Is it worth it to build Shivaji Statue in India?

[Stephen Cohen]

1. You do not have any distant idea what Maratha's (savior of Hinduism according to you) did to Bengal.
2. And it was a Bengali who, before any one else (let alone Maharashtrians) made the first authenticate research on Shivaji. Also in this cosmopolitan age, all these talks of regional exclusivity sounds moronic to me.

Yes I know about the Bargis attacks on Bengal

But that time Bengal was anyway ruled by Nawabs

The larger point is that of sovereignity which Bengal surrendered a long time ago

First to the Islamists and then to the British

Why did British enter India from Bengal ; ever wondered

Here in Maharashtra ; we believe this statue should have been built much earlier

The Patel statue in Gujarat finally pushed this venture

All the Criticism of this statue is coming from Outside Maharashtra

Maharashtra being India's Richest state can finance this statue

This wont affect our development

The communist rule has made Bengalis loose all their sense of pride

They -- ie Jyoti Babu and company had criticised even the Nuclear Tests in 1998

And do you remember Bengal CPM's role in 1962

 

[scorpionx]

Yes I know about the Bargis attacks on Bengal

But that time Bengal was anyway ruled by Nawabs

The larger point is that of sovereignity which Bengal surrendered a long time ago

First to the Islamists and then to the British

Why did British enter India from Bengal ; ever wondered

Here in Maharashtra ; we believe this statue should have been built much earlier

The Patel statue in Gujarat finally pushed this venture

All the Criticism of this statue is coming from Outside Maharashtra

Maharashtra being India's Richest state can finance this statue

This wont affect our development

The communist rule has made Bengalis loose all their sense of pride

They -- ie Jyoti Babu had criticised even the Nuclear Tests in 1998

And do you remember Bengal CPM's role in 1962

Your post really amuses me, Stephen. So Maratha overlords plundering, raping Bengalis are justified because Bengal was under Muslim rule? Why don't you check Maharashtra's own history first and see when part of its territory came under Islamist rule?

And 'why did British enter India from Bengal'!! Really!!! Have you forgot where they first set foot in India? And where they found their first presidency? Why don't you properly read your own country's history first before coming into a prejudiced conclusion against Bengalis?

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Why don't you read your own country's history first before coming into a prejudiced conclusion against Bengalis?

What is going on in Bengal since ages is known to everybody

The latest being Malda and Dhulagarh

What TMC and CPM have done for facilitating illegal Migration and vote bank politics
-- we all know

Today there are pockets in Bengal where Hindus cannot celebrate Durga Puja

When Bengali Hindus finally grow a spine ; please let us know

And why did British enter India from Bengal!! Really? Have you forgot where they first set foot in India? And where they found their first presidency?

They might have entered from South or West but they found the
" Environment " most suitable in Bengal for further expansion and entrenchment

That is something to do with Bengali nature

From a factory in Kolkata to being the masters of Bengal -- and then all over India
is not just a happy coincidence

Marathas were the last to succumb to the British

And we fought like Hell against the Mughals unlike Bengalis

Why does that make others Jealous

 

[scorpionx]

What is going on in Bengal since ages is known to everybody

The latest being Malda and Dhulagarh

What TMC and CPM have done for facilitating illegal Migration -- we know

Today there are pockets where Hindus cannot celebrate Durga Puja

When Bengali Hindus finally grow a spine ; please let us know



They might have entered from South or West but they found the
" Environment " most suitable in Bengal for further expansion and entrenchment

That is something to do with Bengali nature

From a factory in Kolkata to being the masters of Bengal is not just a happy coincidence

Marathas were the last to succumb to the British

And we fought like Hell against the Mughals unlike Bengalis

Why does that make others Jealous

Your repeated assault on Bengalis without any knowledge whatsoever just proves how intellectually starved you are to make a decent argument. Please spare me of this ridiculous conversation.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Your repeated assault on Bengalis just proves how intellectually starved you are to make a decent argument. Please spare me of this ridiculous conversation.

You brought Farmers suicide into this discussion

While it is Bengal Government which pleads daily for Central Financial assistance and
aid packages

Bengal is bankrupt and in a debt trap

Thanks for your concern about Maharashtra

 

[scorpionx]

You brought Farmers suicide into this discussion

While it is Bengal Government which pleads daily for Central Financial assistance and
aid packages

Bengal is bankrupt and in a debt trap

Thanks for your concern about Maharashtra

Yes, I did brought farmer's suicide into discussion for a reason. 3000 suicide in a year is a joke to you?Maharashtra government can not build scientific storage houses for onion farmers due to lack of funds which creates massive fluctuations in onion prices. But it can spend billions in a statue. What the fcuk does it have to do with Bengal?

Can't you form a proper argument without insulting others? Or is it an universal Hindu nationalist trait?

 

[Sugarcane]

It's a good project, All the Indian states should follow the example and create at least one tourist attraction in their state.

 

[Levina]

@nair @Nair saab @GURU DUTT (does he come ol now?) @Kaptaan @Levina (ur view is highly appreciated)

Hi there
To be very honest I'm flummoxed as to if I should support government's decison on this. Maharashtra is a drought ridden state and the amount that's going to be spent could have been used to alleviate the poor condition of farmers in the state.
But if I know Maharashtrians well(I have spent 4 years of my life there), then Maharashtra is a state where Shivaji is considered an immortal. I have seen the adoration ppl have for him. To the Maharashtrians Gandhi might mean nothing but Shivaji still has a huge fan following.
From a political pov, BJP wants to leave a legacy behind which inspires the youth or so I think.
If you look at our history books,Marathas have been relegated to the dust bin.
Ofcourse the revenue generated by this statue through tourism should be able to recover the amount spent on its construction.
I'm sure the govt has worked the maths behind it.
That's it.

 

[Goenitz]

And we fought like Hell against the Mughals unlike Bengalis

Ok I am intervening and w/o knowing history much, actually crisis makes rise of a nation. Martha rose to heights bcz they were uncomfortable with mughals and with a good leader they rose as they met with resistance. So the process of resistance/hardship is the reason.
Fertile lands of Punjab and Bengal, make people seldom revolt as people have enough to eat and share (in comparison to rajputana especially or afghnaistan where people always try to fight)

lastly, as Bengal was diverse so it cannot produce a common leader who can fight against British or any foreigner (afghan, turk) ow bengalis are great and foresighted as Muslim league was founded in Bengal 1906. my two cents
@scorpionx


If you read Babylon history then you will know that let me find the link.. Later

 

[scorpionx]

Ok I am intervening and w/o knowing history much, actually crisis makes rise of a nation. Martha rose to heights bcz they were uncomfortable with mughals and with a good leader they rose as they met with resistance. So the process of resistance/hardship is the reason.
Fertile lands of Punjab and Bengal, make people seldom revolt as people have enough to eat and share (in comparison to rajputana especially or afghnaistan where people always try to fight)

lastly, as Bengal was diverse so it cannot produce a common leader who can fight against British or any foreigner (afghan, turk) ow bengalis are great and foresighted as Muslim league was founded in Bengal 1906. my two cents
@scorpionx


If you read Babylon history then you will know that let me find the link.. Later

Not just crisis, a plenty of factors were at work. Terrain, climate, socio-economic and political factors and most importantly nature of Islamic expansion in the region. It is a vast topic and hey, I don't want to derail your thread

 

[Goenitz]

@scorpionx @Stephen Cohen

 

[Indus Pakistan]

At first I know that 1.5$ mil of early 1900 is not same of today's but my question is: Is it worthy to spend on monuments to revive heritage and give sense of pride and nationhood at such high cost when you can spend that on public for same (care, ownership, nationhood, etc)
I know spending on nation symbols and culture is vital but why so much on one statue?Construction of a world class Temple, Mosque, Gurdawara and Church will deliver the same message of unity and heritage (as far as of previous 800 years).

P.S. Its India money and their wish how they want to spend it.. I just need profound reasons for academic purposes.

This statue is worth every dollar in my opinon. I am frankly jealous. It is all about manifesting national unity. A iconic design that everybody recognizes through all over and through the decades. Think Eiffel tower and France pops to mind, think Statue of Liberty and USA comes to mind. Western capitals are full of iconic pseudo-Greek structures and most were built in the late 18th centuries when nationhood was by fostered.

In Pakistan there is nothing of the sort. Minar-e -Pakistan is good design but public monuments have to be huge so that they dominate the lanscape - thereby conveying the power of the state and create a sense of permanency. The monument in Islamabad is too small and terrible/ugly design. The only structure in Psakistan that has some worth is the Mazar-e-Quaid which grabs the eye and dominates the area. It is also rather nice looking.

On a side note if I had a choice of the monument in Islamabad I would have gone for copy of this (below) but on a huge scale in white marble with blue or turquoise tiles to contast. At night it would on a the elevated section of Islamabad look awesome with lights on.

Instead they built this ugly thing.

Going back to the question by OP I think it is worth and in time will act like national monument recognized the world over. It is clever marketing exercise by Modi which weaves myth, history, modern Indian nationalism and marketing.

When a name of a country is mentioned it is always better to have something tangible and positive that pops up in the mind. In case of Pakistan nothing does with the only thing conspicious being terrorism. When ever I get a chance I try to shaft India with rickshaw pullers, poverty, filth and general hideousness but it never sticks because I am running against Taj Mahal, Bollywood, Indian food, glorious Indian history, Chicken Tikka Masala, Balti Gosht, Peshawari Nans and Gandhi. Now I have another hurdle - the fvckin Shivaji Temple.

 

[Goenitz]

Now I have another hurdle - the fvckin Shivaji Temple.

I think I have seen thread on that.. I was thinking if it c'd be built in tharparkar...

 

[Deadpool]

If you look at our history books,Marathas have been relegated to the dust bin.

That's not all.
I studied in CBSE syllabus. The syllabus papers over Maratha empire, the Chola Empire, the Southern kingdoms among numerous numerous other things that are of vital importance to how India shaped up.

Our books just teach us about the Mughals and how awesome they were and the rest everyone is treated as a
non-entity....

....till the time we come to the British when suddenly it goes to ridiculous depths about freedom struggle and as usual - Congress party is shown as the defacto pan-Indian party that saved us all.

Our history books are so messed up. They seriously need to be written better.

 

[Goenitz]

https://defence.pk/threads/indian-temple-will-be-the-worlds-tallest-religious-skyscraper.462472/
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