Is Pakistan Better Off Industrially (and More Diverse in Industrial Production) Compared to Bangladesh?

[xyxmt]

Pakistan makes her own Fighters, Missiles, Tanks, Subs etc. What does Bangladesh make?

they make compressors

So now they got one company called Walton and they start thinking the entire BD industry is Walton and suddenly no one in BD works the old fashion way as he is showing Videos of Pakistanis making products by hand as if there is no company doing automation in Pakistan and its only Walton who invented automation.

 

[Paul2]

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How come Vietnam is lower than Bangladesh?

They're considerably higher up the manufacturing value chain than us. Their exports of Samsung smartphones alone are much higher than our total exports as a country.
[/QUOTE]Because they don't have much other than that Samsung factory.

Vietnam's total manufacturing output was less than that of a single district of Dongguan few years ago.

If BD had at least jute, and clothing, Vietnam had pretty much nothing besides fish sauce (which was their biggest export product for a long time, alongside with rice.)

In ranks of industrial wastelands, both Bangladesh, and Pakistan are by far not the worst historically.

I have watched vlogs taken by some Chinese female employees in Chinese companies in Bangladesh. There are so many female employees in the textile industry same as Shenzhen 40 years ago. Chinese women and Bangladeshi female employees get along very well.

Want to share a link?

 

[Paul2]

I don't believe Samsung produces or sells cellphones in China, which explains that. I believe the cellphone manufacturing investment in Vietnam was made by Samsung itself, not Vietnamese partner. Their cost of labor is low enough - but of course not lower than Bangladesh.

Samsung is bringing in 100% of parts itself. It is probably the only company in the world which can do so. Samsung alone is like a whole industrial complex of a mid-sized developed country.

Vietnam has by far higher level of basic level educational attainment, literacy, and basic technical education. All the advantages end with that though.

Maybe another is that they are an another Confucianistic culture, where people obediently take abuse, and just don't complain.

 

[Bilal9]

Samsung is bringing in 100% of parts itself. It is probably the only company in the world which can do so. Samsung alone is like a whole industrial complex of a mid-sized developed country.

Vietnam has by far higher level of basic level educational attainment, literacy, and basic technical education. All the advantages end with that though.

Maybe another is that they are an another Confucianistic culture, where people obediently take abuse, and just don't complain.

You are right. I have had close Chinese and Vietnamese friends in the US - whom I have known for quite a while now. I am aware of Vietnamese food, festivities and cultural traditions. I have been invited to Vietnamese New year festival celebrations almost every year and have reciprocated the same way.

A lot of the traditions between Vietnam and China are common. Vietnamese Literacy levels are higher than in the subcontinent that is for sure.

However, Vietnam does not have endless supply of labor - their labor rates for apparel are definitely a lot higher than Bangladesh, that is certain. Vietnam's per capita GDP is $7900 while that of Bangladesh is around $2100.

Bangladesh Pharma products have found great success and markets in Vietnam for well over a decade now. The two countries are also looking at establishing a preferential (or even Free) trade agreement, several delegations have paid visits to each other's countries in recent times to negotiate this.

TTWTO VCCI - Vietnam and Bangladesh: Bilateral Trade and Investment

Vietnam Briefing explores the Vietnam – Bangladesh trade relationship and examines key strengths powering both these export-led countries. We further highlight trade between both countries, their growing relations, and how they have benefitted from the US-China trade war.

wtocenter.vn

 

[Bilal9]

These are not MSME products, these from corporate , also these lines are highly automated go figure

I know some of the local importers personally, Cadbury and Britannia people re-stamp expiry dates on imported food products (cookies. malt drinks) that are actually expired.

Some imported consignments from them had to be burnt and destroyed upon this discovery. Indian companies are continually changing local agents and their mal-reputation is well-known. First hand account.

It's just sad - how these Banyas think they can export garbage and trash to Bangladesh and get away with it. They won't even try it in the home market in India. I don't think these companies are intent to build brand reputation in Bangladesh, seeing how callous they are.

This paints all Indian products in a bad light.

In any case, this is a boon for local Bangladeshi mfrs. like RFL-Pran. Their investments in their own snack food lines are probably more automated than Indian ones. being that they are more recent.

RFL-Pran GROUP Documentary 2020

RFL-Pran GROUP Documentary 2021

 

[Indos]

You are right. I have had close Chinese and Vietnamese friends in the US - whom I have known for quite a while now. I am aware of Vietnamese food, festivities and cultural traditions. I have been invited to Vietnamese New year festival celebrations almost every year and have reciprocated the same way.

A lot of the traditions between Vietnam and China are common. Vietnamese Literacy levels are higher than in the subcontinent that is for sure.

However, Vietnam does not have endless supply of labor - their labor rates for apparel are definitely a lot higher than Bangladesh, that is certain. Vietnam's per capita GDP is $7900 while that of Bangladesh is around $2100.

Bangladesh Pharma products have found great success and markets in Vietnam for well over a decade now. The two countries are also looking at establishing a preferential (or even Free) trade agreement, several delegations have paid visits to each other's countries in recent times to negotiate this.

TTWTO VCCI - Vietnam and Bangladesh: Bilateral Trade and Investment

Vietnam Briefing explores the Vietnam – Bangladesh trade relationship and examines key strengths powering both these export-led countries. We further highlight trade between both countries, their growing relations, and how they have benefitted from the US-China trade war.

wtocenter.vn

Vietnam GPD per capita is 2.785 per USD (2020)

vietnam gdp per capita 2020 - Google Search

 

[RPK]

I know some of the local importers personally, Cadbury and Britannia people re-stamp expiry dates on imported food products (cookies. malt drinks) that are actually expired.

Don't say that your country not have food authority. From manufacture side what you say it is not possible. May be the culprit is the importer.

FSSAI

www.fssai.gov.in

 

[Great Janjua]

Pakistan was an emerging industrial state up until the war on terror hit which led to a deep recline in terms of exports and local production of goods. But things now are improving be it on a gradual upward scale.

In short, currently, we are lagging only by a thread.

 

[HRK]

channel: The Mechanic

 

[Bilal9]

they make compressors

So now they got one company called Walton and they start thinking the entire BD industry is Walton and suddenly no one in BD works the old fashion way as he is showing Videos of Pakistanis making products by hand as if there is no company doing automation in Pakistan and its only Walton who invented automation.

You are thinking I wanted to show Pakistan in a bad light.

Thik hai, you post some good videos of Pakistani companies then.

The point of the thread was "diversified cottage industries" and "low overhead grassroots industrialization". I guess you missed that part. In that sense (as well as general industrial diversification) Pakistan is definitely ahead of Bangladesh, and I wanted to see if we could replicate that in Bangladesh, where we don't see a whole bunch of success.

I am aware of Pakistani $100 million dollar investments in auto sector and companies like Dawlance etc. and am first to congratulate any new industrial initiative and project in Pakistan. I have reported on those too, more than some Pakistanis I'd say.

However - those are not the subject of this thread.

Don't say that your country not have food authority. From manufacture side what you say it is not possible. May be the culprit is the importer.

FSSAI

www.fssai.gov.in

Ha ha ha LOL. I KNEW the importer.

He took action before the food authority even knew. His reputation in the market is not something he can play with.

Indian Banyas can do no wrong.

Too many cases like this RPK-ji, too many....

Apparently dhokeybaaj banyas in your country value ill-gotten profit far more than your idealistic naivete....

 

[Bilal9]

Vietnam GPD per capita is 2.785 per USD (2020)

vietnam gdp per capita 2020 - Google Search

Sorry, I guess I was quoting the PPP figure, should have looked up the nominal one.

 

[HRK]

 

[Indos]

You are thinking I wanted to show Pakistan in a bad light.

Thik hai, you post some good videos of Pakistani companies then.

The point of the thread was "diversified cottage industries" and "low overhead grassroots industrialization". I guess you missed that part. In that sense (as well as general industrial diversification) Pakistan is definitely ahead of Bangladesh, and I wanted to see if we could replicate that in Bangladesh, where we don't see a whole bunch of success.

I am aware of Pakistani $100 million dollar investments in auto sector and companies like Dawlance etc. and am first to congratulate any new industrial initiative and project in Pakistan. I have reported on those too, more than some Pakistanis I'd say.

However - those are not the subject of this thread.


Ha ha ha LOL. I KNEW the importer.

He took action before the food authority even knew. His reputation in the market is not something he can play with.

Indian Banyas can do no wrong.

Too many cases like this RPK-ji, too many....

Apparently dhokeybaaj banyas in your country value ill-gotten profit far more than your idealistic naivete....

Basically large amount of Indonesian Manufacturing Output is made by this small scale business. The extensive research on Indonesia manufacturing has been made by Minister of Planning and with the support of World Bank. Extensive report and it also touch high technology industry like aerospace sector.

Not surprising since according to our Finance Minister 60 % of Indonesian GDP comes from micro, small, and medium size companies. We have had economic census several years ago and this is why our Finance ministry can know detail of businesses in Indonesia. Basically I also never work in large companies ( what I mean is working as employee). My business should also be considered as micro level in service industry.

My first office (I am an employee) after I graduated from university is actually in Sudirman CBD ( and I consider it as micro/small business) and many small scale business are there since office building in Jakarta is open to many tenant, big, medium, and small.

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For micro scale manufacturing in Indonesia, we can see many goods are made by them like furniture, customized furniture, retrofit of expensive bed and chairs, customized goods using aluminum and steels, etc

 

[Bilal9]

Basically large amount of Indonesian Manufacturing Output is made by this small scale business. The extensive research on Indonesia manufacturing has been made by Minister of Planning and with the support of World Bank. Extensive report and it also touch high technology industry like aerospace sector.

Not surprising since according to our Finance Minister 60 % of Indonesian GDP comes from micro, small, and medium size companies. We have had economic census several years ago and this is why our Finance ministry can know detail of businesses in Indonesia. Basically I also never work in large companies ( what I mean is working as employee). My business should also be considered as micro level in service industry.

My first office after I graduated from university is actually in Sudirman CBD ( and I consider it as micro/small business) and many small scale business are there since office building in Jakarta is open to many tenant, big, medium, and small.

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For micro scale manufacturing in Indonesia, we can see many goods are made by them like furniture, customized furniture, retrofit of expensive bed and chairs, customized goods using aluminum and steels, etc

Wonderful subject brother - if you want, you can open a separate thread on Indonesian small scale manufacturing with videos on gauging how collaboration with Indonesia in small scale (meaning cottage type) industry can help Bangladesh, Bangladesh had an organization for this for a while but they are not that effective.

Bangladesh Small and Cottage Industries Corporation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I think this sector is the backbone of any industrialized economy. Even in US, the Small Business Administration is very active in providing loans and technical support to small businesses. They have retired technicians that go to businesses to help them out.

Small Business Development Centers (SBDC) | U.S. Small Business Administration

www.sba.gov

BTW Sudirman CBD looks beautiful. Where do people walk and get lunch from? Are the cafeteria's inside the buildings?

 

[Indos]

Wonderful subject bhai - if you want, you can open a separate thread on small scale manufacturing to gauge how collaboration with Indonesia small scale (meaning cottage type) industry can help Bangladesh, Bangladesh had an organization for this for a while.

Bangladesh Small and Cottage Industries Corporation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

IMO micro and small scale business doesnt have any interest to do some cooperation with similar business in other country, only large scale companies are interested in term of JV. Small scale business in service sector may want to do JV as well as business expansion.

What is needed by BD is to have many Vocational School and Micro credit loan. I dont know with BD but in Indonesia our banking system is dominated by SOE banks ( Out of 10 biggest banks in Indonesia, 7 are state owned including the largest, Mandiri Bank, and second largest BRI Bank, while 1 private national bank (BCA) and the rest are foreign owned ). It is easier to do it using SOE banks like Indonesia do with BRI bank that has specialization in micro lending. Even Local government (Province) also has their own banks and managed professionally.

Micro scale and small scale manufacturing cannot compete with large companies, they need to find niche market, and this is what is done by Indonesian micro scale manufacturing. Some example like making customized guitars and shoes.