Is it time to implement Mujib’s plan to bring Bangladesh and Pakistan closer?

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

Jinnah was originally a Hindu look it up, if you dig deep enough he had conflicted issues with Islam. Accepted Islam unless as the religion in name only and drink and loves whisky.

He thought about making the alcohol the more popular than chia.

Jinnah father was Hindu and converted to Islam whilst jinnah was young. Or was it that it was actually jinnah that the khaffar that reverted in name only.

So what is so unque about Jinnah having a Hindu past? Why single out him?

Majority of the Muslims in South Asia have a Hindu past.

Allama iqbal was a Brahman. Most of the Muslims in IOK were also Brahmans and still have surnames like Dhar / Dar / Bhat etc.

IOK Muslim leader Sheikh Abdullah also had a Hindu past.

Sheikh Abdullah was born on 5 December 1905 in Soura, a village on the outskirts of Srinagar, two weeks after the death of his father Sheikh Mohammed Ibrahim.[9][10] As claimed by him in his autobiography Aatish-e-Chinar,[11] his great- grandfather was a Hindu Brahmin of Sapru Clan, who converted to Islam after getting influenced by a Sufi preacher.

Sheikh Abdullah - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Tom-tom]

Jinnah married a parsi not Hindu.

Jinnah was originally a Hindu look it up, if you dig deep enough he had conflicted issues with Islam. Accepted Islam unless as the religion in name only and drink and loves whisky.

He thought about making the alcohol the more popular than chia.

Jinnah father was Hindu and converted to Islam whilst jinnah was young. Or was it that it was actually jinnah that the khaffar that reverted in name only.

I think with these 2 post I hit an epiphany, even under compromised solution our great leader and true leader mujib and the only true leader of pak gave its was still denied.


As they never wanted bengalis to be on an equal footing. It disgusted them to the core.


Even today even some of the nicest paks give their twisted reasoning of what happened which is back handed, also with arguments I give make them sound flimsy.


They never wanted bengalis as equals or to be given allowances/policies to bengalis that were extremely disadvantaged.


That's a nicer way of saying I am racially superior to you according to the marital race.

@fitpOsitive

Although Bengalis look like normal Indians, or may be Pakistanis, naturwise bengalis behave more like fare-astern folks. Its a weired combination but thats my observation

Your Hindu caste leader yaya pos put in much more direct way. 'Black monkeys '

It's kind of contradictory, that's for decades during united pak it was bengalis that were making the dollars.

Another slap In the face east Pakistan/ modern day Bangladesh was facing a gradual increase to garment export in the 60s. Due to the western world phasing down their garment factories- and opportunitist bengalis sending these second machines to Bangladesh.

Pakistan could have been the export centre of the world. But your elites are absolute sc*m and Hindus in disguise parading around pretending to be Muslims.

That's right Bangladesh was beating China in the game before China had to pennies to rub together.


In this scenario, United pak would have gained nukes alot sooner. They would naturally entered into some quad pact allliances with China and Russia whilst flirting with the u.s. India would not even have the chance to live.

What to expect with elite paks that have inbredded for possibly hundreds of years and therefore walk around on all fours. ( I am talking about pak elites and not normal paks )

So what is so unque about Jinnah having a Hindu past? Why single out him?

Majority of the Muslims in South Asia have a Hindu past.

Allama iqbal was a Brahman. Most of the Muslims in IOK were also Brahmans and still have surnames like Dhar / Dar / Bhat etc.

IOK Muslim leader Sheikh Abdullah also had a Hindu past.

Sheikh Abdullah was born on 5 December 1905 in Soura, a village on the outskirts of Srinagar, two weeks after the death of his father Sheikh Mohammed Ibrahim.[9][10] As claimed by him in his autobiography Aatish-e-Chinar,[11] his great- grandfather was a Hindu Brahmin of Sapru Clan, who converted to Islam after getting influenced by a Sufi preacher.

Sheikh Abdullah - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A kaffar sc*m that led to the demise of of united pak. Also tried to populairse alcohol to Muslims and encouraged to pak people to keep caste s*** system and backward culture.

 

[Maula Jatt]

I thaught this was a pakistani forum...

Openly talking shit about Jinnah shouldn't be tolerated, this is a step too far

 

[Tom-tom]

There go, can't handle criticism, many people have acknowledged jinnah was Muslim in name possibly only in name . Its well known he loved the juice and could not disown the entirety of Hindu custom. Perhaps jinnah should have re written the quran.

As a muslim you know it's true and a fake Muslim led to the demise of what could have been a great formiddable country. Along with bhutto.


Also my forefathers were effected by jinnah and bhutto. If it's anything unislamic they have done, and they are the ruler of Muslim brothers. Muslims have the right to say something.

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

A kaffar sc*m that led to the demise of of united pak. Also tried to populairse alcohol to Muslims and encouraged to pak people to keep caste s*** system and backward culture.

Most of the South Asians follow their castes irrespective of their religion. You just can't force people to give up their famility history just like that. Everyone has pride in their family be it Brahman, Jatt, Gujjar, Rajput etc. The same is the case in every other part of the world. Turks has tribes, Arabs have tribes, Central Asians have tribes.

So I do not understand what is your peeve here.

 

[Sayfullah]

Pakistan and Bangladesh should be strong allies. What happened in the past already happened. We need a strong alliance now in all domains especially military. Money alone can’t buy you everything cuz some technologies take decades to master and no country is willing to sell such tech. Visa free travel would also be beneficial for both countries. A free trade agreement would also be beneficial for both sides.
Bangladesh needs strong allies for the future. Indian economy will always be much stronger than Bangladesh and will always have more purchasing power than Bangladesh. If Bangladesh and Pakistan have a military alliance they can together counter Indian threat more effectively.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Jinnah was originally a Hindu look it up, if you dig deep enough he had conflicted issues with Islam. Accepted Islam unless as the religion in name only and drink and loves whisky.

So what? That's his personal life, which is seperate from politcal activities, most mullahs of the time didn't want pakistan anyways

Jinnah , Bhutto, Imran Khan(used to atleast) are our most popular figures and all three drank

No one gives a shit, it's what they offer is what's important

He thought about making the alcohol the more popular than chia.

Jinnah father was Hindu and converted to Islam whilst jinnah was young. Or was it that it was actually jinnah that the khaffar that reverted in name only.

So what?
A lot of people were converts?
We went through it on this forum and some of us had known Great grandfather or someone far back who was Hindu or Sikh

It doesn't matter one bit

Another slap In the face east Pakistan/ modern day Bangladesh was facing a gradual increase to garment export in the 60s. Due to the western world phasing down their garment factories- and opportunitist bengalis sending these second machines to Bangladesh.

Pakistan could have been the export centre of the world. But your elites are absolute sc*m and Hindus in disguise parading around pretending to be Muslims.

That's right Bangladesh was beating China in the game before China had to pennies to rub together.


In this scenario, United pak would have gained nukes alot sooner. They would naturally entered into some quad pact allliances with China and Russia whilst flirting with the u.s. India would not even have the chance to live.

What to expect with elite paks that have inbredded for possibly hundreds of years and therefore walk around on all fours. ( I am talking about pak elites and not normal paks )




A kaffar sc*m that led to the demise of of united pak. Also tried to populairse alcohol to Muslims and encouraged to pak people to keep caste s*** system and backward culture.

We have lived on our lands for centeries, we honor our ancestors, just like the Turks and Arabs, South East Asians keep thier family history intact

So do we

 

[Genghis khan1]

I think with these 2 post I hit an epiphany, even under compromised solution our great leader and the only true leader of pak gave its was still denied.


As they never wanted bengalis to be on an equal footing. It disgusted them to the core.


Even today even some of the nicest paks give their twisted reasoning of what happened which is back handed, also with arguments I give make them sound flimsy.


They never wanted bengalis as equals or to be given allowances/policies to bengalis that were extremely disadvantaged.


That's a nicer way of saying I am racially superior to you according to the marital race.

@fitpOsitive

Although Bengalis look like normal Indians, or may be Pakistanis, naturwise bengalis behave more like fare-astern folks. Its a weired combination but thats my observation

Your Hindu caste leader yaya pos put in much more direct way. 'Black monkeys '

It's kind of contradictory, that's for decades during united pak it was bengalis that were making the dollars.

You are mixing way too many things and somehow achieving self satisfaction. Bangalis where ruled by Mughals and for sometime his rebellious general Suris, than Gora starved 3 million bangalis death. Mir Jafar was (Iraqi decent) Najafi Shia so we can’t call him bangali. But nonetheless Hindu started ruling bangle under Goras. All that time bangalis language or resources wasn’t the issue.

Bangalis joined Muslims of India to gain independence, and soon after they rebelled against the new state. When founding fathers were absolute clear that anyone raising language or ethnic issue is enemy of the United Islamic state of Pakistan. Bangalis weren’t minority and were way too far in their own geographical home (like puto Rico under US ) to complain about not treated equal. If it wasn’t for Jinnah there wouldn’t be Bangladesh today.

 

[Tom-tom]

You are mixing way too many things and somehow achieving self satisfaction. Bangalis where ruled by Mughals and for sometime his rebellious general Suris, than Gora starved 3 million bangalis death. Mir Jafar was (Iraqi decent) Najafi Shia so can’t I can’t call him bangali. But nonetheless Hindu started ruling bangle under Goras. All that time bangalis language or resources wasn’t the issue.

Bangalis joined Muslims of India to gain independence, and soon after they rebelled against the new state. When founding fathers were absolute clear that anyone raising language or ethnic issue is enemy of the United Islamic state of Pakistan. Bangalis weren’t minority and were way too far in their own geographical home (like puto Rico under US ) to complain about not treated equal. If it wasn’t for Jinnah there wouldn’t be Bangladesh today.

Firstly you have understand the plight of the issue of its people to rule/lead them. Also the majority of population back was bengali, so shouldn't bengali also be some kind of official language.

It's more deeper than that, considering that west Pakistan is not homogeneous and ethically can be a hot bed, how ever the in the east the majority of the pop was homogeneous and spoke bengali. Also during the 40's - 70's bengalis exported the most and imported the least and brought in much needed foreign currency that west pak used. With their highly developed martial race science genetically superior race they did not to have lowly bengalis a chance to succeed, this would have led bengalis to dominate Pakistan. They did not want that. They did not want bengalis to the equal man, or better man. In plain English it was paranoia and jealousy




Bengal Court/administration language was Persian. Muslims bengalis done well under it. Then the British came and put Hindus at the top. Muslims bengalis knew bengali - Persian were out on the street over night. That's the educated Muslim class left with nothing.


Muslims suffered under a British rule, then came partition and then to ban bengali- for officaial life when bengali was being re mastered and the very few elite that could speak some resemblance of English. And to come in over night to enforce another foreign language that would have set back the what ever educated class decades back therefore the region. Is bad.


Islamically speaking putting people through unnecessary hardships and tyranny allows for people to rebel against its ruler.


But your Hindu leader jinnah had other plans. That also explains why jinnah did not want to get rid of caste system that culturally ingrained in paks

Firstly you have understand the plight of the issue of its people to rule/lead them. Also the majority of population back was bengali, so shouldn't bengali also be some kind of official language.

It's more deeper than that, considering that west Pakistan is not homogeneous and ethically can be a hot bed, how ever the in the east the majority of the pop was homogeneous and spoke bengali. Also during the 40's - 70's bengalis exported the most and imported the least and brought in much needed foreign currency that west pak used. With their highly developed martial race science genetically superior race they did not to have lowly bengalis a chance to succeed, this would have led bengalis to dominate Pakistan. They did not want that. They did not want bengalis to the equal man, or better man. In plain English it was paranoia and jealousy




Bengal Court/administration language was Persian. Muslims bengalis done well under it. Then the British came and put Hindus at the top. Muslims bengalis knew bengali - Persian were out on the street over night. That's the educated Muslim class left with nothing.


Muslims suffered under a British rule, then came partition and then to ban bengali- for officaial life when bengali was being re mastered and the very few elite that could speak some resemblance of English. And to come in over night to enforce another foreign language that would have set back the what ever educated class decades back therefore the region. Is bad.


Islamically speaking putting people through unnecessary hardships and tyranny allows for people to rebel against its ruler.


But your Hindu leader jinnah had other plans. That also explains why jinnah did not want to get rid of caste system that culturally ingrained in paks

So what? That's his personal life, which is seperate from politcal activities, most mullahs of the time didn't want pakistan anyways

Jinnah , Bhutto, Imran Khan(used to atleast) are our most popular figures and all three drank

No one gives a shit, it's what they offer is what's important

So what?
A lot of people were converts?
We went through it on this forum and some of us had known Great grandfather or someone far back who was Hindu or Sikh

It doesn't matter one bit


We have lived on our lands for centeries, we honor our ancestors, just like the Turks and Arabs, South East Asians keep thier family history intact

So do we

Combining quotes together, if a true Muslim ruler put its people under unnecessary hardships then, then Muslims citizens are islamically allowed to rebel and overthrow. Then it's unislamic.




Less money was spent in Bangladesh even though it earned most of the foreign money through exports, had a higher pop and people desperately needed services.


This language thing would have made Bangladesh at an even greater disadvantage back in those days literacy rates were extremely poor its not as though you could teach yourself urdu. No multi media, not books no TV. Possibly a radio if your well off.


Bengali educated class that were may have some kind of hope and carrying their families dreams of some kind gov job went down the drain. They would have been on thr street rebelling or starving.

This is a first that a nationalist bengali decendant is more of a patriotic Pakistani than a Pakistani. Under a fairer Pakistan actually envisaged a Pakistan that actually a formidable country and India as a husk.


It's a well known that many pak elites hold love affair sentiments for India in their hearts.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Jinnah father was Hindu and converted to Islam whilst jinnah was young.

Last time I checked, Quran wasn’t descended in Bangali or the Islam. All of you were worshiping something else at some point in history.

 

[Rusty2]

lol - what the "people" of Pakistan need to do is learn from Bangladesh and get the Army firmly under political control and "put in their place" ... that worked for Bangladesh, that works for India - that "too" can work for Pakistan ...

While I agree, it is a difficult position for Pakistan. Both India and Bangladesh have their military under control by effectively turning them into a useless Institution. Indian, with a population of a billion and a half, can't even handle Pakistan, a nation 7x smaller and broke. While Bangladesh can't handle Myanmar, a similar banana republic to us. Pakistan's existence relies on a competent army.
Which means that the army is good at their job, but also takes punga in politics.
I don't know the solution, but Pak army under current politicians will basically mean we will become an Indian colony.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Also tried to populairse alcohol to Muslims and encouraged to pak people to keep caste s*** system and backward culture.

Jinnah didn’t had the magic wand to fix every issue. You cannot change people and their practices overnight. When Islam came to Arabia, God didn’t came down on prophet instructing to outlaw alcohol and usery the first day. Look at Bangal today after 75 yrs. Your Army chief is a mafia boss and his brother a political hitman. Islamic scholars are being hung at age 80.

Islam prohibit changing family name (linage) of even adopted orphan. It’s is unIslamic to reintroduce yourself as someone else who you are not, regardless of religious history.

 

[Rusty2]

The pak elite have always been corrupt and unislamic. That jinnah is actually an Hindu that tried to secretly get rest of pak to drink whisky and alcohol. Paks puts this Hindu caste guy at top of all islamic leaders. These people will never change.


You are simply changing one evil for another. Your solutions will not bring the resolve we need. D-8 nations are rising quick. The world is soon becoming a multi polar world. Ksa is getting nukes.


Indonesia and Turkey is becoming a formidable force.


If a the middle power muslim countries form some kind co-operation in all sectors and get the gulf countries to become anti India, which most of gulf citizens hate Indian gov.


Also inshallal that bdesh will become close to a trillion dollar economy near to 2030. Turkey would have developed it premium multi role fighter jet by then. We will be able get other big arms.

Also if pak elite have any common sense, and 2 brain cells. India annexing bdesh and getting bonuses economy with trillion dollar economy and industrious region will be the end for pak.


As all those resources can be homed in to pak.

What is stopping you from forming a miliary alliance against Pakistan now?
You clearly have a visceral hatred for Pakistan, just like your leader.
Put your money where your mouth is and make an anti-Pakistan alliance with India now and end Pakistan......
Oh right, just words and hatred....

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

Combining quotes together, if a true Muslim ruler put its people under unnecessary hardships then, then Muslims citizens are islamically allowed to rebel and overthrow. Then it's unislamic.




Less money was spent in Bangladesh even though it earned most of the foreign money through exports, had a higher pop and people desperately needed services.


This language thing would have made Bangladesh at an even greater disadvantage back in those days literacy rates were extremely poor its not as though you could teach yourself urdu. No multi media, not books no TV. Possibly a radio if your well off.


Bengali educated class that were may have some kind of hope and carrying their families dreams of some kind gov job went down the drain. They would have been on thr street rebelling or starving.

This is a first that a nationalist bengali decendant is more of a patriotic Pakistani than a Pakistani. Under a fairer Pakistan actually envisaged a Pakistan that actually a formidable country and India as a husk.


It's a well known that many pak elites hold love affair sentiments for India in their hearts.

Jinnah never wanted a separate nation. He only asked for separate electorate for Muslims. When Gandhi/Nehru did not agree, partition was inevitable.

 

[Tom-tom]

What is stopping you from forming a miliary alliance against Pakistan now?
You clearly have a visceral hatred for Pakistan, just like your leader.
Put your money where your mouth is and make an anti-Pakistan alliance with India now and end Pakistan......
Oh right, just words and hatred....

Like I said under fairer untied Pakistan and garment export picking up in Bangladesh in the 60s before China had 2 pennies. Would have a dangerous combo and untied Pakistan may today have become a formiddable country. How ever your west pak elites have stabbed their people in back many times