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Without a doubt he almost surrendered kashmir
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Don't you dare.... They've sacrificed everything they had. What more do you want?
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What a completely ignorant and mindless post.
And some fools even rated this post thanks. Ignorance really has no limits....
Musharf did tried to get in, to the kargil rightly, cause any negociations only happens when ur enemy thinks u r so powerfull tht u can take it by hook and crook, and Thts why vajpai agreed on a solution in kashmir which was to let kashmir a independent state with out any army, pak would be doing the same by pulling out thier troops bt tht all was rattled by Nawaz Sharif when he went begging to Clinton to stop musharf in kargil war and Thts why Nawaz has good relations with modi Jee, under Nawaz Sharif pak didn't had a foreign minster so no hurdle can come for india???
Let's point out a spade?
Yea we lost dam chancesHi,
After Kargil---pakistan and india agreed to settle the issue between themselves---.
But the information leaked out---. The saudi ambassador found out---he got the americans involved---once the americans got involved---the indians changed their mind.
Stop this man. You are making it worse.I was not talking about the sad loss of life , I did write about two lost strategic opportunities, which could have saved a lot of lives, don't be emotional, think rational, you are showing me a picture of a death Kashmiri, to prove what? I can show you every day an image of shaheed Pakistani!
And you are incompetent to read and learn from your very own history, to learn from failures, to accept failures and to build on that a ration thinking, which lead to new strategies and solutions, which can save a lot of Muslim lives!
Stop this man. You are making it worse.
You know nothing about me or what I am competent of.I was not talking about the sad loss of life , I did write about two lost strategic opportunities, which could have saved a lot of lives, don't be emotional, think rational, you are showing me a picture of a death Kashmiri, to prove what? I can show you every day an image of shaheed Pakistani!
And you are incompetent to read and learn from your very own history, to learn from failures, to accept failures and to build on that a ration thinking, which lead to new strategies and solutions, which can save a lot of Muslim lives!
Yes and coming back to the "thank rates", I don't need that, these rates just show that there are many Pakistanis to make a change, learn from the past and try to change the future, thank you guys, good luck.
Pakistan has lost 1971 war & 90,000 Pakistani POWs had been rotting in Indian jails for more than 6 months. ZAB had no bargaining chips or leverage hence he was negotiating from a very weak position. Indira Gandhi was insisting that Pakistan recognize IOK as undisputed Indian territory. IMHO he did a very good job and managed to bring Pakistani POWs home by only agreeing to the above. The real culprit is the GOP policies of 25 years that gave the impression to the Bengalis that West Pakistanis considered East Pakistan as their colony.
However, everyone is free to have their own opinion, just keep in mind that RSS (parent organization of the BJP) killed Mahatma Gandhi because he was too soft on the Muslims. Also, BJP had won only 2 Lok Sabha Seats in 1984, but after the famous Advani ‘Ratra’ following the Babri Mosque Affair’ of 1992; it won a landslide victory in 1996 elections. BJP, therefore, is essentially a ‘Hindutva’ party and can only win playing the anti-Muslim & with anti-Pakistan rhetoric.
If Bhutto would have accepted the elections and political defeat then Bangladesh would have formed slowly and without military defeat and humiliation as there was no military solution to East Pakistan. Yahya almost begged him to have a political solution. But Bhutto did not want to kill his political career and let military fight a lost war. He could have saved the humiliation but he changed the political process into military defeat and came out almost a hero and a saviour of West Pakistan and Army. Reality is opposite but some will never see it this way.Hon sir,
You can blame Musharraf all you want, but the reason India gives for not accepting mediation is because in the Shimla Agreement of July 02, 1972 signed by Prime Minister Indira Gandhi and President Zulfikar Ali Bhutto of Pakistan it was agreed that:
“ That the two countries are resolved to settle their differences by peaceful means through bilateral negotiations or by any other peaceful means mutually agreed upon between them. Pending the final settlement of any of the problems between the two countries, neither side shall unilaterally alter the situation and both shall prevent the organization, assistance or encouragement of any acts detrimental to the maintenance of peaceful and harmonious relations”.
Full text: https://peacemaker.un.org/sites/peacemaker.un.org/files/IN PK_720702_Simla Agreement.pdf
India claims that this agreement supersedes the UN resolutions and hence excludes all third party mediation.
Was Bhutto to blame? Certainly not.
Pakistan has lost 1971 war & 90,000 Pakistani POWs had been rotting in Indian jails for more than 6 months. ZAB had no bargaining chips or leverage hence he was negotiating from a very weak position. Indira Gandhi was insisting that Pakistan recognize IOK as undisputed Indian territory. IMHO he did a very good job and managed to bring Pakistani POWs home by only agreeing to the above. The real culprit is the GOP policies of 25 years that gave the impression to the Bengalis that West Pakistanis considered East Pakistan as their colony.
However, everyone is free to have their own opinion, just keep in mind that RSS (parent organization of the BJP) killed Mahatma Gandhi because he was too soft on the Muslims. Also, BJP had won only 2 Lok Sabha Seats in 1984, but after the famous Advani ‘Ratra’ following the Babri Mosque Affair’ of 1992; it won a landslide victory in 1996 elections. BJP, therefore, is essentially a ‘Hindutva’ party and can only win playing the anti-Muslim & with anti-Pakistan rhetoric.
Many from their Kashmir, don't even consider our Kashmiris as true Kashmiris since most of our Kashmiri culture and language is closer to Punjabi than theirs.
That was my point.That said, these groups have an equal say and stake in the Kashmir issue, whether ethnic Kashmiris like it or not.
Musharaf had not done PSO course which is kind of mandatory for army chief. PSO(Principle Staff Officer)Yahya’s reputation as a drunk and womaniser did not help and it was a pity that someone like him and Musharaf rose to the ranks of CinC of the Army. Army needs to look into the promotions system deeply.
One can"t claim the territory but reject certain ethnicities living within the geographical boundaries of that region.
Those cowards who surrendered with smiling faces should have been let to rot in the indian jails for the rest of their pathetic lives, there was no need to repatriate them to Pakistan and do a stupid shimla agreement in exchange of those pathetic 90,000 losers.