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Hi,
I apologize---but when was that war----IN ANCIENT TIMES---. Today---an air force like israel's or india can totally knock out the enemy within 48 hours.
You may have wonderful fighter pilot training----and upto date equipment---but your country has not fought an 'active' enemy in the last 40 plus years who has twice thrice or four times the number of superior aircraft---AND CAN OVERWHELM AND NEUTRALIZE YOU AT THEIR DISCRETION.
As you don't have to live with that fear---then by default---you may think where you stand---but truthfully that is all speculation.
All you can talk right now is that of the training---blue green yellow and black excercizes with wonderful results---and I don't doubt that---great equipment---great pilots---doing everything right.
You see----you can never be perceptive of our frame of mind---when we have to face an enemy the size of india 24/7---the only other nation that would know our position would be israel---. Well actually the israel of 40's 50's 60's 70's 80's---.
Coming back to the title---it should not have been allowed----there is no sense to it---AIR FORCES ARE EVALUATED AGAINST THEIR OPPONENTS---AGAINST THEIR ENEMIES.
A Fool starts this topic---and 'WE' the fools jump in feet first.
well indian govt knew that it would be counter productive to cross the LOC in 1999
1. it would have given your kashmir cause world attention and sympathy aswell and made india look like agrassors
2. owr job was done as soon as nawaz ran to washington and the events that followed ...lolzzz one of the main reasons why musharraf agreed to be part of WOT against the wishes of his strategick assets and genral publick opinion was to deprive india of getting better say in this matter about countring drones so now its about the will of GOP and its hand in glove with USA ...am i right = so wkere is your khudmukhtari and ghairat gone well war is an ever changing equation had the clergy of constantinople opted for lastet wepons(canons) turks could not ever dreamt of storming it hope you got the point in modern context
as for PAF exploits in 1965 well then USA was backing you fulli with all its latest cutting edge tech and training now we enjoy that + we have both numbers and money to exploit your weaknesses and there is nothing your establishment can do about acept neuking your own land to stop indian agression
any way good luck for future
Ejaz. I respect your attitude that PAF will give as good as its gets and is in your opinion the best trained and skilled and most professional in the muslim world.
But a equally paitriotic Saudi with the world class training and fascilities and equipment has the same argument. AND imo the Turkish being part of Nato and so well equipped and USA trained will be a nitemare foe to hold down..
We have our Reasons and our beliefs for me taking everything into account including whnt your grandfathers did in 1965 0r 1971 i say TODAY WHEN IT MATTERS THE MOST both the Turks & saudis are ahead of PAF overall...They are definitely superior air powers.
PS this does not mean that PAF cannot hold its own against their great rivals Indian Air Force..
It makes no difference if the PAF is better than Israel or Turkey or Saudi or indeed any nation ACCEPT THE INDIANS.
PAF only rival and most important comparison is and will remain the IAF
dil behlane ko galib khyaal achha hai ...lage rahoWhat were your forces doing when the posts were getting captured. Where was your intelligence.
1. Kashmir cause got world attention any way.
2. Nawaz Sharif ran to USA to save your ***. When you failed to kick out freedom fighters you asked USA for using her influence on Pakistan.
3. During 1965 we were under US sanctions.
4. As far as future we are pursuing our line of action and you yours. Lets wait and see who is successful in implementing the plans successfully.
slaam Mastan Saheb its always a privilage to hear what you say SIRGuru,
Kargil has not stopped us from fighting you---. Regardless of what you get and who backs you---we will strike hard and we will strike deep---.
Actually it is not our air force---but it is your air force---what it has not done---that should be the question---. You had every oppurtunity to neutralize us once for all---three time in the last 15 years----3 major incidences----.
Don't ask us what we did----ask yourself what you did not do AND WHY.
Its a pity that this day when you have access to internet and information, you are still parroting what your leaders told you, despite knowing that all the lies they told was just to preserve their martial image.What were your forces doing when the posts were getting captured. Where was your intelligence.
1. Kashmir cause got world attention any way.
2. Nawaz Sharif ran to USA to save your ***. When you failed to kick out freedom fighters you asked USA for using her influence on Pakistan.
3. During 1965 we were under US sanctions.
4. As far as future we are pursuing our line of action and you yours. Lets wait and see who is successful in implementing the plans successfully.
What were your forces doing when the posts were getting captured. Where was your intelligence.
1. Kashmir cause got world attention any way.
2. Nawaz Sharif ran to USA to save your ***. When you failed to kick out freedom fighters you asked USA for using her influence on Pakistan.
3. During 1965 we were under US sanctions.
4. As far as future we are pursuing our line of action and you yours. Lets wait and see who is successful in implementing the plans successfully.
Its a pity that this day when you have access to internet and information, you are still parroting what your leaders told you, despite knowing that all the lies they told was just to preserve their martial image.
Nawaz ran to USA, not Indian PM. Please understand the significance of that. Dont go by what Musharraf has told you. If India were having troubles, then Indian PM would have gone. Try using logic instead of conspiracy theories. Your army was being pushed out one peak after another. It was collapsing for Pakistan.
You are right,Pakistani military, it's leadership, it planning and it's foresight is Unparalleled.... it's all the fault of Indians Ameerekans or russians.... if the conditions were right, if your economy was good, if there weren't sanctions, if zia ul haq was alive.. if pigs could fly then you would subject us to another 1000 yr's of slavery.. you would have captured new-delhi in 65,71, 99 and the subsequently every other year .. just for fun ... right??
You are the analyst. What can I say.
You can't be top with poorly equipped assets. Compared to Saudi's Turks even UAE you guys are not top air power which is what the thread suggests. In 1999 your paf did not turn has your air cheif marshall said you could not face a bvr eqipped iaf who rained laser guided bombs on the nli pak soldiers.....
When paf was last needed they never came
You are right,Pakistani military, it's leadership, it planning and it's foresight is Unparalleled.... it's all the fault of Indians Ameerekans or russians.... if the conditions were right, if your economy was good, if there weren't sanctions, if zia ul haq was alive.. if pigs could fly then you would subject us to another 1000 yr's of slavery.. you would have captured new-delhi in 65,71, 99 and the subsequently every other year .. just for fun ... right??
Would love to see my favourite strike aircraft in PAF....the Su-34!
Taking the role of A5s as nuclear-capable strike aircraft.
what SU-34, bhai dreams should be near to reality, i hope your dream comes true.its a good AC but not all rounder or fit for PAF.