Is America the greatest country in the world?

[Dubious]

A simple fact is , war is a deception in which every tactic from torture, rape and loot happens !!

War is.

It is like kill or get yourself killed, it is difficult to stay and hold on to moral values for any person , there are people though but may be not all times !!

Yet Islam does teach us to hold moral values (I have posted this on 1 too many threads why not another):

And if anyone of the Mushrikun (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) seeks your protection then grant him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allah (the Qur'an), and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not. (Quran 9:6)

- This verse was for the context of war...Not only does it state not harm the person seeking protection (meaning not harming you DURING A WAR) but escort him to a safe position....

 

[Dubious]

who cares, people will talk its upto us to ignore all the crap cz its not wise to reply when you see ignorance
cz even their is a hadith when you see ignorance just walk away bcz if you will discuss something with them instead of giving sane answer they will become ur enemy

I try to utilize this platform to show the hypocrisy hidden and shown without shame!

Where media has failed to show truth I try my best to kill misunderstandings...that is all

 

[Chak Bamu]

People like to have prejudices. It is natural. Some of these turn out to have unintended consequences.

USA is a great country, no doubt. It just fails to act accordingly. Just look at how USA deals with Iran.

Great country, but with vastly compromised foreign policy that is continually being twisted against USA's national interest by powerful lobbies.

 

[Dubious]

lobbies

I have no idea why I read that as idiots...and had to re-read coz I dont think @Chak Bamu would have written Idiots there

 

[VCheng]

People like to have prejudices. It is natural. Some of these turn out to have unintended consequences.

USA is a great country, no doubt. It just fails to act accordingly. Just look at how USA deals with Iran.

Great country, but with vastly compromised foreign policy that is continually being twisted against USA's national interest by powerful lobbies.

Sir, just how does one define a "compromised foreign policy" for a global, and only, superpower. Using Iran as an example that you gave, may be there are a thousand and one other complications that go into the formulation of the policy. Similarly with Pakistan, US policies are exceedingly complex, not because the government is made up of fools or juice, but because international geopolitics on a global scale are very complex. Overall, I would say that USA as a global superpower is acting far, far, far better than any other in human history thus far. Hating it for a focal point like Israel or Salala is simply too naive.

 

[Joeblow]

I did to the fundaments! Without which no laptop would have been designed! And both Greeks and Muslims were way ahead of their times when Europe was still learning to not die from plague and how to use a soap....Had the Greeks and Muslims not done back then your laptop tech wouldnt have been made....Again:

Since you're now giving credit to Muslims for the accomplishments of individuals who happened to be Muslim, shouldn't you then take responsibility for the actions of Bin Ladin or Al-Baghdadi? You've spent the entire week arguing that the actions of a few individuals should not be used to judge Islam and yet when it comes to claiming credit for the good things, here you are, front and center. How does that work?

Oh the way, plague came from Central Asia. The Romans had built one of the greatest civilizations the world has ever seen BEFORE Islam originated. Persia, Mesopotamia, Syria, Egypt, Jerusalem were centers of civilization BEFORE Islam. The subcontinent had wealth, learning, architecture BEFORE Islam. Islam didn't contribute to rise of these people. In fact, if I was less charitable, I might be tempted to point out that rise of Islam probably set them back a couple of hundred years.

Problem is, you have a false sense of superiority based on just being a Muslim. As long as that exists, you'll always be countering arguments with individual achievements from a 1000 years ago.

 

[Jaanbaz]

Nope The Romans did more for the good of humanity then USA.

 

[Dubious]

Since you're now giving credit to Muslims for the accomplishments of individuals who happened to be Muslim, shouldn't you then take responsibility for the actions of Bin Ladin or Al-Baghdadi?

If they followed Islam then maybe we would have...When they dont why should we?

You've spent the entire week arguing that the actions of a few individuals should not be used to judge Islam and yet when it comes to claiming credit for the good things, here you are, front and center. How does that work?

I am not front nor center in taking credit...I also somewhere in this very thread have quoted that is how it is shown by media...Muslim scientists (same media you people absorb as written in stone, so shouldnt that apply here too?)

Or how does it work?

Oh the way, plague came from Central Asia. The Romans had built one of the greatest civilizations the world has ever seen BEFORE Islam originated.

No one doubts it...Though people here on this very thread are attributing the greatest to America...

Persia, Mesopotamia, Syria, Egypt, Jerusalem were centers of civilization BEFORE Islam.

I actually did bring in Persia into this very thread....The rest slipped my mind but yes to all...though I am not sure of Jerusalem (but I believe so coz I have read few pieces here and there (Tales of King David I believe so) but not in the names of the greatest but I will agree anyway...)

The subcontinent had wealth, learning, architecture BEFORE Islam.

Yes it did...Indus valley Civilization, Yellow river, Yangtze River, other dynasties in China and Japan are admirable...No doubt...no one is/ can take that away from them!

Islam didn't contribute to rise of these people. In fact, if I was less charitable, I might be tempted to point out that rise of Islam probably set them back a couple of hundred years.

You see that is the problem there...History doesnt come from you...No matter how much you deny there are more than enough PDF Indian warriors here to bring in Moghul into everything from a sneeze in Pakistan to LOC firing....that is how much it has effected you guys!

That is me being sarcastic but with a touch of truth of course!

Denying Moghuls did anything for India is denying the existence of a whole chunk of Indian history...your choice though!

Problem is, you have a false sense of superiority based on just being a Muslim

I never implied superiority on anything...Fundamentals are important in everything...Why isnt respect shown where it is due?

As long as that exists, you'll always be countering arguments with individual achievements from a 1000 years ago.

I never counted those but the argument that brought it in was that Muslims NEVER achieved anything...that brought in past and present so the argument I put in was to kill of the never!

 

[usernameless]

US the greatest country? what good is it if i probably wont feel at home there anyway.

 

[Chak Bamu]

Sir, just how does one define a "compromised foreign policy" for a global, and only, superpower. Using Iran as an example that you gave, may be there are a thousand and one other complications that go into the formulation of the policy. Similarly with Pakistan, US policies are exceedingly complex, not because the government is made up of fools or juice, but because international geopolitics on a global scale are very complex. Overall, I would say that USA as a global superpower is acting far, far, far better than any other in human history thus far. Hating it for a focal point like Israel or Salala is simply too naive.

Nice excuses sir. Though I am tempted to chip in further, I do not have time for a lengthy discussion. If you were educated in USA, you would know that no Political Science course is free of serious discussion of impact of lobbies on US govt policies. AIPAC has done more damage to US national interest in sphere of foreign policy than any other group.

USA's conduct with Iran is shameful to say the least. Iranians were wrong in what they did to staff of US Embassy in Tehran and Iranian government should not have allowed that. But one needs to see what happened to Dr. Mossadaq to see why USA was so hated. I can not blame Iranians for being so anti-US; the trouble was with US policy (or lack thereof) to begin with. I just have to disagree with your complexities argument. It does not hold in case of either Israel, or Iran.

Later....

 

[VCheng]

Nice excuses sir. Though I am tempted to chip in further, I do not have time for a lengthy discussion. If you were educated in USA, you would know that no Political Science course is free of serious discussion of impact of lobbies on US govt policies. AIPAC has done more damage to US national interest in sphere of foreign policy than any other group.

USA's conduct with Iran is shameful to say the least. Iranians were wrong in what they did to staff of US Embassy in Tehran and Iranian government should not have allowed that. But one needs to see what happened to Dr. Mossadaq to see why USA was so hated. I can not blame Iranians for being so anti-US; the trouble was with US policy (or lack thereof) to begin with. I just have to disagree with your complexities argument. It does not hold in case of either Israel, or Iran.

Later....

Sure, later. Blaming lobbies is just another excuse to drum up irrational hatred and does not work either.

 

[SQ8]

Ah, the newsroom. One of my favorites...currently at season 3. Hard hitting and well acted.

America is NOT the greatest country in the world.. it used to be. The greatest country in the world is measured by how well it is to its citizens and the rest of the world. America is not at the top of the list.. but its not at the bottom either.

But what America is , is the only country in the world that can easily retake the greatest country in the world spot if run correctly. No other nation or peoples have that potential in them as of 15/11/2014

 

[FaujHistorian]

Esp to
@Syed.Ali.Haider please pop one of them beta blockers before you press play dont want you ending up in the hospital

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=485015298234731

Rest of you who keep preaching the first thing to do is recognize the problem...Well lets welcome recognition!

What is it?

section of a hollywood movie?

Akheilos I expect you would add the true source of this info.


Also, not good on your part to just post one little thing.

If you don't like America, fine.

Then say which country is greatest and why.


Time to emphasize positives instead of doing this $tupid shit shoveling.

thank you

 

[VCheng]

Ah, the newsroom. One of my favorites...currently at season 3. Hard hitting and well acted.

America is NOT the greatest country in the world.. it used to be. The greatest country in the world is measured by how well it is to its citizens and the rest of the world. America is not at the top of the list.. but its not at the bottom either.

But what America is , is the only country in the world that can easily retake the greatest country in the world spot if run correctly. No other nation or peoples have that potential in them as of 15/11/2014

But how does one define the "correct" way to run such a huge and complex country? It is not an easy task, and must be continuously revised in response to many changes, some of them cyclic, and some of them not. It cannot be unanimous as to what the correct way is at any given point in time.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Ah, the newsroom. One of my favorites...currently at season 3. Hard hitting and well acted.

America is NOT the greatest country in the world.. it used to be. The greatest country in the world is measured by how well it is to its citizens and the rest of the world. America is not at the top of the list.. but its not at the bottom either.

But what America is , is the only country in the world that can easily retake the greatest country in the world spot if run correctly. No other nation or peoples have that potential in them as of 15/11/2014

you mean 11/15/2015. hahahah


Look bhai Jaaan

These type of debates are kind of useless because they tend to highlight few things to match a pov and ignore the other aspects.


When people compare countries, they must first do the following.

------------ Total population
------------ yearly budget

------------ Yearly budget spending/citizen

------------ Source(s) of that spending/citizen (kind of pie chart).

------------ Driving philosophy of the country. (toughest point in this list but very important).



peace