Is ancient India overrated? A mind blowing analysis by Chinese professor

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Ancient India has a lot to offer if one studies it academically.

The Indus civilisation is considered probably the first if not the very first civilisation. Along with the Sumerian and the yellow river valley of China.

Lots have been lost to evangelised monopoly on the issue.

Greek, Egyptian, Indus and Babylonian civillization are all older than the Chinese 1. Yet except for the Chinese, none of them survived the test of time.

If we follow China's official dated history, Chinese civillization is 4087 years old. If we go by Western definition, it is 3617 years old.

Thus, Chinese civillization is the world's longest and continuous(and counting on).

 

[El Sidd]

I'am saying Punjab and Sindh are ancient geopolitical entity While Pakistan is an ideological state whose values aren't inspired from ancietn sindh or Punjab but from Islam which arrived there in 7th cent.

Yes

Pakistan was made the mahmud bin qasim landed is Sindh . And Mahmud bin qasim was Syrian .

Had it not for him , Pakistan woudn't be created and now existing . There was ancient Punjab and ancient Sindh ,but you say cann't Ancient pakistan . It could as ridiculous as saying history of ancient Canada.

PS : One more thing Today's pakistanis share nothing with their great ancestors except land .

Yes

 

[Suriya]

they are not 10%, and they migrated from different region hence you cant count them as race, Dehli, UP, Hyderabad, Bihari, bombay, Gujjus, Rajhasthani and now bengali also included in them, they all togather make the numbers, so yeah, we share only Punjabis, which make less then 2% of ganga..

You share border with Gujarat and Rajastan too .

Anyways i like your desperate attempt to connect your kind with us keep trying,

You share border with Gujarat and Rajastan too and they are much longer than punjab .

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Mohenjodaro and Harappa, now in Pakistan

Where was it before? Lost perhaps? In West Indian islands? In Indonesia? MMmmmmmmm where?

 

[El Sidd]

Greek, Egyptian, Indus and Babylonian civillization are all older than the Chinese 1. Yet except for the Chinese, none of them survived the test of time.

If we follow China's official dated history, Chinese civillization is 4087 years old. If we go by Western definition, it is 3617 years old.

Thus, Chinese civillization is the world's longest and continuous(and counting on).

Recorded history is just an opinion.
No one has mastered carbon dating till now.

But yes as contiguous continuous society Chinese have the lead. Even though the 4000 bce is still a very debatable timeframe

 

[Pakistani E]

Where was it before? Lost perhaps? In West Indian islands? In Indonesia? MMmmmmmmm where?

Perhaps it was, then probably moved during partition to avoid communal violence, since the people of IVC buried their dead and were meat eaters.

 

[RealNapster]

Leaving few Pushtoons etc, most Pakistani are way too similar to Indians than they will like to accept.

Not few but each and every Pashtoon living in Pakistan is some how related to Kabul and Tribal area. not India. Infact, many Pakhtoon from Afghanistan traveled and then lived in Hyderabad and UP in 19th and 20th century.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Recorded history is just an opinion.
No one has mastered carbon dating till now.

But yes as contiguous continuous society Chinese have the lead. Even though the 4000 bce is still a very debatable timeframe

The established years are supported by archaeology and various other means to determine the dates. Recorded history is only 1 of them. Traditionally, China has a lacklustere oral tradition whereby history is passed down from mouth to mouth(like Indian civillization). Instead, the vast majority of its history was recorded by writing.

There is nothing debatable, which is why i've stated the differences between the Chinese and Western perspective, which is either 4087 years old(Chinese) or 3617 years old(Western)

and BTW, Sumerian civ. is the world's Oldest civ.- not Indus. The Fertile Cresent is where humans first started living in fixed, reinforced structures. google this yourself.

 

[Suriya]

P.S. India is a successor state of the British Raj, before that, it also didn't exist.

You see you call us Bharati as we are from the country called Bharat Varsh.
You Know the name Bharat comes from actual/mythical King Bharat who was the ruler of Bharat Varsh some 5000 years ago as said in the great Hindu epic of Mahabharat .

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Anyways i like your desperate attempt to connect your kind with us keep trying,

Nice one. Now push the him back into the Ganga ...

* Ganga flows east. Indus flows south. And never the two shall meet.

 

[El Sidd]

The established years are supported by archaeology and various other means to determine the dates. Recorded history is only 1 of them. China has a lackluster oral tradition whereby history is passed down from mouth to mouth(like Indian civillization).

There is nothing debatable, which is why i've stated the differences between the Chinese and Western perspective, which is either 4087 years old(Chinese) or 3617 years old(Western)

I will believe it when they explain the pyramids through the accepted science.

I am not debating. I am expressing my opinion

 

[Peshwa]

Do you have any idea what happened to this:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...indian-town-unlock-mystery-indus-civilisation

And yeah I have always held the belief that North-Western people of India are closely related to Eastern Pakistanis (Punjabis, Sindhis etc). And I definitely do not have an issue if these people claim a shared history, the only thing that irks is being told by an East or South Indian that I have no right on the history of my land while they do, even though it is them that are more likely to have nothing to do with the history of Western Pakistani Punjab for example.

Sorry but haven't followed the Rakhigarhi excavations much, but will now!

As far as your second part of the post is concerned. No doubt. It is your history and you should be proud of it! But it is also a shared history. So cant be monopolized either. Which is what many Pakistanis on PDF tend to do...which obviously will irk the Indians right back to the point of saying some nonsensical things to strip Pakistanis of this shared history.
I mean you have bigots like Kaptaan, Django and Pakistan Forever using terms like Gangalanders and Gangus to refer to ALL Indians. Don't you think that plays into a lot of the reactions you see from Indians? I think its a general attitude problem here.
Shared history and commonalities can help us solve our issues, But instead we use them to fuel our differences.

I am less likely to kill or hurt someone I know and have something in common with. But the growing trend of Pakistanis on PDF is to create some imaginary "Pakistani race" which in their mind is something so unique and different from India, when it really is not. But the more artificial barriers such as race that we create, the less likelihood of us ever finding peace. Hopefully this is an internet only phenomenon because Pakistanis who I grew up with in my teens and twenties never shared such jaundiced thoughts.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I am not debating. I am expressing my opinion

I am apt to agree with our Singaporan friend. He who speaks as it is - that Indus > Pakistan should get our support.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

I will believe it when they explain the pyramids through the accepted science.

I am not debating. I am expressing my opinion

u said:

But yes as contiguous continuous society Chinese have the lead. Even though the 4000 bce is still a very debatable timeframe

my post was in response to this.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

When did I ever stop, but to say that only 5% of Indians have anything in common with Pakistanis is wrong. Because there are 5% Pakistani Muhajirs who have a lot in common with 50% of the Indians.

What about the other 95%?

As time goes on, that connection with india will greatly diminish especially as Pakistan's future is now intertwinned with that of Turkey & China and as Pakistan becomes more connected to those nations to the West of us of whom we share the most in common with.