just 36% of them having college degrees. 96% of Hindus and 80% of Muslims in the U.S. are either immigrants or the children of immigrants.

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US Educational Attainment By Religion Source: Pew Research

Jews are the second-best educated in America with 59% of them having college degrees. Then come Buddhists (47%), Muslims (39%) and Christians (25%).

​

Worldwide Educational Achievement By Religion Source: Pew Research Center

Worldwide Educational Attainment By Religion:

Jews with average of 13.4 years of schooling are the most highly educated of all major religious groups in the world, while Muslims and Hindus, with average of just 5.6 years of schooling, are the least educated, according to a Pew Research Center global demographic study. The global average schooling for the world is 7.7 years.




The number of Hindus with no formal schooling is 41%, the highest of all religions. It's followed by 36% of Muslims with no schooling.

Gender Gap By Religion:

Hindu women trail Hindu men in schooling by 2.7 years, the widest gender gap among all religions. The gender gap between Muslim men and women is 1.5 years while Jews have no gender gap.

Summary:

Pew research data clearly shows that Hindu and Muslim immigrants in the United States represent crème de la crème of the nations they have come from. They are much better educated and far more accomplished. They are in no way representative samples of the demographics of their home countries.

Related Links:

Haq's Musings

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Muslims in San Francisco Bay Area

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News, analysis and opinions about India, Pakistan, US, Canada, Europe, Mid East, South Asia, Silicon Valley, High Technology, Economy, Politics, World

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News, analysis and opinions about India, Pakistan, US, Canada, Europe, Mid East, South Asia, Silicon Valley, High Technology, Economy, Politics, World

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Here's CNN analyst Van Jones talking about the ill-effects of Islamophobia in America:

"Honestly, if a Muslim family moved next door to you, you would be the happiest person in the world. First of all, the chances of your kids getting into trouble just went way down. OK, went way down.


Because (American) Muslim community has the lowest crime rate, the highest entrepreneurship, the highest educational attainment for women in the country (US). They are the model American community.

And so, when you have people who are now afraid to come here--that's starting to happen--you have geniuses from Pakistan, who are from Indonesia, who now (think to themselves) "I'm not safe here".

That becomes an economic problem for America long term. So that we're starting to do stuff here that doesn't make good sense for what has made us great so far."

Related Links:

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The Trump Phenomenon

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What is considered "educated" skews the numbers. Religious schools specifically teaching holy books as their tenets for science, social science, history, geography, math, etc in many countries are being labeled as being educated.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Pew research data clearly shows that Hindu and Muslim immigrants in the United States represent crème de la crème of the nations they have come from.

Is this not obvious? If India even remotely reflected the Indian diaspora in US she would be a global superpower. Americans and Europeans would be breaking their backs to migrate to India. Instead of other way around. In effect these diasporas are cherries that were cherrypicked.

 

[Pak_Sher]

Pakistanis also discriminate against each other and if in position of authority they give hard time to their fellow Pakistanis.

i know this to be true in UK.

Not true globally

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Is this not obvious? If India even remotely reflected the Indian diaspora in US she would be a global superpower. Americans and Europeans would be breaking their backs to migrate to India. Instead of other way around. In effect these diasporas are cherries that were cherrypicked.

My phupo cherrypicked me by your logic. Although family immigration branches of immigration are being pruned heavily in so many countries.

 

[313ghazi]

Is this not obvious? If India even remotely reflected the Indian diaspora in US she would be a global superpower. Americans and Europeans would be breaking their backs to migrate to India. Instead of other way around. In effect these diasporas are cherries that were cherrypicked.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, the Indian community in the US are mostly recent migrants comprising of specialists and highly skilled workers. It's not really fair to compare them with Mexicans.

My phupo cherrypicked me by your logic. Although family immigration branches of immigration are being pruned heavily in so many countries.

LOL. People who come through marriage are more likely to be Pakistani than Indian I think. This can lead to a mix of people - good and bad.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

phupo cherrypicked me by your logic

Nope. Cherrypick means by definition the best of the crop. In case of your selector she picked the best out of her family which quite does not fit the definition of cherrypick. Had she selected you from the wider population of Pakistan then indeed you could claim being "cherypicked".