Is Pakistan Better Off Industrially (and More Diverse in Industrial Production) Compared to Bangladesh?

[Bilal9]

How incompetent your authorities, So imposter is your importer. You can easily ban or put fine on manufactures which not complies for law, without that you are crying here. you talking like Bangladesh is one of the Indian state, not like separate country Lol

I am sorry, instead of looking at facts - looks like you are repeating the same inane thing over and over again like an uneducated bhakt. You refuse to acknowledge that Indian Banyas are profit-mongering people too and insist in "Bharat Mahaan" (no business person in India can do no wrong).

Can't waste time with you and you are now ignored.

 

[HRK]

PVC PIPE Factory there are hundred of other such small factories in different parts of the country and are such a success that now large factories have less market share then these small factories

Welding Machine Making: Personally I have never seen any welder using any imported welding machine

 

[Bilal9]

By the way, is there any factory to produce rice cookers in BD? Let me tell you about a rice cooker that I took with me to BD for use in our parental home in the 1980s. My younger brother was still using it in 2016.

I bought a China-made rice cooker in BD about five years ago and I was thinking to throw it away in the garbage after the use of only two years. The quality is so bad that the boiled rice sticks to the bottom.

I hope BD factories, including Walton, strive to produce quality rice cookers and other kitchen wares in the country. The demands for these items will keep on increasing for many years to come as an ample quantity of electricity will gradually reach every house, rich, middle class, or poor, within a few years.

Almost all Bangladeshi conglomerates assemble or manufacture rice cookers. Even companies as small as HAMKO (who are essentially aluminum non-stick cookware makers) have their own Rice-cooker line. They must, everyone in Bangladesh eats rice with their meal.

However there is quality difference per price. Some higher priced ones have non-stick coating. Other ones sold in Japan and Korea have some kind of stone coating which is even more robust and where rice never gets burnt. Temperature adjustment of the rice cooking process needs to be carefully calibrated and regulated for all rice cookers, cheap or expensive.

China makes a wide variety and different qualities of rice cookers per market requirement, there are thousands of different types. Their expensive stuff is quite good, but they don't sell under name brands in the US that I have seen.

Of course Zojirushi is the best in Japan and some of their expensive models with pressure function sell for around $300-$400, some of my "shoukhin" friends have them. I am happy with my $50 Panasonic model, cooks rice fine.

Zojirushi 5.5-Cup Pressure Induction Heating Rice Cooker & Warmer

This top-of-the-line Zojirushi Pressure Induction Heating Rice Cooker & Warmer uses pressurized cooking and AI (Artificial Intelligence) to cook perfect rice.

www.kohls.com

Korea-made ones ("Cuckoo" brand is one) are almost as expensive as those.

In Bangladesh the best brands are Vision and Walton. Now rice-cooker brands, types and sizes are so many in Bangladesh, it is pointless to import rice cookers from overseas. These things are found even in corner "Mudi Dokan" now and are disposable items. If the price is low enough, you can throw one away in two years and get a new one.

 

[bluesky]

Almost all Bangladeshi conglomerates assemble or manufacture rice cookers. Even companies as small as HAMKO (who are essentially aluminum non-stick cookware makers) have their own Rice-cooker line. They must, everyone in Bangladesh eats rice with their meal.

However there is quality difference per price. Some higher priced ones have non-stick coating. Other ones sold in Japan and Korea have some kind of stone coating which is even more robust and where rice never gets burnt. Temperature adjustment of the rice cooking process needs to be carefully calibrated and regulated for all rice cookers, cheap or expensive.

China makes a wide variety and different qualities of rice cookers per market requirement, there are thousands of different types. Their expensive stuff is quite good, but they don't sell under name brands in the US that I have seen.

Of course Zojirushi is the best in Japan and some of their expensive models with pressure function sell for around $300-$400, some of my "shoukhin" friends have them. I am happy with my $50 Panasonic model, cooks rice fine.

Zojirushi 5.5-Cup Pressure Induction Heating Rice Cooker & Warmer

This top-of-the-line Zojirushi Pressure Induction Heating Rice Cooker & Warmer uses pressurized cooking and AI (Artificial Intelligence) to cook perfect rice.

www.kohls.com

Korea-made ones ("Cuckoo" brand is one) are almost as expensive as those.

In Bangladesh the best brands are Vision and Walton. Now rice-cooker brands, types and sizes are so many in Bangladesh, it is pointless to import rice cookers from overseas. These things are found even in corner "Mudi Dokan" now and are disposable items. If the price is low enough, you can throw one away in two years and get a new one.

Nowadays Japan is flooded with Chinese goods including rice cookers The quality of everything is quite bad.

I am happy to know it is now made in BD. Like Japan, a day will be when every household in BD will use an electric rice cooker, rich or poor.

 

[Bilal9]

Nowadays Japan is flooded with Chinese goods including rice cookers The quality of everything is quite bad.

I am happy to know it is now made in BD. Like Japan, a day will be when every household in BD will use an electric rice cooker, rich or poor.

I have noticed that social media retail sites like Amazon.JP are helpful in Japan in this regard.

People can leave personal opinions on bad products so you can avoid buying them.

I am sure you know this, but I thought I'd mention nonetheless...

 

[Bilal9]

PVC PIPE Factory there are hundred of other such small factories in different parts of the country and are such a success that now large factories have less market share then these small factories

Welding Machine Making: Personally I have never seen any welder using any imported welding machine

Wah very nice!

Perfect application of "appropriate technology" in cottage industry setting.

I also saw this (below), making PE/PVC plastic "oil cans" using low pressure blow molding - the equipment looks like it is all sourced locally, from the chipper/shredder to the PVC/PE blow molder itself. I admit this is manual, but this can be set up in every village in Pakistan or Bangladesh if necessary.

When you make technology this easy to access, that creates an 'economy of scale', all its own and generates revenue for normal people (previously farmers) by making necessary products, which they can supply to lube oil suppliers and even vegetable oil producers.

I am sure the investments are minimal because the basic, reliable equipment is made in Pakistan. These plastic products are usually not profitable to export (because of volume), these are all produced locally.

If this installation is replicated a thousand times, you don't need automatic blow-molding machines or robotics. We in the subcontinent need to be practical and appreciative of "appropriate technology" and how it can generate income for the poor folks.

 

[HRK]

the equipment looks like it is all sourced locally

yes most of the small scale cottage industry in Pakistan rely on Local machinery ..... Gujranwala city is famous for this small scale machinery many vendors from that city provide many turnkey solutions for cottage Industry.

There products are good for local consumption but lack in terms of R&D and technology therefore their contribution is almost non-existence in export market.

Electrical Fan Industry and surgical goods are the only success stories from cottage Industry and in terms of export earnings.

 

[Bilal9]

yes most of the small scale cottage industry in Pakistan rely on Local machinery ..... Gujranwala city is famous for this small scale machinery many vendors from that city provide many turnkey solutions for cottage Industry.

There products are good for local consumption but lack in terms of R&D and technology therefore their contribution is almost non-existence in export market.

Electrical Fan Industry and surgical goods are the only success stories from cottage Industry and in terms of export earnings.

Minimal training in QC/QA could do much needed improvement it seems. The workers certainly seem young and smart though maybe lacking formal higher education. What is needed in Pakistan for export purposes is maybe a QC regulatory agency who will actively lead these efforts, maybe in collaboration with the small business development organization.

Like maybe a Central "center of export excellence" who can guide QC/QA efforts with standards and offer a team of visiting experts to various factories who can then offer help and quality improvement advice and guidance to workshop owners.

But I am sure Pakistanis have thought of this. No need for me as an outsider dispensing unwarranted advice.

Some cottage industries in Bangladesh used to source their basic machinery from Ludhiana in Indian Punjab (cheap lathes and milling machines) which is also a hub of bicycle manufacturing in addition of being a machinery manufacturing hub. Maybe they will now source from Gujranwala.

By the way, Pakistani Heavy Pedestal fans are also reputed for their quality and very popular in Bangladesh for a long time. They have been in Bangladesh for at least a decade, maybe more. Decorators and event organizers buy these for Shaadis and public events outdoors during the summer, and even indoors.

 

[HRK]

What is needed in Pakistan for export purposes is maybe a QC regulatory agency who will actively lead these efforts, maybe in collaboration with the small business development organization.

We have Trade Development Authority-TDA which like any other government institution does not perform any good related to their primary responsibility

Some cottage industries in Bangladesh used to source their basic machinery from Ludhiana in Indian Punjab (cheap lathes and milling machines) which is also a hub of bicycle manufacturing in addition of being a machinery manufacturing hub. Maybe they will now source from Gujranwala.

Different Lathe Machines, Drilling Machines,Grinding Machines, Winding Machines, injection molding, welding machines, powder coating plants, electronic digital measuring equipment for testing, Heavy Press Machine, Heavy Commercial pumps, Small and Medium Cooling Towers, Oil Mills and small scale oil extraction machinery, Electric Motors, many other electrical equipments for household use and for Industrial use and many more engineering good are manufactured and consumed locally.

We have a potential to attain multi billion dollar export by this sector alone only if we focus on these three thing

- QA/QC

- Proper Marketing

- Scale of Production

By the way, Pakistani Heavy Pedestal fans are also reputed for their quality and very popular in Bangladesh for a long time. They have been in Bangladesh for at least a decade, maybe more. Decorators and event organizers buy these for Shaadis and public events outdoors during the summer, and even indoors.

Size of global fan Industry is approximately 15-16 billion $ and our share is less than 1%, even in BD we export approximately $ 6-10 million only and reasons are lack of Marketing and low scale of production which sufficient to meet only domestic demand.

over all Export of electrical Fan I think is less $ 100 million.

 

[bluesky]

I have noticed that social media retail sites like Amazon.JP are helpful in Japan in this regard.

People can leave personal opinions on bad products so you can avoid buying them.

I am sure you know this, but I thought I'd mention nonetheless...

No, no. everyone in Japan has perfect knowledge about the quality of Chinese products. But made-in-Japan products are very highly-priced. It is because the salaries in Japan are very high for the factory workers, and the manufacturers, unlike the Chinese companies, will never bring down the quality of their goods just to earn an extra two paisas.

Well, this is what happens when a national economy gets matured to become a high consumer society be it in Europe or Japan.

But why these shoddy Chinese products are available in Japan? It is because there is a market for these cheaper goods, too, among the University students who live away from their parents, people who move to another town/ city to work for a few months, people/ men who live alone and are bachelors, and poor people like me.

In Japan, people do not complain because they think it is their own doing that they themselves bought cheap Chinese consumer goods. They would just buy new ones.

 

[HRK]

Non Stick Pan pots

Pressure Cooker Making

Wine glass in marble

 

[AViet]

Bangladesh has greater manufacturing output than Pakistan (2018 data)

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Mapped: China's Manufacturing Superpower vs. the World

What’s in store for the world’s largest manufacturing producers?

howmuch.net

And yes @Bilal9 your estimation is right, Pakistan has better complexity than Bangladesh in their manufacturing, but this based on export only


Country & Product Complexity Rankings
Economic development requires the accumulation of productive knowledge and its use in both more and more complex industries. Harvard Growth Lab’s Country Rankings assess the current state of a country’s productive knowledge, through the Economic Complexity Index (ECI). Countries improve their ECI by increasing the number and complexity of the products they successfully export. Use the visualizations below to (1) determine a country’s ECI ranking, (2) assess a country’s change in ECI since 1995 and (3) compare a country’s ranking vis-a-vis other countries. Learn more here.


https://atlas.cid.harvard.edu/rankings

Compared to the Phillipines,Vietnam produces at least 20 times more steel and multiple times more cement. And Vietnam's total export volume is three or four times as much.

And regarding the key input for any kind of production, i.e. electricity, Vietnam's output is 3 or four times that of Phillipines.

(All data from wiki 2020 or 2021).

Bur as per this chart, our manufacturing output is only about two thirds of them. Quite interesting.

 

[Indos]

Compared to the Phillipines,Vietnam produces at least 20 times more steel and multiple times more cement. And Vietnam's total export volume is three or four times as much.

And regarding the key input for any kind of production, i.e. electricity, Vietnam's output is 3 or four times that of Phillipines.

(All data from wiki 2020 or 2021).

Bur as per this chart, our manufacturing output is only about two thirds of them. Quite interesting.

The manufacturing data that they collect is also coming from low value added industries like SME

I dont know on how they collect data, maybe we should tag @Mista as he studies in economics to explain how the data is gotten

 

[Indos]

@AViet

In my opinion they will evaluate through the production of raw material and import of raw material. Export of manufacturing products and the selling of manufacturing product from medium and large companies inside the country is easily seen as it is reported and get value added tax.

The one goes to SME (informal economy/not reported) can be seen on how many of raw material is not absorbed by medium and large companies, then they can calculate it and give some number (calculation on it). Food industries are also part of manufacturing as well

This is for example data of import in Indonesia when it is breakdown are in majority raw material

Indonesia import history chart

In Million USD

Blue Line is Raw Material/Supporting Goods (which is essential for manufacturing industry)

Black Line is capital Goods which is also essential for manufacturing

Red Line is consumer goods

Consumer goods imports is less than 10 percent of Indonesian total imports.

 

[Samurai_assassin]

@Bilal9 Not a business or economic expert however when I visited pakistan in 2019 I saw many housing communities being built in Islamabad and Rawalpindi.