Is The Existence Of PAF Questionable?

[VelocuR]

Simple answer:

PAF would to protect airspace especially drones strike, Pakistan government say NO! No permission.

Pakistan government approved to allow innocent people die everyday, every week, every month including Army, Kiyani, and ISI. Business deal to free Davis.

 

[hataf]

PAF has always taken orders from government.Recall the 1999 saga when Atlantic was shot down.PAF Wanted revenge but was stopped by GOP.In any case PAF Cannot go to war with USAF - IF you think 40 people are dying now then 4000 people will die regularly if we go to war with USAF.This issue is diplomatic and let's not kid ourselves we are not saint either.Look at the wider strategic picture - We don't control Waziristan if we do have control then we have every reason to shoot down US Drone but when our troops cannot even themselves enter North Waziristan then Why the hue and cry?Army is doing the right thing by not letting Americans have a chance to wage war on Pakistan.Today we might shot down one drone what if tomorrow US sends drones along with F22's.

sher ki aik din ki zindagi - geeder ki soo sala zindgi sa behter hoti ha

 

[Patriot]

sher ki aik din ki zindagi - geeder ki soo sala zindgi sa behter hoti ha

So you want to fight US just so we can attain our strategic goal at the cost of probably millions of Pakistanis?This talk is all good and dandy if you're single and have no kids or if you're suicidal.Would you be ok if you see your children burning by cluster bombs?That's why i always suggest we should get out of Afghan mess and support our country only.That is we should know what what we are and not trying to be some super power messing in other countries internal problems.If only we focused only on our internal problems ( Why should we care what happens in Afghanistan) we would be much better today.Don't tell me that Soviets would have taken over Balochistan.

 

[acetophenol]

word to all pak bros: the title itself is unjustifiable. We all have had difficult times in our nations and it is important to stick to our own nations. We have to support our own nation and its assets. If we won't then who will? Martians? It is bad to rise against the govt. in a violent
Manner(the proposed revolution) is like raping your own nation. It is what big
Bozos like uncle sam wants-to make us loose our patriotism! If you want to protest,bring the govt. down in the elections. Show the power of democracy!

 

[desioptimist]

uncalled for. Refrain from personal attacks.

Sorry, I did not mean to offend, I was just implying that what he has written is incoherent. I should have worded it properly.
There is no sorry button

 

[AstanoshKhan]

That's an authentic question by the thread starter. Why don't you guys (TTs in specific) give him a break and post counter productive arguments to give him some ease. His questions would be kiddish but that's not the way to treat kids considering the knowledge he has on world/internal affairs - he cares for his country and countrymen and this Airforce is there to save his countrymen and him from the wrath of enemy, which they are not doing it. Either give him some reasonable responses or get the fcuk outta here.

 

[Jamshed]

PPls who say dat PAF take order from GOP shud be ashamed ... everyone know that army dont obey any orders from GOP they run a separate state within state but when it comes to drone attacks ARmy leave everything on GOP wat a shame .... this thread should be regarding existance of who Pak Army ... i dont think there is any need of it ... they cant provide the safe guard to ppls of Pakistan ... but now i am sure that pentagon and Pak army will jointly shoot down couple of drones and credit will be awarded to man in Camouflage, undermining the Civilian government , with slogan after Friday prayer KADAM BHARO Gen. KIYANI HUM TUMHARE SATH HAIN

 

[BATMAN]

It is not only the drones what PAF has to look... into.
Rest assure... india is waiting for any such opportune moment.

Our war doctrine historical is oriented to defend only southern borders.... where we expect about 500 mix of a/c.
Lets face the fact PAF does not have assets enough to carry out operations at two fronts simultaneously.
Even in case of single enemy it will wait till the war is blown up to full scale and enemy take on bombing missions over major cities and key defence positions.
Remember... in Kargil PAF allocated its resources only for the defence of key installations.

In order ot match our desires our defence budget has to be raised at least to half the level of combined enemy's defence budget.

Presently, our defence strategy totally designed around nuclear detterence..... i.e. Who so ever launch full scale air assault on Pakistan we deliver nukes at all major cities of India and this is all PAF can surely achieve.

We do have limited interception capability but not to the scale to counter indian and allied airforces simultaneously.
To come close to any such demo, we have to count on support of friendly states.

However.. PAF can play a bluff card by coming into the play in current scenario but than rest of all will be gods help.

Having said that the permission from ministry of defence is a fundamental pre-requisite, while Gilani and his ministers acknowledged various times on media.... drones attacks are unrevokeable agreement.

last but not least... all the aid cum international loans are going to personal pockets of politicians, why would those like to cut a milk cow and make stupid move of granting permission to down a drone.
PAF can only under take such act in self defence but than it has to be so.

 

[Pfpilot]

The problem here is that too many people hold the PAF in such high regard that some of them get carried away. The PAF is an arm of the government of Pakistan which has a very specific purpose, to hold air superiority over our territory...but it can only do so when directed by the government. If given a specific mission, the PAF would carry it out superbly, but it needs to be given a mission...its job is not to solve world hunger or to chase around random drones without approval from a government that is busy playing a high stakes political game.
If the PAF were to shoot these drones down, it would only have an adverse impact on our nation...isnt it obvious to everyone what happens to every country that tries to mess with the USA...it is smarter to ride out this latest wave because the Americans have a short attention span in world politics, they will eventually move onto their next scape goat...we want to make sure we are still around and ready to take advantage of an America free future. Think with your brain people, not your heart...we are being treated unfairly by the US, but no point in falling into their trap and making emotional decisions.

 

[Omar1984]

Why spend so much money on F-16s and JF-17s when you can not protect your own people from being bombed by a foreign country on a daily basis?

What is the use of those F-16S and JF-17s? So they collect dust behind closed doors?

 

[satishkumarcsc]

Why spend so much money on F-16s and JF-17s when you can not protect your own people from being bombed by a foreign country on a daily basis?

What is the use of those F-16S and JF-17s? So they collect dust behind closed doors?

Nope. As the saying goes..."Without it's weapons an air-forceis just another costliest flying club."

Back to topic:

C'mon PAF is an arm of the Pakistani Government and cannot take decisions on it's own. Remember something called as "Chain of Command"? People who think PAF is going to take decisions on it's own is just another day dreamer. PAF has earned it's respect because of it's professionalism and that respect deserves to be protected.

 

[muse]

If the PAF were to shoot these drones down, it would only have an adverse impact on our nation...isnt it obvious to everyone what happens to every country that tries to mess with the USA...it is smarter to ride out this latest wave because the Americans have a short attention span in world politics, they will eventually move onto their next scape goat...we want to make sure we are still around and ready to take advantage of an America free future. Think with your brain people, not your heart...we are being treated unfairly by the US, but no point in falling into their trap and making emotional decisions.

So these are the Shaheen, Iqbal had in mind - this is what the sacrifices of the Pakistani nation, depriving millions of education, services and food, are worth???? Decline to protect Pakistan???? I know. we'll be defending it by showing the enemy our backs, how practical, how cleaver, how shameless.

 

[Jamshed]

LOl @PAFPILOT Everyone know that our armed forces dnt give a S..T to GOP ... so plz dnt tell us that they want order from GOP for shooting down drones .. if u shoot down drones no one will attack u.. US now is not the only super power .. now once again world is multipolar US will think thousand of times before engaging in a full scale war with Pakistan and INDIA will think millions of times b4 jumping into that war because they knw dat it will push dem bak into the darks ages again... u just need a will which our armed forces dnt have ... JIS HATH MAIN SHARAB KA GLASS HO US MAIN BANDOOK NAHI HONE CHAHIYE

 

[ZaYYaF]

Is The Existence Of PAF Questionable? Answer is: No.

Look, the center of attention for our defense forces is India, and it will remain like this till every (most of the important ones at least) dispute between the two are solved.

Ask yourself honestly, can we really take on USA, all by ourselves? No. To say that China would assist us against US is absurd, why, because China won't help if we are intentionally to go head on against US, they would only help if US attitude and aggression rise to the level where they see their sovereignty and interests (resources, and routes etc) in danger, and I don't blame them for that (at least they would be with us in the latter scenario).

Don't you think that by engaging ourselves with US forces, won't encourage our rivals to try for a potential adventure against our country? Of course, this is always a possibility. So, can we really defend ourselves against multiple opponents at multiple fronts?

So the actual question here is whether we continue with the same policy to allow the drones to kill our people? This policy has to be reviewed and re-designed for the interest of our nation. Yes, we have to tough this one out against the super power, and demand to enforce whatever is the best strategy to go forth.

 

[SQ8]

The drones used to take off from Shamsi in Pakistan..
They moved to Bagram after that base developed into the complex it is today.
Putting the PAF on alert to shoot down drones is just a ploy.
The death of the tribal elders is a setback for our campaign there.. or as the Americans like to put it.. winning hearts and minds..
All those people effected..will be sympathetic to the TTP now..
So the reaction.. is simple.. publicly condemn the strike..
and privately.. ask CENTCOM ; "What the heck were you thinking? told you guys a hundred times before that you have issues telling a Taliban gathering apart from a funeral.. are you with us or against us.. next time.. ask us before blowing something up".