Is SUPARCO REALLY a failure?

[truthseeker2010]

Punjabi are tolerant and progressive on average.

Most of ur khaki creatures are punjabis and yet they are neither of what u stated.

 

[LeGenD]

Another obsession of Punjabis is to destroy valuable farmlands and building DHAs and Bahria Town and what not on top. Even when Punjabis construct, they destroy.

Why can't Punjabis build houses on beeches of Baluchistan where infinite land is available? Not necessarily in Gawadar or places owned by Baluchis but presumably there is plenty of land on Balucistan coast which is not owned by anyone.

This could be highly lucrative for government to develop the land and sell at premium including to overseas Pakistanis. Add water sports and ferries and soon everyone would want a seafront property. Use desalinated sea water for population as well as for small scale agriculture to provide fresh vegetables to locals.

This will help reduce inland population congestion, pollution and pressure on resources.

Part of the land sale proceeds can go to subside housing for Baluch but no, Punjabis would rather spend more to kill Baluch than to spend less on Baluch to make them happy.

I am not a fan of property mafia but Punjabi are not welcome in Balochistan. Balochi extremists will shoot Punjabi settlers.

Most of ur khaki creatures are punjabis and yet they are neither of what u stated.

Army is multi-ethnic.

 

[Puffin]

Zaid Hamid believes Chandrayaan 3 is all fake CGI graphics by the Indians

 

[truthseeker2010]

I am not a fan of property mafia but Punjabi are not welcome in Balochistan. Balochi extremists will shoot Punjabi settlers.


Army is multi-ethnic.

Ever wondered why balochs does not welcome punjabis? or for that matter how welcoming is now common public is of the khaki creatures?

 

[Asimzranger]

soon they will buy supra

 

[S.Y.A]

He is Qadiani, hence the constant bitching and moaning lmao

Some of it is true but seeing him bitch is so funny


That's literally the entire reason why he's squirming all over this forum lmao, because of the qadiani thing

qadian was in east punjab, mirza ghulam ahmed was a punjabi himself, and most of the qadianis are punjabis. looks like he is just a self-hater, or hates the ethnicity of his prophet, lol.

one of his most famous predictions was that qadian will grow so big that it will absorb lahore and people wont remember that lahore even existed. its the other way round now.

 

[Silicon0000]

Pakistan was the second country who send rocket (Rehbar-1 in 1962) in space after Russia. Even before US (Who actually provided tech for this Rehbar-1 rocket of Pakistan and wanted to test its tech so when US launch it, it will be a success).

SUPARCO was far ahead of India, but then we decided to stop its original activities and make it function like an Armed Force Institute.

Chronology of Pakistan's rocket tests - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Check the dates in above link .............. Till 1972 what SUPARCO was doing .......... And Then What It started to do. Actually, SUPARCO was a great success but then it died in 1972.

We made it an armed force institute under cover of space program so results are obvious. It's doing what it supposed to do being an armed force institute to launch missiles and feed armed forces Personales.


.......... And Yes, Share Weather Updates and Moon Age and Sighting Predictions Too.

 

[waz]

What if the organization was headed by ACM Nur Khan?
Just because the leadership was military, doesn't automatically mean it was incompetent.

That would be good, but in front of him there is a queue of generals waiting . Space agencies look for merit among large civilian expert pools who have devoted their lives to the study of various science disciplines. The forces have an array of men who have taken different academic pathways, yet they make up all of the heads of the organisation since 2000.

 

[Iron Shrappenel]

Delegate power downwards in the Army and reduce the number of frickin generals.... Pakistan can't bear the weight of their pensions and perks... Moreover, how the hell are we going to produce enough white collar jobs for pen pushing, a.c enjoying," Yeh kal meray table pei hauna chahiye, I can't take no for an answer ,", dala enjoying jurnaails ?

 

[Mentee]

Ever wondered why balochs does not welcome punjabis? or for that matter how welcoming is now common public is of the khaki creatures?

Coz Ayub Khan and Bhutto launched military operations against Baloch tribal leaders ?

 

[Neelo]

1. Why is the acronym “SUPARCO” even a thing when a simple “Pakistan Space Agency” would be suffice?

2. What has SUPARCO achieved in the past two decades? Set aside the budget….do they have a social media presence? Do they actively engage with the people on social media? Do they even update their website?

The answer is no. SUPARCO has become yet another Retired Faujeet landing pad, like Pakistan Sports Board.

Since 2000, SUPARCO chairperson has been at best a Masters of Science holder, and all Major Generals.

What have they accomplished? Nothing.

 

[indushek]

How salim Mehmud destroyed Merit inside Suparco

Chairman Salim Mehmud and my Brush with SUPARCO during the 1980s

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@SQ8 @S.Y.A

Sunday, September 8, 2019​

Chairman Salim Mehmud and my Brush with SUPARCO during the 1980s​

I spent 6 months in SUPARCO in 1987 before resigning and leaving for US for PhD. They were trying to design for several years a signal-filter chip that was available for a few hundred rupees in Saddar. We had nothing to do in the Computer Department where I was working. The commute time from City to Factory in Somiani was about 1.5hrs. Vans will come and pick us up early in the morning before 6. We were pretty tired and sleepy as we reach the factory at around 7am. Often the department employees would spread the packing material and sleep in the corners behind computers in the chilled computer center. The enterprising among us would sit on Autocad and design fun machine diagrams such as Space Shuttle (only its drawing, not the technical construction).

The higher management was busy in making indents for purchasing materials and equipment. Their interest appeared more to be in commissions than in the usage of equipment. One could see expensive equipment lying around rotting. Ran typically as a bureaucratic organization, the objective of the top management was not to allow people to work. So everyone was doing nothing but looking busy. Chairman was Dr Salim Mehmud, who was at the helm of affairs for around a decade. I think his mandate was neither to do any thing nor allow any one to do anything. Once in early 1980s, much before joining SUPARCO, while I was still a student of engineering and was a regular member and visitor of American Center, Dr Salim Mehmud was invited as a guest speaker at American Center Science Club. After his presentation there,

I asked him a question. The question was based on science articles by Mr Azeem Quidwai in Dawn that I used to read regularly. Around that time, I had read some articles about the satellite slots allotted to Pakistan, which if not utilized, would be lost. The question that I asked was given that there is only limited space available for geostationary satellites, why Pakistan had not occupied the 3 spaces allotted to it. Pakistan had at that time already lost some allotted space or was about to lose some. He got angry at my question, and instead of replying effectively shut me down.

At that time I was too young (around 21) to understand what was in the question that irritated him so much! It was much later that I realized the question was actually pointing out his key weakness. I recall we were left with only one last space in 1999-2000. I remember Mr Salman Ansari, Advisor to Dr Ata Ur Rahman, managed to get a dying satellite moved to this space just to fill and occupy the space up till such time a worthy satellite could be acquired and moved into that slot.

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Dr Salim Mehmud

That Q n A with Dr Salim Mehmud was a few years before I appeared in the Ministry of Science and Technology Scholarship interview panel in Fall 1986 after having passed the written test, which was conducted in SUPARCO premises in PECHS (I think). Dr Salim Mehmud was heading the interview panel and included in the panel was also his head of computer department.

The question that he asked me was how many Sijdas are there in Quran. Another panelist asked me to recite Dua e Qanoot. The head of computer department Mr Moiz asked me a really technical question that only a techy could have asked. I was explaining my Final Year project that involved assembly language programming of micro controller based on Z-80 microprocessor. I had spent the previous year working in the dungeon going exhaustively into every nook and corner of the processor.

After a couple of easy questions such as how to load accumulator and what is indirect addressing, he asked me a real difficult one. He asked how can we save all the contents of the registers with a single command. I replied EXX command that would shift all the contents of all the registers to their shadow counterparts. This was a seldom used command that I had encountered in the monitor program (kernel/micro os) for the micro-controller that I was tweaking. It was used typically for saving the state before delving into an interrupt (NMI?) routine. I still can recall many of mnemonics of the oft used commands. For some even their Hexadecimal codes. [A testimony to thousands of hours that I must have spent with that project and microprocessor]

My written exam was excellent (someone later told me I was among the top) as I had prepared exhaustively for GRE a few years ago for getting admission to foreign universities. I already had secured the admission at UT Austin. Initially I got the admission for Fall 1985, which I extended to 1986 citing some personal reason. The actual reason was that I was expecting scholarship which they did not offer, and I wanted to reserve the admission as I was looking for alternate sources. Mind you, that reservation costed me $50 which was hell of a lot of money for me at that time as I was taking tuitions to support my education. I had no resources of my own or family to support this foreign study project [need a separate post on this].

In 1986, I again obtained an extension of admission to 1987 from UT Austin. Fortunately, Ministry of Science and Technology (MoST) announced 400 scholarships for study abroad and I applied. My interview was excellent and I had replied to all the questions correctly and convincingly. Many of the students selected for Science and Technology scholarship during the previous year did not have admission in foreign universities and many failed to secure the admission and the seats went vacant. Hence, Mr Salim Mehmud and the panel immediately decided to give me the scholarship and also a job at SUPARCO and promised the incentive that I would be given leave with pay for the 4-year duration of scholarship.

This was how I entered SUPARCO and was assigned the computer department which was headed by Mr Moiz. We were first given a three months training at the SUPARCO factory in Somiani. After which I started going to the job in the department and the workplace situation described above was of that time. However, around 2-3 months before my scheduled departure for Fall 1987 joining of UT Austin, I learned that Mr Salim Mahmud had taken back the scheme of with-pay leave for the duration of scholarship. This was a severe setback for me. I was counting on it and signing of 5-year bond with SUPARCO could only have made sense with that incentive.

MoST had arranged a 15 days training in basic computer awareness in what is now the HEC office in H9 Islamabad during the Summers. It used to be some Atomic Energy Institute. The affectees of the removal of incentive included several other SUPARACO employees who had also gotten the scholarship. This Islamabad course offered a fortuitous opportunity for canvassing. We sat down and prepared a petition. The team also included Mr Altaf Mukati (later to be PhD) who was going to Boston University for his PhD. Armed with a long petition quoting the statements of Chairman SUPARCO, statements of Dr Mahboob ul Haq, and President Zia ul Haq regarding promotion of Science and Technology that we obtained from Dawn, developing the ground for why we should be given leave with pay. [I have the copy of petition somewhere]. Mr Mukati and I utilized the training time in Islamabad for going from office to office.

We went with our petition to Chairman PEC Mr Ilahi Baksh Soomro, to Finance Secretary, to Federal Ombudsman, to Secretary Science and Technology and others. We would try to meet each of them, and did meet some of them and give our petition in person. Others we got the offices to receive them officially. We also attended some sessions of the computer training which was too elementary for us, and hence we managed to get official leave from the instructors for these expeditions.

When I saw nothing happening to my petition, I decided to resign some weeks before my departure date. Why should I take on a severely constricting bond of SUPARCO which was thought to be too tough at the time, when I would not be getting any with-pay-leave incentive. I think by that time SUPARCO had traced the people who were sending these petitions. My resignation was readily accepted as I was on probation for the new joining. I remember meeting him at his house in North Nazimabad regarding my resignation, where he seemed quite reasonable.



I learned later that Dr Salim Mehmud was quite angry. However, Mr Altaf Mukati was a permanent employee and the reprisal from the vindictive Mr Salim Mahmud is another story that he should relate himself. Eventually a year later when I was in USA my appartment mate Mr Sohail Zaki Farooqui (later to be PhD), who was also a SUPARCO employee and one of the affectees, told me that they have revived the policy of with-pay leave and they would all be getting the arrears. Initially I felt the loss, but I was later glad that I did not take the bait. Five years at SUPARCO would have definitely made me a fossilized relic the way I saw many others becoming there.

Having seen Chairman SUPARCO Dr Salim Mehmud, Chairman Gen Javed Husain of POF Wah, and Air Chief Marshal Tanveer of PAF, I can safely say that easiest way to stultify the research organizations is for the neocolonial powers to maneuver only people like these to the top positions. Spending hundred of millions of dollars on espionage is useless. The only thing the powers need to do is to ensure the continuation of mediocrity and incompetence in these organizations. Incentivizing the promotion of a few nincompoops to the top is enough. The incompetent don't even need to know who jacked them up. Nepotism and such pulls are already kosher in Pakistan. Let them revel in celebrating their incompetence and let them believe that their type of performance (lack of) is ticket to success. This will encourage them to promote more like them, reducing the need for external incentivizing.

@VCheng

How similar is your story to this? two to three paras in and you were floating in my mind. If am not wrong, you faced this overseas though. Still story sounds similar, and generational too after reading the characters in play here compared to yours.

 

[TheSolution]

1. Why is the acronym “SUPARCO” even a thing when a simple “Pakistan Space Agency” would be suffice?

2. What has SUPARCO achieved in the past two decades? Set aside the budget….do they have a social media presence? Do they actively engage with the people on social media? Do they even update their website?

The answer is no. SUPARCO has become yet another Retired Faujeet landing pad, like Pakistan Sports Board.

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Since 2000, SUPARCO chairperson has been at best a Masters of Science holder, and all Major Generals.

What have they accomplished? Nothing.

Nothing in Pakistan has good media PR.

When they release media it's not even clear what the fu** they are talking about, and it's like a child was tasked with handling the editing.

 

[Neelo]

Nothing in Pakistan has good media PR.

When they release media it's not even clear what the fu** they are talking about, and it's like a child was tasked with handling the editing.

ZEAL FERVER BULWARK

 

[truthseeker2010]

Coz Ayub Khan and Bhutto launched military operations against Baloch tribal leaders ?

Yup they were the first ones to be labelled traitors by the khaki creatures dominated by punjabiz.