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Is Pakistan part of South Asia?

You are wrong bro.

Syyeds claim to be the descendents of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and they are very proud of being Syyed and their Arab blood. Qureshis also claim Arab descent.

Have you ever talked to a Syyed Pakistani. He will tell you by race he is Arab but by nationality he is Pakistani.

There is nothing wrong with Pakistanis being different races. Theres beauty in diversity.

Thats right south punajabis have been muslims for 1300 years when muhammad bin qasim invaded punjab in 7 century, 300 years before most afghani converted to islam, punjabis have been muslims longer than afghan, except the natives rajput and jats and few other there are many tribes claiming arabs ancestory, some of them include awan, qutb shai khokhars and dozens others
 
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My claim is not "absurd".

Look at the distribution of Haplogroup J (arab/semetic marker)

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In Pakistan arab genes are only present in Sindh and Balochistan (still at low levels), arab genes are not really present in Punjab.

Most Pakistani Punjabis are related to indian Punjabis.

And there's no such thing as a "Punjabi Pathan". Your either just a Punjabi straight up, or a citizen of Punjab. Niazis, and other non-Punjabis living in Punjab are citizens of Punjab.

If pathan are not the natives of punjab then jats and rajputs are also not natives of punjab because according to historian rajputs and jats also come from central asia, Pushtun have been living in punjab for thousands of years, All the pathan who ruled bharat were born in punjab and never in their life went to afghanistan except ahmed shah

Sher shah suri born in Multan
Bahlol Lodhi born in Multan
Ahmed Shah born in Multan

Punjabi is not an ethnicity its a linguistic classification and i have seen pathan speaking punjabi
 
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Wouldn't it be great if all the countries in green were one huge country :smitten:

we are working on that, if bhutto and king faisal had lived for few more years it could have happened decades earlier,

Iran is the only irritant
 
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Dude, i don't know why your so hell bent on trying to prove that Punjabis are related to arabs? Even if some Punjabis did have an arab ancestor maybe a thausand years ago, why does that matter today. that was just one ancestor.

Zeeshan,
Dont hate arabs most of them admire pakistanis, Arabs ruled south punjab for 3 centuries untill mahmud of ghazna came in 10 centuries, There is not a single bharti empire which ruled punjab for that much time, mauryan who ruled 100year in punjab were from taxilla,

Punjabis are bound to more related to arabs then bhartis
 
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Sir...i liked your posts....plz do give a read to my posts on previous page (page 3)...they reinforce what you are saying with facts and evidences.

Cheers :cheers:
 
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So the Semitic haplgroup marker is pretty prevalent across middle east and west asia. Does that mean Sindhis and Punjabis are genetically related to Jews?
 
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Is Pakistan part of South Asia?
By Aparna Pande

Pakistan’s Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir recently remarked that “Pakistan, India and other countries in South Asia and the region’s population of over one billion people cannot be geographically separated.”

The remark represents a departure from years of attempts by Pakistan to deny its South Asian identity and link up instead
with the Muslim Middle East.
Geographically, linguistically, culturally and historically South Asia is a vital part of Pakistan’s personality. Yet for decades a majority of Pakistani policy makers, intellectuals and strategists have attempted to virtually relocate Pakistan within the Muslim Arab Middle East.

India’s name is derived from the river Indus, which now flows primarily through Pakistan. Most of Pakistan’s pre-partition history is the same as that of India. The term Pakistan is an acronym patterned on place names used in Central Asia, names that were brought to India by rulers of Central Asian origin who eventually merged or became an integral part of India.

They are not Arabic in origin. Pakistanis do not speak any of the major languages identified with the Middle East -Arabic, Persian and Turkish – and their cuisine and costumes, too, have greater similarity with South Asian food and clothing. Linguistically most of Pakistan’s languages are spoken in other parts of the South Asian subcontinent -Punjabi, Sindhi and Urdu (and before the separation of Bangladesh, Bengali).

Culturally Islam as practiced in South Asia has been different from rituals in other regions of the Muslim world, especially the Middle East. It has been more influenced by Sufism and has been more tolerant. The impact of Hindu customs and local culture on local practice of Islam and on South Asian Muslims is also very discernible.

However, since 1947, both at the level of domestic politics and foreign policy Pakistan’s policy makers have made a conscious effort to redefine the shared heritage with India. Marginalizing Pakistan’s South Asian identity and closer identification with a Muslim Middle Eastern identity seems to have been part of a larger strategic decision aimed at consolidating a unique Pakistani identity. This is a point I have further described in my book (Explaining Pakistan’s Foreign Policy: Escaping India, Routledge, March 2011).

Soon after partition, Pakistani leaders faced the question of defining a Pakistani national identity distinct from that of India. Pakistan’s various provinces had ethnic or linguistic distinctiveness, which provided a basis for ethnic or language based nationalism, while their shared historical experience and heritage linked them to India as well. Pakistan had to be different from India if partition was to be justified and that raised the question of Pakistani identity.

Pakistan had little history of its own to appeal to but that of the Indian civilization (including India’s Muslim history) it had broken away from. Partition of the British Raj into India and Pakistan led to the separation of the new Pakistani state from the heart of the Muslim empire in South Asia, which now formed part of “Hindu” India. For centuries Delhi had consistently been the capital of India’s Muslim empires. The legacy of Indo-Muslim culture had evolved in kingdoms such as Oudh, Hyderabad, Rampur, Bhopal, Murshidabad, Golconda and Bijapur. The territory of these former kingdoms was located now in India and not in Pakistan. This left the new country with little within its territory to connect with the golden symbols of Muslim South Asian traditions.

Pakistan could have taken one of two roads- acknowledge its Indian history and laid itself open to constant critique over its raison d’etre or try and craft a narrative of history that matched its current ambitions. Pakistan’s leaders opted for the latter and in doing so, searched for episodic evidence in the relatively recent history of Indian Muslims.

Pakistan’s foreign policy has been cast in the same terms: because India is dominated by Hindus, with whom Muslims have little in common, Pakistan must draw closer to the Muslim states to its west. Many Pakistani strategists hold the view that Pakistan should by-pass South Asia and the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC) because the latter is only an umbrella to “legitimize Indian hegemony.” Although Pakistan has been a member of the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC) since its founding in 1985, Pakistan continues to give greater importance to its membership of the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC). Some Pakistani scholars and journalists assert that active membership of the OIC and a low-key association with SAARC denies legitimacy to an organization where India has a dominant or primary role.

It is in this context that the recent remark by Pakistan’s top diplomat is worth noting Instead of seeing this as an acknowledgement of a Pakistani South Asian identity we must analyze the context. Pakistan, resents India being placed “in a different league” than Pakistan and Pakistanis do not
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Nonsense, I will rather die than be classified in any group with Indians, Geographically Pakistan is a part of central Asia, The area west of river Indus is ancient Persia which makes up 60-70% Pakistan’s area, Linguistically most Pakistanis are indo-Aryans which is native to Pakistan, Sanskrit the mother of indo Aryan language, which originated in Pakistanis, Bhartis are not the native speakers of Sanskrit, they have just adopted our Pakistani language i.e. Sanskrit, The Aryans of sapta sindhwa(Pakistan) who migrated to ganga valley introduced Sanskrit to bharat, The original language of bharat is not Sanskrit, it was the same as south bharat.

The name india was given to sindh by Greeks, since they never went east of sindh only Pakistanis can have the name india not bhart

We have no shared history with bharat, we were separate from baharat untilll ghauri came in 12 century, Pakistanis got nothing to do with hindus as our founder Jinnah said ''The Moslem has nothing in common with the Hindu except his slavery to the British''
 
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Nonsense I will rather die than be classified in any group with Indians, Geographically Pakistan is a part of central Asia, The area west of river Indus is ancient Persia which makes up 60-70% Pakistan’s area, Linguistically most Pakistanis are indo-Aryans which is native to Pakistan, Sanskrit the mother of indo Aryan originated in Pakistanis, Bhartis are not the native speakers of Sanskrit, they have just adopted our Pakistani language i.e. Sanskrit, The Aryans of sapta sindhwa(Pakistan) who migrated to ganga valley introduced Sanskrit to bharat, The original language of bharat is not Sanskrit, it was the same as south bharat.

The name india was given to sindh by Greeks, since they never went east of sindh only Pakistanis can have the name india not bhart

We have no shared history with bharat, we were separate from baharat untilll ghauri came in 12 century, Pakistanis got nothing to do with hindus as our founder Jinaah said The Moslem has nothing in common with the Hindu except his slavery to the British

Seems like you haven't learnt a lot from your earlier exchanges around historical topics. Alas.........
 
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Nonsense I will rather die than be classified in any group with Indians, Geographically Pakistan is a part of central Asia, The area west of river Indus is ancient Persia which makes up 60-70% Pakistan’s area, Linguistically most Pakistanis are indo-Aryans which is native to Pakistan, Sanskrit the mother of indo Aryan originated in Pakistanis, Bhartis are not the native speakers of Sanskrit, they have just adopted our Pakistani language i.e. Sanskrit, The Aryans of sapta sindhwa(Pakistan) who migrated to ganga valley introduced Sanskrit to bharat, The original language of bharat is not Sanskrit, it was the same as south bharat.

The name india was given to sindh by Greeks, since they never went east of sindh only Pakistanis can have the name india not bhart

We have no shared history with bharat, we were separate from baharat untilll ghauri came in 12 century, Pakistanis got nothing to do with hindus as our founder Jinaah said The Moslem has nothing in common with the Hindu except his slavery to the British


Another retarded comment but i expect nothing else from you :agree:


Sanskrit (संस्कृतम् saṃskṛtam [sə̃skɹ̩t̪əm], originally संस्कृता वाक् saṃskṛtā vāk, "refined speech"), is a historical Indo-Aryan language and the primary liturgical language of Hinduism and Buddhism.


The aryans moved from central asia not pakistan so your claim on sanskrit is total rubbish


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXGbYs6XYV8
 
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Another retarded comment but i expect nothing else from you :agree:


Sanskrit (संस्कृतम् saṃskṛtam [sə̃skɹ̩t̪əm], originally संस्कृता वाक् saṃskṛtā vāk, "refined speech"), is a historical Indo-Aryan language and the primary liturgical language of Hinduism and Buddhism.


The aryans moved from central asia not pakistan so your claim on sanskrit is total rubbish

Sanskrit originated in sapta sindhwa now known as pakistan, one of the giants of sanskrit was panini form 6th century bc from pakhtunkhwa, of course you dont know anything what i said

Let me say final time
You people are not aryans, Yo are only speakers of aryans language that doesn't makes you aryan,

Pushtun,Tajik, few Kashmiri are the original aryans, Stop speaking our language and revert to your old roots
 
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IN THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT SEMETIC PEOPLE IN SUBCONTINENT....No sir...its only the pushtuns of afghanistan and Pakistan...this research is on 3-4 parts on youtube which i posted on page 3..its a research done by an american jewish guy...who was looking for potential semetic people....in search of their future messiah....aramaic language stones can still be found in afghanistan and north west pak (espeacialy mardan mentioned in the video)..
...the other group is in india in the north east...in the last decade few hundred of them migrated to Israel....the documentry for this is too posted on page 3.

AM SORRY THIS IS A BIT OFFTOPIC JUST FOR 'NALWA' AM POSTING THEM AGAIN

JUST FOR YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THIS RESEARCH
Part 1
YouTube - Pashtun Taliban, the descendants of the Jews Part 1

AND THE NORTH EAST INDIAN PEOPLE I WAS TALKING ABOUT

YouTube - Israel's lost tribe in India - Mizoram Jews, a special report
 
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Another retarded comment but i expect nothing else from you :agree:


Sanskrit (संस्कृतम् saṃskṛtam [sə̃skɹ̩t̪əm], originally संस्कृता वाक् saṃskṛtā vāk, "refined speech"), is a historical Indo-Aryan language and the primary liturgical language of Hinduism and Buddhism.


The aryans moved from central asia not pakistan so your claim on sanskrit is total rubbish


YouTube - Origin of Sanskrit

Did aryans jump straight from central asia direct to bharat, they first came sapta sindhwa and after few centuries few migrated to ganga valley
 
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Sanskrit originated in sapta sindhwa now known as pakistan, one of the giants of sanskrit was panini form 6th century bc from pakhtunkhwa, of course you dont know anything what i said

Let me say final time
You people are not aryans, Yo are only speakers of aryans language that doesn't makes you aryan,

Pushtun,Tajik, few Kashmiri are the original aryans, Stop speaking our language and revert to your old roots


Either provide some sources or quit speaking out your non-aryan wannabe backside



your a retard you speak out yr *** what is my people u dont even know me :lol: you wish your aryan but your nothing :agree:


Lohanas (Persian: لامياحاءأنأ, Gujarati: લોહાણા Sindhi: لوها ڻا Hindi: लोहाना) or 'Master of Swords' are an Indo-Aryan ethnic group and are a Ranghuvanshi Kshatriya[4][dubious – discuss].In India, they mainly reside in Gujarat, Mumbai and other parts of the country. They have also spread to all parts of the world.


Now go grow a brain b4 speaking nxt time
 
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Either provide some sources or quit speaking out your non-aryan wannabe backside



your a retard you speak out yr *** what is my people u dont even know me :lol: you wish your aryan but your nothing :agree:

You are worthless to have a discussion with, a typical bharti reflecting his family background who wet their pants after facing pakistani face to face, but i will still reply your comment written by your own bharti writer

Aryans lived in the land of Sapta Sindhava now knows as pakistan or the land of the seven rivers, which included indus, The land witnessed composition of most ancient hyms of aryan race and its civilization



Written by bharati writer not some biased western


Read all about it here Indian Civilization and Culture - Google Books
 
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