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Is Pakistan Better Off Industrially (and More Diverse in Industrial Production) Compared to Bangladesh?

Here is a compressor tank being made in Pakistan (500 liters 8bar pressure). Granulated flux applied from a hopper on to a wirefeed MiG-like welding process. In Bangladesh we will run to India the first chance we get, if we need something like this.

Bilal bhi, I will not buy a Compressor made by some local workshop. Quality & safety is a huge factor.

The least said about 'porshi desher maal' the better. I can guarantee you that there is no proper qc protocol & safety of the finished product fall under a huge question mark.
 
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Bilal bhi, I will not buy a Compressor made by some local workshop. Quality & safety is a huge factor.

The least said about 'porshi desher maal' the better. I can guarantee you that there is no proper qc protocol & safety of the finished product fall under a huge question mark.

Agreed. Even China has better and worse quality product, some are made like this in China too, caveat emptor. But many folks in Dholaikhal or such don't have a choice. They will import and make such unsafe things. It is govts. job to watch for safety regulations.

I bet they have safety inspectors in Dholaikhal and Jinjira too, whose only job possibly is to go collect bribes every few months (and pass the proceeds up the totem pole and chain of command).

For normal driving of pneumatic automotive equipment (such as impact drivers, pneumatic hammers etc.) and pressure up to maybe 100~120 PSI pressure, these tanks (if tested properly prior to installation and operation) are fine. That is the majority of the uses anyway, in an automotive workshop setting.

For welding gases and medical gases use (pressures going up to 2000 PSI or so), higher safety regs are necessary.

In the US it is the OSHA that regulates compressors and pressurized equipment and even tests them for safety.


I am not pushing anyone to buy a sub-standard or unsafe product made anywhere.

The point was to show the resourcefulness and the overall capability to make simple items in simple roadside shops.
 
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Here is a compressor tank being made in Pakistan (500 liters 8bar pressure). Granulated flux applied from a hopper on to a wirefeed MiG-like welding process. In Bangladesh we will run to India the first chance we get, if we need something like this.

Only thing that I have a problem is with this is these are gas cylinders made in factories that does not have QC, I will not be too confident to use these, ok with other stuff though
 
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Only thing that I have a problem is with this is these are gas cylinders made in factories that does not have QC, I will not be too confident to use these, ok with other stuff though

Yeah I concur. However I am sure that Bangladeshi labor cannot even reach this level of ingenuity.

Look at the previous video where they are making excavator buckets from ship-breaking scrap plates.

I mean how much money could be saved by making excavator parts like these, saving foreign exchange? HUGE.

And we have no shortage of Ship plates, of every thickness and quality imaginable. Right now, they are only used to be melt down and be made into re-bars in steel re-rolling mills.

Every Bangladeshi bridge project and even dredging projects uses floating excavators. In Mega Projects they are using large ones, dozens of them.

Excavator buckets in Bangladesh are used for soft soil, the QC needed would be minimal. These Pakistani type ones would be fine.

I mean people should get off their high horses and get this stuff DONE instead of looking toward India all the time.

You can always bring in safe working practices, fancy steel-toe boots and hearing/breathing protection but all that does is push up production costs.

These Pakistani guys know what they are doing and they get it DONE.
 
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where is quality in cookers sir ? its just tuka work if you check with precise measures no two cookers will be same size in all these cookers . its low quality work .
Aap na khareedo phir. At least they are doing much better than posting crap on PDF
 
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where is quality in cookers sir ? its just tuka work if you check with precise measures no two cookers will be same size in all these cookers . its low quality work .
At least they are making them locally. I am sure these cost less than any imported cookware meaning people who cannot afford imported ones can buy these and therefore raise their standard of living. The country also saves forex through import substitutes besides creating jobs.
 
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Aap na khareedo phir. At least they are doing much better than posting crap on PDF

Well I doubt if cooker sizes/dimensions by precise millimeters will matter.

The only requirement is that when pressure increases, the lid doesn't release and fly off, painting the kitchen ceiling with soup.

Or worse, injure somebody.

I am sure that is taken care of with the hermetic rubber seals, lid locks and pressure release valves.

It is usually untrained users who are the weak link.

At least they are making them locally. I am sure these cost less than any imported cookware meaning people who cannot afford imported ones can buy these and therefore raise their standard of living. The country also saves forex through import substitutes besides creating jobs.

Notice they are melting aluminum ingots/plates from scratch and reducing gauge in rollers before using hydraulic drawing to bowl shape and polishing etc. The amount of value addition is maximum possible. Cost will automatically be lowest - lower than anything imported of course.
 
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With respect to everyone, I do not count small scale cottage industries be it in BD or pakistan be a indicator for industrializations, reason being they lack efficiency, scalability.

Industrialisation would require mass production capacity, operational efficiency. For example some chienese products maybe lower in quality but because of production capacity, economic of scale they can produce 100 to 1000 times more thus price offered is lower. The cottage industries are dependent on some skilled workers who are the assets and are not replicable and in short supply, Industries cant rely on handsful of skilled workers it needs semiskilled workers to get trained quickly and be a part of production line where he/she becomes an expert on slowly.

It needs huge investment of machinary and labours that can be skilled up within 3 to 6 months. Innovation has to come from r & d who will map out process to reduce cost and maximise efficiently.

I can see the videos of skilled craftsmen here but not seeing any Production line, majority doing start to finish. A new worker would need years of experience to be in that level thus the production cant be increased that easily.
 
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These guys do an especially nice job. The motors and housings are very, very well made and IMHO will last for a long time, if not forever. Pakistani fans are known to be heavy duty and long-lasting in Bangladesh, both ceiling and pedestal varieties.
 
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With respect to everyone, I do not count small scale cottage industries be it in BD or pakistan be a indicator for industrializations, reason being they lack efficiency, scalability.

Industrialisation would require mass production capacity, operational efficiency. For example some chienese products maybe lower in quality but because of production capacity, economic of scale they can produce 100 to 1000 times more thus price offered is lower. The cottage industries are dependent on some skilled workers who are the assets and are not replicable and in short supply, Industries cant rely on handsful of skilled workers it needs semiskilled workers to get trained quickly and be a part of production line where he/she becomes an expert on slowly.

It needs huge investment of machinary and labours that can be skilled up within 3 to 6 months. Innovation has to come from r & d who will map out process to reduce cost and maximise efficiently.

I can see the videos of skilled craftsmen here but not seeing any Production line, majority doing start to finish. A new worker would need years of experience to be in that level thus the production cant be increased that easily.

You mention good points but mass production and cottage production are two different items and cater to different markets. former for export products and latter for local consumption. Apples and oranges.

I don't think you can compare the two because they have two very different pre-requisites and circumstances as well.

Former (mass production) has efficiency and economies of scale advantages (resulting in low cost products as you mention) but requires massive automation and of course, requisite investments, amounting to tens of millions of dollars, sometimes magnitudes more. Which means loans and bank financing which is hard to obtain in some situations.

The latter (cottage production) is not all that efficient however you start with minimal non-automated equipment. Sometimes just a pair of tin-snips and a hammer. Investments needed are minimal and you add equipment as you slowly make profit, re-investing into the business over years. I don't agree that their products is any more expensive, though lower quality it might be. in fact in taka terms, the price may be even lower than mass production items.

The neat thing is - one does not need formal training operating machinery for cottage production (CNC training etc.) which is hard to come by (especially in a country like ours, or Pakistan). One can apprentice into it, starting in the teen years. "Kaj shekha" is the main goal.

Most of the informal machine shop outfits in Dholaikhal and Jinjira in Dhaka were formed this way and if you replicate them all over Bangladesh, they will themselves form the "centers of excellence" as needed. The apparel industry certainly has.

If you have ten thousand machine shops making motorcycle parts, one thousand will be capable of producing superb above average parts, one hundred will be able to pass ISO 9001 QC maintenance standards, and will be candidates for getting investments from angel investors locally.

The point is - that while these Dholaikhal and Jinjira people need QC training from the govt. that is no longer a need in most of Pakistan. Their better shops do produce better quality products, but they did not get there in one day. It took decades upon decades of building up a skills repository, none of which we have - especially in parts making.

Pakistani shops in the Sialkot to Lahore corridor can produce locally used items profitably enough. Their quality, while sometimes less than world class is good enough to sell locally at an acceptable price. Not everything needs to be exported. Substituting imports is often good enough.

They don't need "Elahi Karbar" investments from Honda and Kawasaki because they can sell what they make locally at low rates of production, and they don't need to make huge profits because their overhead is insanely low. In fact their industry in that tools and parts sector is so thriving that the backward linkage (lathe machines. drills, grinders, shapers and all types of machine tools of many types) are all made locally. And are above average quality as well.

Their country is not beholden to price gouging by Indian Banyas.

Lest you think cottage industry did not belong to industrialized countries, I can say that of all the now industrialized countries I have visited (especially in Asia) such as Japan, China, Korea and Taiwan, all had (and even now have) cottage industries.

I have been to these countries and visited their cottage industries in a bid to learn more. Their circumstances (except Japan which had apparel and shoe industries in 1899 timeframe) was no better than ours thirty years or so ago.

All Asian tiger economies started from labor-intensive industries making apparel, toys, shoes and useless knickknacks for export just like us in Bangladesh. Capital-intensive industries came much, much later.

It is possible to industrialize Bangladesh (and easier to do so) by providing easy loans to small shop owners.

A thousand motorcycle parts makers working from small resilient shops can be the basis of a local motorcycle industry. That is how Japan developed in the turn of the last century. In fact their start was even more humble. Their workshops were their homes. They used these urban workshops to produce even guns, bullets and parts for every weapon imaginable. Starting circa 1920's-30's.
 
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