Is it right to attack South Waziristan now?

[The Patriot]

Nothing ever good comes out of war, do an offensive in SW, some of them will die, but they will just show up in another place, like South Punjab these days.

You must remember the Talibans and extremists are humans aswell, do you think that they really want to kill hundreds of peoples? I say, make way for negotiations and please for the love of Allah, DO NOT listen to America, nothing ever good comes out of it.

They are humans aswell and they've been forced to fight because of the conditions, anyone remember the Bangladesh incident? Let us learn from history, and no...I'm NOT supporting the terrorists, but you have to see this case from another perspective. Our leaders are corrupt to the bone, a national revolution need to come, but it won't...
No, I am not talking about a mullah revolution, but a national revolution in favor for the average pakistani people...

you better come out of oslo and live under the Taliban rule in sw.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

Attack sould be done within a congenial timeframe . Moreever our Enemy in the East should not be undermined . Need to carry out some steps to divert the focus of our rivals also .

 

[batmannow]

Who made TTP terrorist ? you know majority of these tribel pushtoons are un educated , they dont have sense to identify between their friend and enemy.

Al Qaeda trapped them and after US drones attacks , they are now behaving like angry bull .

Now we have two options

1. Crush them with 2 to 3 div force , destroy their every thing , in this operation thousand of innocient citizens will also lost their lives.There is possibility all major cities become bagdad and this war may continue for three to five years or more.

As a result all cities will be devastated , 160 million pupulation will suffer for food ,power , medicine shortage for minimum ten years.

Total estimated lose 50 to 100 bill US Dollars.



2. Try to solve this issue by help of our friends China and Turkey and say good bye to USA and block NATO supply line.If China and Turkey forces are on our soil, US could never attack on Pakistan.

UN aid can be increased with the support of China and Turkey.Relation with Russia can also be developed , Iran has good relation with Russia Israel or USA could not attack on it


Do you have any solution other than these options ?

Who made TTP terrorist ? you know majority of these tribel pushtoons are un educated , they dont have sense to identify between their friend and enemy.

Al Qaeda trapped them and after US drones attacks , they are now behaving like angry bull .

is that PAKARMY or innocent pakistani peoples, THAT made them terrorrists,its the same kind of "UMMAH & JIHAD "mentality from peoples like you, for the sake of cheap popularity & personal gains.
wht was the name of that crazy TTP sawat chapter ,spokes man "YOUSOF KHAN" WHO lived his life in USA ,& SUDDNLY CAME BACK to sawat & became a TTP SAWAT CHAPTER spokesman!



Crush them with 2 to 3 div force , destroy their every thing , in this operation thousand of innocient citizens will also lost their lives.There is possibility all major cities become bagdad and this war may continue for three to five years or more.

As a result all cities will be devastated , 160 million pupulation will suffer for food ,power , medicine shortage for minimum ten years.

Total estimated lose 50 to 100 bill US Dollars.

who said to you , PA will to destroy everything there ,but yes PAKARMY will not going to let them hide in the civillian ranks, they will be drived out like in SAWAT OPS, & I GUSS sawat ops , barly lasted a month or so,there is a chance that,it will take 3months or so,but not more thn that,your assesment is totaly wrong & the facts gathered ,from sawat ops ,happly show that refugees happly setteld back to thier homes, more then 70% of infrastruture in SAWAT ops is stillin good shape, so your BS, ASSESMENT is totaly wrong,& plz stop that, i mean "the dam takbeer" minded, horifying stories.



As a result all cities will be devastated , 160 million pupulation will suffer for food ,power , medicine shortage for minimum ten years.

Total estimated lose 50 to 100 bill US Dollars.

again very mis leading , fact sheet!
what about , rest of billions of pakistanis suffereings from the jaws of TTP?

Try to solve this issue by help of our friends China and Turkey and say good bye to USA and block NATO supply line.If China and Turkey forces are on our soil, US could never attack on Pakistan.
INFACT USA already understands clearly that ,it would be a great loss toits intersts,if ever they try to attack pakistan, they can talk it on FOX NEWS or at CNN , but senoir leadership knows the concequences of that crazy action.


UN aid can be increased with the support of China and Turkey.Relation with Russia can also be developed , Iran has good relation with Russia Israel or USA could not attack on it


keepin ur "TAKBEERI MIND" it will never going to happen,till you make your last breath, its all "PAKISTAN'S WAR" & WE should fight it , by our selves, GREAT CHINA already , supported by stating yesterday that, it is ready to give state of art weapons , to fight terror, turkish HEAD OF ARMY is having DISCUSSIONS ,with coas right now! so wait dont be nerveous , & stop derailling that thread!

China vows support for efforts to boost security By Shamim-ur-Rehman
Wednesday, 14 Oct, 2009
www.dawn.com

 

[SecularHumanist]

1. Crush them with 2 to 3 div force , destroy their every thing , in this operation thousand of innocient citizens will also lost their lives.There is possibility all major cities become bagdad and this war may continue for three to five years or more.

As a result all cities will be devastated , 160 million pupulation will suffer for food ,power , medicine shortage for minimum ten years.

Total estimated lose 50 to 100 bill US Dollars.



2. Try to solve this issue by help of our friends China and Turkey and say good bye to USA and block NATO supply line.If China and Turkey forces are on our soil, US could never attack on Pakistan.

UN aid can be increased with the support of China and Turkey.Relation with Russia can also be developed , Iran has good relation with Russia Israel or USA could not attack on it


Do you have any solution other than these options ?

This is assuming China and Turkey want to come on our soil. Where did you up with this? China and Turkey will have no interest whatsoever in sending their troops to fight for us. What do they get in return? Just because they are allies and friendly countries it doesn't mean they will come to our rescue. They are busy in their own development.


@thread- Was going through the thread and noticed how people are criticizing a possible operation in Waziristan, and all that is wrong with the military option. Notice that many of these people are Islamist sympathizers that want us to go back to the failed 'peace deals.' Making peace deals with the Taliban is a tried and tested failure; It always comes back to bite us in the backside. Some people have learned nothing from what happened in Swat it seems. Also notice that these same people never provide any solutions. They are always first in line to criticize what is wrong, but no solutions. If we had been listening to such imbeciles after the Taliban had taken over Buner and threatened to expand further, who knows, we might have been in Talibanistan today. Some people can never get their heads out of the sand and they are better ignored. It is like listening to a bunch of Imran Khans

 

[third eye]

Who made TTP terrorist ? you know majority of these tribel pushtoons are un educated , they dont have sense to identify between their friend and enemy.

Al Qaeda trapped them and after US drones attacks , they are now behaving like angry bull .

Now we have two options

1. Crush them with 2 to 3 div force , destroy their every thing , in this operation thousand of innocient citizens will also lost their lives.There is possibility all major cities become bagdad and this war may continue for three to five years or more.

As a result all cities will be devastated , 160 million pupulation will suffer for food ,power , medicine shortage for minimum ten years.

Total estimated lose 50 to 100 bill US Dollars.



2. Try to solve this issue by help of our friends China and Turkey and say good bye to USA and block NATO supply line.If China and Turkey forces are on our soil, US could never attack on Pakistan.

UN aid can be increased with the support of China and Turkey.Relation with Russia can also be developed , Iran has good relation with Russia Israel or USA could not attack on it


Do you have any solution other than these options ?

Would this imply that to prevent US attacks Pk needs ' outside' help & the presence of Ch / Turk troops on its soil ?

 

[nightrider_saulat]

snowfall are near to come arrive in waziristan
so therefore i think it wouldn't be a good choice for the army to enter their and fight with the most well trained hardcore units among taliban

 

[TaimiKhan]

snowfall are near to come arrive in waziristan
so therefore i think it wouldn't be a good choice for the army to enter their and fight with the most well trained hardcore units among taliban

PA can use the snow to an advantage, it has snow fighting experience & they have been engaged in this area for many years now & well know what snow is like there & how it can use it to its advantage. They are well equipped for snow warfare. They have transportation, land as well as air.

On the other hand militants have just the normal cloths & no vehicle transport to have quick mobility.

Army can launch a blitzerg kind of attack just like Swat, cut them in many places, isolate them as pockets & then engage them. When snowfall will come, it will block the escape routes of the militants & army can then do the search & clearance operations.

Critical routes can be blocked, SSG will post probably be used again in an air assault role & drop behind enemy lines or at the very critical areas where the hardcore militants or their maximum infrastructure is present. I do believe army has sent some NLI units too, which are the expert among all the rest infantry units in mountain warfare & they can do hell of tasks which others will take time or can't perform.

This is the strategy i believe army is gonna adopt, launch the operation when a month or so is left, once dislodge them, try to get in, cut them in many sections so that they don't have an effective communication line. One thing is that snow will hinder the militants in launching ambushes as snow will restrict their foot movement to a great extent.

But one thing is that snow does not falls in all of the area, some valleys & mountains get a lot of it, some very less & some nil.

But time will tell.

 

[waraich66]

This is assuming China and Turkey want to come on our soil. Where did you up with this? China and Turkey will have no interest whatsoever in sending their troops to fight for us. What do they get in return? Just because they are allies and friendly countries it doesn't mean they will come to our rescue. They are busy in their own development.


@thread- Was going through the thread and noticed how people are criticizing a possible operation in Waziristan and all that is wrong with the military option. Notice that many of these people are Islamist sympathizers that want us to go back to the failed 'peace deals.' Making peace deals with the Taliban is a tried and tested failure; It always comes back to bite us in the backside. Some people have learned nothing from what happened in Swat it seems. Also notice that these same people never provide any solutions. They are always first in line to criticize what is wrong, but no solutions. If we had been listening to such imbeciles after the Taliban had taken over Buner and threatened to expand further, who knows, we might have been in Talibanistan today. Some people can never get their heads out of the sand and they are better ignored. It is like listening to a bunch of Imran Khans

China is our old friend ,already offered assistance for insurgency control and turkey has very good record for humantarian support, helped us during earth quake disaster.

If insurgents could attacked GHQ they also could attack any part of country .

Actually there are different militant groups are involved in insurgency in swat few political parties like JI supported them but in FATA satuation is more complex even elected members had denied to support GOP for FATA operation.

90000 people already migrated from waziristan and if this war spread in other agencies this figure may go up to 1.5 to 2 million and above.

General public is not aware of scale of distruction and political parties will come out for protest if operation continue for more then six month and also human right organisation will raise the flag.

In that case India will get chance to enter its forces as they did in bangladesh.

Before any action we have to think 100 times , because our country will be at great risk because our both boarders are unsafe and we going to lounch a big war.

thanks

 

[waraich66]

Who made TTP terrorist ? you know majority of these tribel pushtoons are un educated , they dont have sense to identify between their friend and enemy.

Al Qaeda trapped them and after US drones attacks , they are now behaving like angry bull .

is that PAKARMY or innocent pakistani peoples, THAT made them terrorrists,its the same kind of "UMMAH & JIHAD "mentality from peoples like you, for the sake of cheap popularity & personal gains.
wht was the name of that crazy TTP sawat chapter ,spokes man "YOUSOF KHAN" WHO lived his life in USA ,& SUDDNLY CAME BACK to sawat & became a TTP SAWAT CHAPTER spokesman!



Crush them with 2 to 3 div force , destroy their every thing , in this operation thousand of innocient citizens will also lost their lives.There is possibility all major cities become bagdad and this war may continue for three to five years or more.

As a result all cities will be devastated , 160 million pupulation will suffer for food ,power , medicine shortage for minimum ten years.

Total estimated lose 50 to 100 bill US Dollars.

who said to you , PA will to destroy everything there ,but yes PAKARMY will not going to let them hide in the civillian ranks, they will be drived out like in SAWAT OPS, & I GUSS sawat ops , barly lasted a month or so,there is a chance that,it will take 3months or so,but not more thn that,your assesment is totaly wrong & the facts gathered ,from sawat ops ,happly show that refugees happly setteld back to thier homes, more then 70% of infrastruture in SAWAT ops is stillin good shape, so your BS, ASSESMENT is totaly wrong,& plz stop that, i mean "the dam takbeer" minded, horifying stories.



As a result all cities will be devastated , 160 million pupulation will suffer for food ,power , medicine shortage for minimum ten years.

Total estimated lose 50 to 100 bill US Dollars.

again very mis leading , fact sheet!
what about , rest of billions of pakistanis suffereings from the jaws of TTP?

Try to solve this issue by help of our friends China and Turkey and say good bye to USA and block NATO supply line.If China and Turkey forces are on our soil, US could never attack on Pakistan.
INFACT USA already understands clearly that ,it would be a great loss toits intersts,if ever they try to attack pakistan, they can talk it on FOX NEWS or at CNN , but senoir leadership knows the concequences of that crazy action.


UN aid can be increased with the support of China and Turkey.Relation with Russia can also be developed , Iran has good relation with Russia Israel or USA could not attack on it


keepin ur "TAKBEERI MIND" it will never going to happen,till you make your last breath, its all "PAKISTAN'S WAR" & WE should fight it , by our selves, GREAT CHINA already , supported by stating yesterday that, it is ready to give state of art weapons , to fight terror, turkish HEAD OF ARMY is having DISCUSSIONS , coas right now! so wait dont be nerveous , & stop derailling that thread!

China vows support for efforts to boost security By Shamim-ur-Rehman
Wednesday, 14 Oct, 2009
www.dawn.com

I have not seen any sentance from your post and your supporters about IDP's and innocient citizen could be killed during this war , you are still is non serious mood.

If you have any solution to safe guard innocient tribel people let enlighten us.

In the end thick headed people will say it was collateral damage.

 

[nightrider_saulat]

PA can use the snow to an advantage, it has snow fighting experience & they have been engaged in this area for many years now & well know what snow is like there & how it can use it to its advantage. They are well equipped for snow warfare. They have transportation, land as well as air.

On the other hand militants have just the normal cloths & no vehicle transport to have quick mobility.

Army can launch a blitzerg kind of attack just like Swat, cut them in many places, isolate them as pockets & then engage them. When snowfall will come, it will block the escape routes of the militants & army can then do the search & clearance operations.

Critical routes can be blocked, SSG will post probably be used again in an air assault role & drop behind enemy lines or at the very critical areas where the hardcore militants or their maximum infrastructure is present. I do believe army has sent some NLI units too, which are the expert among all the rest infantry units in mountain warfare & they can do hell of tasks which others will take time or can't perform.

This is the strategy i believe army is gonna adopt, launch the operation when a month or so is left, once dislodge them, try to get in, cut them in many sections so that they don't have an effective communication line. One thing is that snow will hinder the militants in launching ambushes as snow will restrict their foot movement to a great extent.

But one thing is that snow does not falls in all of the area, some valleys & mountains get a lot of it, some very less & some nil.

But time will tell.

but you also know that this time we can't landlocked them from all four sides(specially from the western side).....this will just follow their simple philosophy "hit & run".....
until and unless if we can't trap them from all four sides
we can't give them flavor of defeat.....
and to locked them from afghan side is nearly impossible

 

[batmannow]

I have not seen any sentance from your post and your supporters about IDP's and innocient citizen could be killed during this war , you are still is non serious mood.

If you have any solution to safe guard innocient tribel people let enlighten us.

In the end thick headed people will say it was collateral damage.

come on stop twisting things,here this thread isnt about IDPS ?
yes innocent peoples were being targeted,every thn & now in every cities of pakistan! dont you care about them, or your ISLAM is only for the TTP terrorits ?
before you tried to hood wink YOUR SELF ,in your "DINAYAT" & "UMMAHA"! BULLSHIT, NOW YOU ARE trying a non issue , to cover your ,illinformed post.

 

[batmannow]

but you also know that this time we can't landlocked them from all four sides(specially from the western side).....this will just follow their simple philosophy "hit & run".....
until and unless if we can't trap them from all four sides
we can't give them flavor of defeat.....
and to locked them from afghan side is nearly impossible

D,nightrider sir!
what you think , PAKARMY cant fight in SNOW!
bro, PAKARMY still having the highest, war zone in the world & thts all snow (siachin)!
well lets see, where they can & how long!
1 thing , i can let you know is that in waziristan, PAF would be in a turbo action, they will make it sure, that no one can run any where, its belived that forth comming OPS in waziristan , will be more deciceive in all the forms, i cant really dis close more than that!

but why PAKARMY is waiting, its more of weapons selection thing , i guss, also our COAS is sorting things out for boys before, JUMPING IN.

 

[TaimiKhan]

but you also know that this time we can't landlocked them from all four sides(specially from the western side).....this will just follow their simple philosophy "hit & run".....
until and unless if we can't trap them from all four sides
we can't give them flavor of defeat.....
and to locked them from afghan side is nearly impossible

They are already locked. If the wazir tribe stayed neutral, then their access to afgan border will be restricted. The mehsud area lies between jandola to wana. If you have heard the news, they have been besieged for the last 4 months or so, no way in or out, except for the mountainous paths. The mehsud tribe has no boundary with Afghanistan.

Check out the below map to give you a better understanding, where the major portion of fight will happen in case waziri militants stay neutral.

 

[MastanKhan]

Ah! We are again into this chicken and egg story here, aren't we All-Green.
So what made them terrorists who were freedom fighters before. And I am not giving it an ethnic twist as you allege. You are talking here of invading Waziristan, which is Land of the Pashtuns. So it will be those people who will suffer most - good for you because it is far from your own home.

Hi,

As I shared earlier that you missed it all----doesnot make any difference who and what made them terrorists---when the state say lay down your arms and live peacefull---that is it period.

These guys are lucky that they didnot live during the time of any muslim khalifah or kings---otherwise their living bodies be torn apart, hung on poles, hung in cages in public squares and starved to death---tied to a pole and lit on fire--all family members---little children, girls,boys, men women all executed and lands confiscated and all sign of that tribe wiped out.

 

[waraich66]

=batmannow;515115]come on stop twisting things,here this thread isnt about IDPS ?
yes innocent peoples were being targeted,every thn & now in every cities of pakistan! dont you care about them, or your ISLAM is only for the TTP terrorits ?

You agreed that innocient people die and million will be IDP's but no concern about them , think no need to even discuss because you dont have any concern about them.

before you tried to hood wink YOUR SELF ,in your "DINAYAT" & "UMMAHA"! BULLSHIT, NOW YOU ARE trying a non issue , to cover your ,illinformed post

For you concept of UMMAH is bullshit , very sad brother say immediate sorry to Allah.

Better read about islam there is no harm at any age you can learn but if you have desire .

There are four stages of human beings living on the earth.

Stage1- Who care about other humans -known as Ashraf Makhlukat
Stage2-Who only care about them self-Equivalent to Animals
Stage3-Who need blood of human beings known as (Daranda) Wolf,Loin etc.
Stage4-Who dont have any benefit to harm human , only to satisfy their hatred known as muzi (snake) etc .

Allah will accept their tuba at stage 1&2 but when they reach at stage 4 the doors of hadayat will be closed for them.