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The F-14 could detect and take out any plane in your arsenal whilst being out of reach of any planes in your possession. Iran has developed a upgraded phoenix called fakhur. Second, your so called statement about uneasing failure of pheonix is trash created by you it seem. You need to research the success of phoenix in Iran-Iraq war.
Secondly,you think Iran is not upgrading it's plane and only Pakistan is?

No, Pakistan does not make JF-17. Prove me otherwise. How many have you manufactured inside?
You don't have the capability to make engines , radars etc etc.
At best all you can do is put it together in your country after China has given you all the parts. You live in a fantasy it seems.

Visit KAMRA thread check out how much of JF-17 is manufactured in house. We buy the engines from Russia, subsystems all over the world. In the end our package works and works good. Has flown in multiples airshows around the world. 10000 trouble free flight hours. It would be better suited to you had you made some real jets, not modify tails of F-5s.

F-16 has the ability to light up enemy's radar lock and counter it with it's ECW and ECCW pods/modules. So it not as simple as getting a lock on F-14s. US had a history of failures on the Phoenix and the latest version they had till 2006 i believe improved marginally. Phoenix is still a flatter trajectory missile, not much for maneuverability. Just read up on American forums with actual former F-14 pilots giving their input. It is easier to out maneuver that missile. Good luck with the AIM 120.

The reason we take solace in F-16 is though it may not have a bigger radar but it is has plenty trick up it's sleeves. F-16s work in conjunction with AWACS which my dear friend would point your planes out the moment they leave air bases. If we make India vary of us with their Su 30s which are real monsters then i believe F-14s are not much of a worry.

You still cannot counter my claims with data, just what you hear in Iranian news ( qaher, "5th" Gen ERA, etc etc ) and then comes your sentiments and childish antics, there is a reason why no one takes you guys seriously.

I'm out.

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Different countries, different military objectives, different procurement policies, different political conditions. Simple as that.
 
IRIAF BVRAAM capabilities :

these missiles can be carried by iranian F-14s , Mig-29s , F-4s , Mirage F-1 and Saeghe


1- AIM-54 A Phoenix : Long-range air-launched air intercept missile

Hughes Aircraft Company and Raytheon Corporation

Unit cost: About $477,000, but this varied greatly, especially as the years went by

Range: over 100 nautical miles (about 250km)

Speed: 3,000+ mph (4,680+ km/h)

Guidance system: Semi-active and active radar homing

Users: US (U.S. Navy), Iran (IRIAF)

technical drawing of AIM-54 A :

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Iranian F-14A firing Phoenix during Iran-iraq war :

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2- AIM-54 A+ FAKOUR :

Heavily upgraded Phoenix : possibly longer range , Higher EW resistance

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3- R-27ER (AA-10 Alamo-C) :

semi-active-radar homing extended-range version. Missile can be used at 20 to 27000 meters altitude. Effective kill range for a target at same altitude: 2 to 65.5 km head-on, 0.7 to 16.5 km tail-on. Missile cannot be fired at altitude less than 3 km againist a target with background earth, if launch range is less than 6 kilometers. Maximum range: 117 km. Maximum allowed vertical separation: 12 k

east germen Mig-29 firing Alamo-A :

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4- AIM-23C Sejil : indigenous BVRAAM developed by jahad-e-khodkafai :

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the range is estimated between 80-90 kms . Peace ;)



5- AIM-7 Sparrow : while being replaced by AIM-120 in US , iran keeps its AIM-7s shining my domestic upgrades .

AIM-7 Sparrow - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Range : 45 kms Speed : Mach 4


6- Fatter : Upgraded iranian Sidewinder with a Range of 40kms

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LAST , but not least !!!

Maghsoud !!

indigenous missile with a range of 300km+ in which is going to be unveiled in 2014 !

ایسنا - Iran building new air-to-air missiles

 
You guys answer my question!
Why are you comparing IRIAF with PAF?!!!!
Iran has no serious problem with Pakistan. you have to compare PAF with the IAF( Devanāgarī: भारतीय वायु सेना, Bharatiya Vāyu Senā).
 
You guys answer my question!
Why are you comparing IRIAF with PAF?!!!!
Iran has no serious problem with Pakistan. you have to compare PAF with the IAF( Devanāgarī: भारतीय वायु सेना, Bharatiya Vāyu Senā).

The thread was started by an Iranian bro. Probably, just a friendly comparison.
 
It's a comlicated comparison. Let's look at the history of IRAF.

During Shah's time, IRAF could have gone toe to toe with any Air Force in the world. They had the best equipment, they had the best pilots and they had a strong economy and population to back it.

Come Iran revolution, a lot of experienced Air Force pilots either go into exile, or are purged and killed due to fears of a military coup. A good pilot in an average plane will always beat an average pilot in a good plane, at least that's what most air force experts seem to think. I believe the purge was stupid and ruined the professional military's capabilities. That said, I do think Iran revolution was the right way for the Irani people. Putting up with a tyrant just because he was cozy with the west is not a smart choice.

Now what about the current capabilities? Most people think that IRAF has become weakened after the Iran revolution. Meaning if IRAF of 70's went against IRAF of today, the 70's IRAF will win. I think that is naive and arrogant. Western equipment is not some supernatural technology that no one can replace or replicate. First you need to ask, what the hell is so advanced about those 70's planes today? Mind you, 40 years have passed. Do you know what 40 years means in today's world? It is very condescending to think that Iran will not have surpassed the 70's technology even after 40 years.

As for combat experience, they most certainly do have combat experience, and a significant amount of it from the 1980's conflict with Iraq. And I think they performed on par with Iraqi Air Force, as neither achieved complete air superiority over the other through out the conflict.

That aside, i do think that the RATE of technological improvement has most certainly slowed considerably due to the sanctions and lack of military technology transfer. If 70's IRAF was given a score of 100, Modern IRAF will have a score of 130, whereas without the sanctions, it would have had a score of 220 or in the whereabouts.

With that insight, let's go into the comparison.

Firstly, what do you mean by PAF vs IRAF? Do you mean a total war? Do you mean simply destroying each others planes? Do you mean destroying each others planes, airbases and radars stations to achieve air superiority over the opponent? I think I will go with the latter, as that makes the most sense.

Let's look at the numbers first, we will use Global Firepower - 2015 World Military Strength Rankings as reference.

--------------------------PAF--------------------------------IRAF

Total aircraft------- 914----------------------------------471

Fighters---------------387---------------------------------119

Trainers---------------170---------------------------------78

Transport------------278----------------------------------196

Serviceable---------151----------------------------------319
AIrports

Helicopters----------313----------------------------------123
Atk Helicopters-----48-----------------------------------12

Numbers wise, PAF does have an advantage. PAF has three times the numbers of fighters as IRAF. But numbers aren't everything.

Technologically, PAF has several AWACS, Block 52 F-16's, the latest AMRAAMs, and the crown jewel Ra'ad, Which is an Air-Launched Cruise missile with a range of 350 kms, perfect against Stand-off strikes on Radar stations.

Iran too has improved on it's capabilities. It has reverse engineered the Phoenix missiles and the HAWK SAMs. But Phoenix BVR missiles were originally made to be used against slow moving Soviet Nuclear bombers, it's capabilities against maneuverable fighters is questionable whereas AMRAAMS are deadly at BVR.

As for AWACs, Iran does not have any AWACs planes, but during the Iran-Iraq war it did use its F-14's as mini-AWACs. Meaning they were used to detect incoming enemy aircraft from long range and then directing other aircraft towards them. So they do have some AWACs capability.

They don't have any long range Stand Off weapons for their air force. They do have some land based very long range cruise missiles but the OP asked us to exclude surface to surface missiles.

PAF has in its inventory several laser guided munitions for accurate airstrikes, IRAF has no such capability that i know of. PAF can carry out night time strikes, but that capability is limited to F-16 Block 52's for now so its very limited. Iran has no such capability.

Now lets discuss training. As you can see the numbers, Pakistan has a much larger number of trainers than Iran. That means PAF can train more crew, in a shorter period of time compared to Iran. Pakistan also manufactures it's own trainers, so that is another advantage.

That said, it doesn't change the quality of training. And quality comes with experience. PAF trains regularly with China, KSA, UK, USA and Turkey. It also takes part in European exercises from time to time. So it is safe to assume PAF knows modern combat tactics head to tail. As for IRAF, although they don't take part in multi-national exercises like Pakistan, they do carry out very large exercises within their country. Both improve training of the pilots, but i am inclined to believe practising against different aircraft from different air forces is more beneficial.

The biggest advantage that Iran has over Pakistan is that Iran is much larger geographically. That means, PAF will have to travel longer distances to strike Air Bases. That also means Pakistani air bases will be very exposed. They will have very little time to react when IRAF carries out an airstrike.

To negate this PAF does have air-to-air refueling. That means Pakistan will be able to have aircraft airborne for longer periods of time. That will help immensely and is a force multiplier when it comes to defending your Air bases. But you cannot carry out air-to-air refueling over enemy territory. Not unless you have complete control of enemy skies. So PAF will have a lot of trouble reach western bases in Iran.

But tables can be turned the other way round. Being larger means Iran has a much larger area to defend. Does Iran have sufficient SAMs to defend each and every air base? PAF is very likely to find holes in their defence through which it can poke. Pakistan is smaller so that means Pakistan has a smaller airspace to protect, fewer SAMs needed. And with a larger number of aircraft, Pakistan will have an extremely concentrated Airspace, It will be very hard to operate in for IRAF.

Another disadvantage of Iran's geography is mountains. Yes, Iran is more mountainous than Pakistan, especially the border regions. What this means is that PAF will be able to fly in the cover of those mountains and remain undetected by radar. To counter that you need to build Radars at the great heights. Still then, careful planners will be able to find holes in their coverage. The best counter to mountainous areas is to operate AWACS, as they negate the weakness of radar coverage, but Iran is limited in that area. Most of Pakistan's airbases are located in plains. Although the Balochistan area is very mountainous, PAF's AWACs will prove crucial there.

Another problem with Radars is that you have to defend them. PAF has a larger number of stand-off weapons. A single Ra'ad fired from 350km away can do significant damage to a radar station if not completely destroy it. PAF also manufactions its own Glide bombs, which have ranges from 60km to 120km, that is another havoc for IRAF.

Iran also has a larger number of airbases/airports. That means PAF has many more targets whereas IRAF has fewer targets to destroy. So that is also a big advantage.

Considering all this information that i have gathered and pondered upon, I think PAF enjoys a significant and decisive advantage over IRAF. IRAF will be able to operate aircraft from its western bases for a very long period of time, but as it loses control of skies over eastern areas, you can expect PAF to carry out more and more daring airstrikes with the use of Aerial Refueling and Stand Off weapons.
 
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You guys answer my question!
Why are you comparing IRIAF with PAF?!!!!
Iran has no serious problem with Pakistan. you have to compare PAF with the IAF( Devanāgarī: भारतीय वायु सेना, Bharatiya Vāyu Senā).

I agree that we should not compare the two forces as Pakistan and Iran are two brotherly countries. I hope we work together for the betterment of the region and collaborate in the field of modern sciences and come up joint products which help our people.
 
PAF has in its inventory several laser guided munitions for accurate airstrikes, IRAF has no such capability that i know of. PAF can carry out night time strikes, but that capability is limited to F-16 Block 52's for now so its very limited. Iran has no such capability.

Wrong info buddy, other than Block 52's, all the F-16's have MLU upgrades, Mirages have ROSE upgrades and JF-17's...all these can do night time strikes, its not limited to block 52's.
 
Wrong info buddy, other than Block 52's, all the F-16's have MLU upgrades, Mirages have ROSE upgrades and JF-17's...all these can do night time strikes, its not limited to block 52's.
Night time operations is everything done during the night and night time air strikes is just air strikes conducting during the night. According to an interview with PAF chief, PAF did not have the ability to carry out air strikes with laser guided munitions at night time except for recent block 52's. The MLU F-16's may or may not have the capability, so i'll give you the benefit of doubt.
 
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