IS PAKISTAN INTERESTED IN THE TURKISH TFX

[cabatli_53]

Hello cabatli.
Can I ask you what your assesment is regarding the long term procurement of f35 by the Turkish Air force and how this is going to be effected by the TFX if at all?
Also in the growing unease between the US and Turkey do you see the Turkish acquisition of F35 going through or there being some problems?
Your insight will be appreciated.
REGARDS
A

Bro,

TF-X is to replace the F-16's and TF-X will be used for the requirements met by current F-16's. (Air superiority fighter)
F-35 is to replace aged F-4 fleet of TurAF and will be used for the requirements met by current F-4 2020 (Bombardment)

Growing tension always affect the military acquisitions to be done with USA. It depends on How forward the governments will proceed to obstinate with each-others. Before coup attempt, USA and Turkey relations were not satisfactory level as well. You know USA is actively supplying to a terrorist organization called PYD which has deep ties with PKK, Although Turkey warned many times. The anti-tank/aircraft weapons supplied by our allies, hit our tanks and helicopters in S. East. There are many PYD members inside of PKK which is identified by our forces while collecting the dead bodies but Being inside of same club called NATO and having many collaborations/cooperations/technical issues/payments/bases with USA firms/officials, The Putting all cooperation aside is almost impossible. In that circumstances, Governments always try to give some diplomatic reactions at such incidents, While proceeding the trade relations not to harm economical ties so F-35 project will also proceed that way and Turkey will receive the fighters at the beginning of 2019 as promised. Contrary situation results serious consequences to both side.

 

[Paksanity]

Bro,

TF-X is to replace the F-16's and TF-X will be used for the requirements met by current F-16's. (Air superiority fighter)
F-35 is to replace aged F-4 fleet of TurAF and will be used for the requirements met by current F-4 2020 (Bombardment)

Growing tension always affect the military acquisitions to be done with USA. It depends on How forward the governments will proceed to obstinate with each-others. Before coup attempt, USA and Turkey relations were not satisfactory level as well. You know USA is actively supplying to a terrorist organization called PYD which has deep ties with PKK, Although Turkey warned many times. The anti-tank/aircraft weapons supplied by our allies, hit our tanks and helicopters in S. East. There are many PYD members inside of PKK which is identified by our forces while collecting the dead bodies but Being inside of same club called NATO and having many collaborations/cooperations/technical issues/payments/bases with USA firms/officials, The Putting all cooperation aside is almost impossible. In that circumstances, Governments always try to give some diplomatic reactions at such incidents, While proceeding the trade relations not to harm economical ties so F-35 project will also proceed that way and Turkey will receive the fighters at the beginning of 2019 as promised. Contrary situation results serious consequences to both side.

How far, in your opinion, Europeans will go in defence collaboration with Turkey against US wishes? Will they be able to resist US pressure if it comes to that? As I understand, Europeans are to play an important role in the development of TFX especially engine.

 

[SBD-3]

TFX, well looking at the progress of JSF,PAK-FA and J-20 programs, I'd rather say good luck to Turkey. All these countries have long and proven experience of aircraft manufacturing. I'd rather say Turkish friends should save their money and focus on increased localization of JSF. For Air superiority next gen, they might have a look at F-15SE with ToPT.

 

[cabatli_53]

According to source:

*Pakistan Navy fleet tanker ship designed by STM launched on sea and STM company achieved great efforts and satisfied Pakistani officials so Second deal is also given to STM.

*Second contract: Agosta class submarine modernization (1 certain, 2 option) worth 300 million $

*After those deals, The cooperation between Pakistan and Turkey will be accelerated more. The T-129 Atak deal and Milgem Corvette agreement will follow.

*According to source, Pakistan wants to be a part of TF-X fighter project as well.

http://www.kokpit.aero/turkiye-tarihinde-bir-ilk

 

[Tipu7]

Well

@Quwa @Windjammer @cabatli_53

 

[Lone Ranger]

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@Quwa @Windjammer @cabatli_53

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Translation?

 

[Tipu7]

Translation?

Requesting any Turkish friend for word to word translation.....

Turkish Defense Industry Counselor (Ismail Demir) is claiming that both Pakistan & Turkey will jointly produce TFX ..... this is as far as I know

 

[cabatli_53]

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@Quwa @Windjammer @cabatli_53

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Under secretariat of Turkish defense industry, İsmail Demir: Turkey's domestic fighter project is opened to brother state Pakistan and We are really happy to receive positive feed backs from Pakistani officials. In following years, We may see (Turkey&Pakistan) co-production fighter jets flying on sky.

BTW, SSM and TAI have signed main contractor agreement in recent week. After failed "Western" backed terrorist coup attempt in Turkey, The Turkish officials agreed to accelerate a couple of strategic defense project including TF-X and the first prototype is planned to be revealed before 2023.

 

[XILLAX]

What can Pakistan contributing for the TFX ?? Only cash !

 

[Tipu7]

Experience of developing fighter aircraft.

What can Pakistan contributing for the TFX ?? Only cash !

 

[Quwa]

What can Pakistan contributing for the TFX ?? Only cash !

Scale. Development is costly, but the more units you produce - i.e. via exports and partners - the lower your unit cost in the long-term. It isn't a fancy contribution, but it helps in that it'll enable TAI and other Turkish companies to have a better chance at breaking even. If and when they do, then you can more readily engage in other development projects. Alternatively, Pakistan might end up being a source for cheaper manufacturing in some areas.

 

[Hell hound]

According to source, Pakistan wants to be a part of TF-X fighter project as well.

if britons are involved we should too. we will never get the chance like this again.best thing about tfx will be that it will be westren but still be out of clutches of american sanctions .

Under secretariat of Turkish defense industry, İsmail Demir: Turkey's domestic fighter project is opened to brother state Pakistan and We are really happy to receive positive feed backs from Pakistani officials. In following years, We may see (Turkey&Pakistan) co-production fighter jets flying on sky.

BTW, SSM and TAI have signed main contractor agreement in recent week. After failed "Western" backed terrorist coup attempt in Turkey, The Turkish officials agreed to accelerate a couple of strategic defense project including TF-X and the first prototype is planned to be revealed before 2023.

(assume the second flag to be turkish one)

 

[Tajdar adil]

Well Pakistan need to join that kind of joint programs with China and Turkey it will really improve our strength

 

[Syed Hussain]

Beating drums over something that is still in "papers" and ignoring something already in the air for four years, always attracted by "door k dhol"

 

[Hassan Guy]

We should probably produce our own...