Is Pakistan the heir to the Mughals?

[hussain0216]

What do they teach in Greece, Alexander invaded India. Yes?

Why would their general ignorance reflect our history?

The people of Pakistan have been here for thousands of years

The Indus valley civilization was here over 8000 years ago

Our people haven't moved, what connection beyond living in the same general part of a continent so we have with the gangadeshies from the east??

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Why would their general ignorance reflect our history?

The people of Pakistan have been here for thousands of years

The Indus valley civilization was here over 8000 years ago

Our people haven't moved, what connection beyond living in the same general part of a continent so we have with the gangadeshies from the east??

So which country was it?

 

[hussain0216]

Various territories, that's what all South Asia was

Sometimes one territory occupied another, or even a couple

But it was never one state, one people or a India


Even the idea of India is born in Pakistan, you lot were really just people east of what others considered India, which was little more then a geographic location again just Africa




Punjabi
Sindhi
Baloch
Pashtun
Kashmiri
And more


Our people have been on these lands for thousands upon thousands of years


We have little connection to the vast majority of the people to the east



Pakistani understand who they are, it's Indian obsession though trying to either co-opt history

Make up fantasy history

Or connect everyone




Even in matters if faith, the people here dumped Hinduism or anything else that came before, it means nothing to us, it's worthless, yet Hindus obsessed with trying to connect us to a system that we discarded

 

[Foinikas]

What do they teach in Greece, Alexander invaded India. Yes?

What does Alexander have to do with the Mughals?

 

[SIPRA]

So which country was it?

There was no country, mairay Bhai.

Sultan Mehmood Ghaznavi never attacked India; because there was no India, as a state, or a country. Yes, it was a region, as Europe, or Middle East, or South America is. He attacked different rulers, of that time, in this Subcontinent.

What does Alexander have to do with the Mughals?

Alexander was the maternal uncle of Mughals.

 

[AgnosticIndian]

It has been reported that the Mughal court used to start at 1 pm because the Emperer used to attend Mushaera until 6 am and then sleep

man that means I'm the real heir of Mughals

 

[Max]

No, Mughals were Uzbeks and todays Pakistan can annihilate Uzbekistan on short notice. Just saying, meant no offense to any Uzbek here.

 

[hussain0216]

All Muslims of the subcontinent are the INHERITORS of the Muslim history of the sub continent


That's what's forged us into what and who we are

The Indians have this obsession to try to co-opt us, and just because, maybe once upon a time our ancestors worshipped idols or something daft that we should forever be trapped into worshipping stone idols or animal gods

Most of us come from a Muslim lineage that is hundreds of years old, even if it wasn't we embraced our faith



Do not in ignorance , forgot or give up our history, it's what differentiates us from these people

 

[ummarz]

Alexander invaded a part of India which today is Pakistan. So India existed.

Historic India is not equal to modern India. The name India (or Hind) in history was attributed to the lands of modern day Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, and various other countries.

A word that correctly describes historic India is Indian subcontinent. Punjabis, or any Pakistani for that matter will gladly accept to belong to the Indian subcontinent. But not India.

Why?

Because, anybody who will call them selves as having an Indian identity today will automatically give the impression that they belong to modern day country of India which came into existence in 1947. Because few people in the world will care to know the history of the word it self. Even if a Pakistani says, that I belong to Pakistan but have an Indian identity will be taken as if they came from India, or this wording could be used to suggest that Pakistan broke away from a nation called India, which is not true. This wording could also be used to suggest that modern day Pakistanis and Indians are one people, which is also not true. So you see this brings confusion, and is very misleading.

Your statement is very confusing and can be misleading. Your statement plays on words, and uses the same word to describe historic India (a geographic area) and modern India (a nation state).

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

But it was never one state, one people or a India


Even the idea of India is born in Pakistan, you lot were really just people east of what others considered India, which was little more then a geographic location again just Africa




Punjabi
Sindhi
Baloch
Pashtun
Kashmiri
And more


Our people have been on these lands for thousands upon thousands of years


We have little connection to the vast majority of the people to the east



Pakistani understand who they are, it's Indian obsession though trying to either co-opt history

Make up fantasy history

Or connect everyone




Even in matters if faith, the people here dumped Hinduism or anything else that came before, it means nothing to us, it's worthless, yet Hindus obsessed with trying to connect us to a system that we discarded

India and Indian identity is ancient. The whole world knew it, including Alexander and the Greeks. He had come for revenge because your ancestors had been fighting for Persian Empire but he knew you weren't Persia.

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"Another famous mountain was Mount Quaiqian, which is also one of the Al-Akhshabayn. It was known as Jabal Hindi."

 

[hussain0216]

Another famous mountain was Mount Quaiqian, which is also one of the Al-Akhshabayn. It was known as Jabal Hindi.

India and Indian identity is ancient. The whole world knew it, including Alexander and the Greeks. He had come for revenge because your ancestors had been fighting for Persian Empire but he knew you weren't Persia.

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"Another famous mountain was Mount Quaiqian, which is also one of the Al-Akhshabayn. It was known as Jabal Hindi."

So was Africa

There was no India

We are not you

Our people are not you


The Indus valley civilization was in what is today Pakistan, it expanded into some small parts of what is India but it has no connection to the majority of indians

 

[Foinikas]

India and Indian identity is ancient. The whole world knew it, including Alexander and the Greeks. He had come for revenge because your ancestors had been fighting for Persian Empire but he knew you weren't Persia.

Alexander even treated Porus as an ally and by that time he had an army of Greeks,Persians and Indians.

 

[hussain0216]

You are not us. Indians liberated that area. We also liberated the same area from Mongol occupation. That area was in India and Indians existed there. Your ancestors did not identify as Indian is a different matter.


Alexander didn't go beyond today's Pakistan.

There was no India, the people of the sub continent are as diverse as European's


This revisionist hindutva history of yours is a joke, it's a joke when you obsess over it in bakht forums but on here it's point blank retarded

 

[Indus Pakistan]

There is no clear cut anser to this. The reality is far more nuanced. I don't think any one country is heir to the Moghuls. The legacy of Moghuls is diffused over a large geography.

• Uzbekistan
• Afghanistan
• Pakistan
• India
• etc

The Moghuls hailed from Central Asia, had Turkic heritage, used Persian and adopted high Persian culture, relied on Afghan soldiers, Pakistan was staging post before India was invaded.

Meaning Moguls were in Pakistan before they set foot in India. But later after they conquered the teeming Ganga valley their power base shifted into the Ganga plains and over time became more 'Indian' so in the latter stages the Muslim bayyas of UP have greater claim.

So we have a moving target that no one country can claim as 'heir'. Had Pakistan kept Farsi and Persian high culture then I think it could have come out as the more significant heir.

But as it is Pakistan's claim is no stronger then the rest of the region.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

There was no India, the people of the sub continent are as diverse as European's


This revisionist hindutva history of yours is a joke, it's a joke when you obsess over it in bakht forums but on here it's point blank retarded

You are not Indian. This has nothing to do with Hindutva or Hindu-Muslim.