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Is it time to implement Mujib’s plan to bring Bangladesh and Pakistan closer?

This @Tom-tom guy's sense of history is twisted and distorted. I bet most Bengalis have more Hindu past than the Pakistanis.


This is where we have to disagree

Although Bengalis look like normal Indians, or may be Pakistanis, naturwise bengalis behave more like fare-astern folks. Its a weired combination but thats my observation.

Flipostive & abdul Rahman majeed bhia form a brotherhood forming a new caste system stomp on the one that they deem to lesser?

Most of the South Asians follow their castes irrespective of their religion. You just can't force people to give up their famility history just like that. Everyone has pride in their family be it Brahman, Jatt, Gujjar, Rajput etc. The same is the case in every other part of the world. Turks has tribes, Arabs have tribes, Central Asians have tribes.

So I do not understand what is your peeve here.

When your the caste system that you so called Hindu Muslims were born with, you must have inherited lizards like brains with the knowledge of survival? Goes onto Ruins your country, there must be something deeply wrong. The fact that people see nothing wrong with this, and think they are greater ordained by God cause of thier blood to treat other people like pos. Then it becomes a problem.

The fact that your country has lost its Eastern wing because of this, and you still don't see anything abhorrently wrong about it makes me question whether you have a soul. Or if you are a muslim or your Hindu k*ff*r




This @Tom-tom guy's sense of history is twisted and distorted. I bet most Bengalis have more Hindu past than the Pakistanis.




What good is this hatred?
Does it allow you to go back in time and change things?
It's doing nothing but hurting your mental state.
What is done is done and no one can change that.
What we can change is the future, you can either fill it with hate or you can make it productive.

I only get triggered when naive people say thing about my roots, I have to put people in their places.



Mujibur was a RAW agent and he had orders to kill Pakistanis.

No amount of cajoling would have helped BD to remain with Pakistan as the decision was already made in India.

BDs were the biggest back stabbers of Islam in the South Asia.

Good riddance!

Go back to my earlier post. Banglabandu mujib Excellency and the rightful but denied ruler of united Pakistan and gave real viable alternatives. Bengali Muslims suffered immensely under Hindus/brits and we suffered under pak gov.


It was our islamic entitlement to rebel.

There were only 2 rightful people in it history to lead Pakistan, that were humble and would have propelled the country to New heights. They are Imran khan and mujib bangalbandu

Dhakaya university has always been a hotbed of criminal elements, RAW and pseudo intellectuals.

Pak army should have dealt with them more firmly.

Should have shut it down and burnt it. And opened actual universities outside Dhaka.

And been ruthless with the sectarian violence between Hindus and Biharis.

Pak army let the sectarian violence get out of hand and is blamed for it.

There might have been some Dhaka students that were waste of space, how ever sometimes I question whether your bengali.

Bengali pharma students were developing relationships with Western pharma industries. At one time pharma industry was considering making bdesh a generic pharma hub. Because of a few talented people at Dhaka. This would have saved foreign currency saved those pedigree elite paks that walk all fours money, so they can do haram activities like alcohol, drug and give money to their Hindu idol gods.




I agree we Pakistanis wronged the Bangladeshi during 1971.

But Bangladesh should not have declared independence.

The hierarchy in Pakistan has never forgiven Bangladesh for that.

You acknowledged bdesh was wronged. when multi media and TVs were near non existent. If you were really lucky and well off you had a c*appy radio. Most of the population were illiterate. Educational books for most people were not that common.

Hindu/brits literally threw out the bengali Muslim that had a good job literally on the streets. Bengali and broken Persian was used and a lucky few may have known some English or what might be vaguely recognised as English.

Many families middle and upper class, hell even poor invested their entire life savings on one sibling or offspring hoping to get a job in local administration. Over night the language was changed. This would have set bdesh back decades.

Families would have suffered immensely. Bengalis suffered and suffered over a longer endured period British colonial rule and suffered some of the worst events under colonial rule. Than any other South asian.

After independence we continued to be ignored and our suffering went on with out blinking an eye.


Also heard pak ruler at the time before the uprising tried to introduce foreign languages to civilise us bla*k m**keys like Latin and some other b.s. that had no use.



In what sense? There only complain was, that West wing don’t spend enough money on the East. This could be resolved politically. No where in West People started targeting Bangalis or their officials.

Bangalis were targeting non bangalis, and started destroying symbols of state. Stage was already set. Operation search light is just an excuse now.

Let suppose there was no Indian and Russian involvement, 90% of bangalis would still be patriotic Pakistani right now. Army was able to establish the writ of the govt initially.


Do you think money grows on magic trees? It was Bangladesh that brought in foreign money into United Pakistan for most united Pakistan life.


This growth that Bangladesh is seeing in garments could have happened alot sooner if pak gov put in the right policies but they decided to kill it .


It was bengalis buying up secondhand garment machines and shipping them back as western govs were phasing out this industry. Bengalis bought this with their money.


You kill a man's every man last avenue of hope, growth and starve him, he has nothing to live for tomorrow.
 
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Sheikh Mujib never wanted to break up his beloved Pakistan for which he was a foot soldier in his youth.

However, operation searchlight made division inevitable.

But that is history and we should move on - because Bangladeshi Muslims don’t have any hard feelings - given out of a 250 thousand deaths only 25 thousand were Bangladeshi Muslims.

The resentment is largely concentrated in the Hindu and Bihari communities because they suffered most deaths and violence. Pakistan and India were responsible for the deaths in those respective communities and only they can heal those wounds.

Anyway, here is what Mujib really wanted:

1. Effective joint military through a military alliance.

2. Most of our embassies housed in same buildings.

3. Free movement of people, goods and capital.

4. A central tax of 2.5% - to be used to fund relief efforts and mitigate natural disasters.

5. Extensive collaboration between universities.
Are you saying that those bengali hindus and bihari muslims who migrated to east Pakistan from India (who were indiscriminately targeted and killed) were not Pakistani citizens like the rest.
 
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We should have closer relationship but they should be built on our history, religion, economic and social ties - not just having a common problem.
 
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They were Pakistani citizens but worked actively against Pakistan.
Who were mukti bahini then, who fought against Pak army? Were they not involved in clandestine activities working against Pakistan?

The Mukti Bahini, also known as the Bangladesh Forces, was the guerrilla resistance movement consisting of the Bangladeshi military, paramilitary and civilians during the War of Liberation that transformed East Pakistan into Bangladesh in 1971. They were initially called the Mukti Fauj. Wikipedia
 
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Bhutto and Mujib both died like dogs so justice was delivered by the all mighty himself. Indira Gandi also endup with 30 holes in her body.
 
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True, but I wouldn’t worry about conspiracies and YouTube videos of Pakistan is doomed. Pakistani are least worried about these conspiracy theories. Ground reality is different.

Pakistan is an idea, much more than ethnic based set of geographical borders. You cannot destroy an idea. Even after 50 years, bangalis still support Pakistan cricket team as their own. Still talk about what went wrong 50 years ago.

So let suppose even regional ethics states decided to go their own way because of central govt incompetence, sooner or later they will reunited, because as Muslim of subcontinent their survival and strength depends on unity.

I like your optimism but this IDEA you speak of has been slaughtered publicly and thrown in the Arabian Sea by the Fascist Generals of Pakistan Army. People have seen it and they want to go their separate way. I firmly believe that it is only a matter of time when true independence movements will start in KPK and Baluchistan. The people of these provinces will surround these Army generals and their troops and will do to them what BD people did to them in 1971.

THERE IS ONLY ONE SOLUTION -- REFORM PAKISTAN ARMY AND BRING THEM UNDER THE LAW. OTHERWISE THIS COUNTRY IS LITERALLY DOING TO DIE RIGHT IN FRONT OF US.
 
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I like your optimism but this IDEA you speak of has been slaughtered publicly and thrown in the Arabian Sea by the Fascist Generals of Pakistan Army. People have seen it and they want to go their separate way. I firmly believe that it is only a matter of time when true independence movements will start in KPK and Baluchistan. The people of these provinces will surround these Army generals and their troops and will do to them what BD people did to them in 1971.

THERE IS ONLY ONE SOLUTION -- REFORM PAKISTAN ARMY AND BRING THEM UNDER THE LAW. OTHERWISE THIS COUNTRY IS LITERALLY DOING TO DIE RIGHT IN FRONT OF US.
If people were any better, Pakistan wouldn’t be a shit show, after all generals are the reflection of the society. KPK and Baluchistan are the two most primitive minded areas of Pakistan. They will turn into Afghanistan part II.

As long as Generals keep their feudal, wadaras , Tribal chiefs and warlords on the Political gravy train, public in their constituency will keep worshipping the system .


But as soon as they realize they are about to get run over by a foreign power. Once they feel boot up their *** they will reunite under same idea for their survival. Unlike Bangladesh 98% are Muslims in Pakistan.
 
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Pakistan will only be complete when all its neighbouring brothers join hands with it to form the real(Greater) Pakistan. We are currently in a process of cleansing our country from the prophets of hate and division. Inshallah Pakistan shall emerge from the ashes to its rightful Glory.
does this mean that pandit nawaz khandan, qatil e ahla afyun frosh sana-ullah and moola deezal are for the chop too or just moron e ahzam khan?
 
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Most positive development I can see is to counter a Hinduvata ruled India but in that case China is more reliable and politically stable. No offense to Pakistanis but since Imran Khan was ousted I don't see Pakistan as a reliable partner.
Dhakaya university has always been a hotbed of criminal elements, RAW and pseudo intellectuals.

Pak army should have dealt with them more firmly.

Should have shut it down and burnt it. And opened actual universities outside Dhaka.

And been ruthless with the sectarian violence between Hindus and Biharis.

Pak army let the sectarian violence get out of hand and is blamed for it.
The boot licking here is crazy. I heard oral hygenie in the UK was bad but yours must be on another level of terrible.
 
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