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At least cut relations with Israel. No one is fooled by the theatre show Erdogan is playing, trying to appear Anti-Israel. Israel enjoys a full trade relationship with the Zionist regime in Turkey.
To answer the question of the thread: Yes, absolutely. Erdogan is a rat and the man (well, not only him) that surrended his countrys sovereignty in exchange of a promise from the Americans that Turkey would play role of "Ottoman" in the region. He foolishly took that offer and in the process the opposite happened. Turkey is no longer seen as a country with an independent foreign policy, but a Americanized muslim nation that is not only member of NATO (who have several hundres of thousands of people in the ME) but is also trying it outmost to be a member of EU, and loosing its Turkish identity in the process.
So the opposite has happened of what the Americans promised you. You are not Ottoman. You are a client state (this is clear after your policies in regards to Syria) that no longer enjoys a good influence or relationship with the neighbors.
The sad thing is a significant portion of Turks will see this as me attacking them, and they get very defensive. Erdogan is destroying your state and identity. Its time to wake up.
I remember how Turkey was used when Iraq was invaded.. all the fighters used our ports.. and I remember the Hood Event (Çuval Olayı.. when they were done with us how they insulted our army.. and now we are being used against Syria.. both the thugs are supported and the NATO missiles and US bases here.. I don't know what the west aims.. maybe they plan to divide all the countries in the middle-east to form a so-called Kurdish state (in fact Greater Israel).. Our government is ready to accept a state "solution".. and Iraq also now is ready.. only Syria has been against it.. And I think, we are used again, to destroy Assad govt. and divide Syria for a "Kurdish" state.. and their next target is Iran.. the PJAK and MKO is being supported by the west against Iran and the west already does not consider these terrorist groups as so.. How about PKK? Will we have power to fight them after being used again, will the NATO be there for us? or another hood event will occur? and making excuses of so-called nation or sect states will they help divide Turkey too? So many questions.. I hope the AKP comes to their senses and God forbid we won't be used again totally (a war with our fellow mid-east countries)..
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I'm not sure what exactly you are reffering to by "full trade relationship" but even if the economical relationship with Israel still exists, that doesn't mean we have forgotten what they did. They will either apologize or sooner or later pay the price in some form.
You should pay more attention to Erdogan's stance on Syria issue. He is the one who is pushing West to take action in Syria, not the other way around. His government is the one who constantly push for military intervention in Syria while the West tend to refrain from taking such measures.
Significant portion of Turks will not see you as attacking them, on contrary they will agree with you about your last sentence.
How will they pay the price? Give me a concrete example, if you dont mind.
Thats even worse.
Regardless, Erdogan took this stance on Syria on the promise or idea from America that Turkey would become the Ottoman
That is not the case here. The topic is, to what extent Turkey's foreign policy is being shaped by the West. On contrary what you think, when it comes to Syria, Turkey is the one who is shaping the policy of the West, not the other way around.
I dont agree with that. The West has a very large stake in breaking up Syria. Because there have been several attempts at steering Syria away from the resistance axis, but failed.
Countries like Qatar and KSA do not act alone. I very much believe America has mediated behind the table and given them the green light to fund FSA. But now Im only talking about the American role in this.
Turkey is different. Its not a puppet like those GCC regimes. Ok, so if we say America did not influence Turkey
In that case Turkey saw the opposition as an opportunity to extend its influence. But I think it made a wrong move by CHOOSING a side, sheltering and giving support to that side, instead of being a mediator in negotiations.
Turkey and West clearly has the same goal about Syria. When i said Turkey is the one who is shaping West's policy, i meant AKP government has a more hasty approach and want to get rid off Assad as soon as possible with military intervention if needed, while West takes it easy and waiting for FSA to handle it in the long run.
There is no country on earth which is immune to US influence mate, including Iran. But there is a difference between getting influenced and being a puppet.
Agreed.
I see you and Musa exaggerate this factor that made Turkey stand with Syrians, notting that oil can be transferred to EU by sea BTW. Turkey has deep historical, economic, and geographical ties with Syrians and it can't just ignore the carnage next to it's doors as it's a big country that has obligations toward the world and regional countries such as GCC, EU and Arab world in general. PLS, Erdogan wants to be seen as a hero in Turkey, Islamic and Arab world by supporting bereaved Syrians. Furthermore, he is a leader with high ethics and morals, so he won't just ignore the uprising in a neighboring country, not to forget that Syrian uprising is an excellent chance to spread the influence of Turkey in the region which he has been working on for years.4- Syria is under pressure because KSA and Turkey needs to have a land route that they can transfer CBF (Carbon-based fuel) to EU and decrease its energy dependence on Russia.
Iranian oil sailing from Syrian ports to Europe would be dangerous for Turkey, energy prices here would increase dramatically and economoc growth would slow. Turkey needs a Syria hostile to Iran.I see you and Musa exaggerate this factor that made Turkey stand with Syrians, notting that oil can be transferred to EU by sea BTW. Turkey has deep historical, economic, and geographical ties with Syrians and it can't just ignore the carnage next to it's doors as it's a big country that has obligations toward the world and regional countries such as GCC, EU and Arab world in general. PLS, Erdogan wants to be seen as a hero in Turkey, Islamic and Arab world by supporting bereaved Syrians. Furthermore, he is a leader with high ethics and morals, so he won't just ignore the uprising in a neighboring country, not to forget that Syrian uprising is an excellent chance to spread the influence of Turkey in the region which he has been working on for years.
1- Turkey refused US request to use Turkish land for Iraqi invasion, thats why Turkish US relationships were strained during Bush era. Hence the hood incident.
2- US public and decision makers actually don't want to interfere in Syria, it is Turkey, KSA and EU that pushes US into Syrian civil war against their dictator.
3- Greater Israel thing is a muslim conspiracy theory, nothing more nothing less. Kurdish state will be created, I don't know if they can menage to take land from Turkey or Iran as they are pretty strong and old states but its creation is inevitable.
4- Syria is under pressure because KSA and Turkey needs to have a land route that they can transfer CBF (Carbon-based fuel) to EU and decrease its energy dependence on Russia.
5- Iran was one of the biggest supporters of PKK and always had its spies in it. After Turkey's stance on Syria they propably support them again via Syria if not openly by themselves.
6- PKK is not a threat that can harm Turkey, it is the mindset of Kurds that can harm Turkey. Turkey's fear isn't about the foreign supported PKK but PKK's influence among Kurds which will be decreased if Kurds think that PKK is being used by ''West''. Btw, if Turkish army, one of the most powerful and professional armies in the world can't defeat few thausand terrorists then it wouldn't be in NATO and NATO isn't there to fight against internal threats, NATO's fight against internal threats would damage any members sovereignty it is there to fight against external threats.
7- I think by nation and sect states you mean, KSA (I am sure about this) and Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan is our second home, KSA and Turkey has ties that cannot be broken that easily. No need for your concern.
8- No need to pray for anything, public is against a war.
9- You are propably a false-flag so we don't really care much about your thoughts on Turkey. (My opinion as a member not as a mod. You can come to me with anything if you need something.)
Turkey should do what benefits her,but all the whining from AKP about 'Syrian lives' and democracy in Syria is just a joke to be honest.Your post just admitted it.Turkey is one of the very few countries who 'chose' one side of the fight and insists on overthrowing Assad.Even Iran, closest ally of Assad,is demanding dialogue between both sides including the true opposition of Syria and the both sides to put down arms.Even U.S and EU were more cautious regarding Syria. Erdogan did a terrible mistake since he thought Assad is going within 'months' 2 years has past and nothing happened,and you are still doing the same thing, sending rebels to Syria, which is causing even more destruction and death and achieved nothing after 2 years.Iranian oil sailing from Syrian ports to Europe would be dangerous for Turkey, energy prices here would increase dramatically and economic growth would slow. Turkey needs a Syria hostile to Iran.